Hong Kong bus discussions
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I'm attempting to revive the former thread that was started by our forum mod ZYX2005 here. This thread is started for any form of discussion of Hong Kong buses, photos, videos, news etc.
It would be great if this thread can be kept alive and not rot to expiry because lots of overseas buses discussion threads, not just threads for hk buses, in this forum have been already expired.
Anyway, here's a photo from me to start the ball rolling -
3 non-franchised Citybus Leyland Olympians in City One Shatin B/T
The new law from the Hong Kong (ref:here) states that all commercial vehicles below the Euro 3 emissions must be retired before 2020, including vans, minibuses and non-franchised buses. Pre-Euro emission standard vehicles are to be deregistered before 1st Jan 2016, hence affecting most, if not the whole fleet of Citybus non-franchised buses. There goes these Leylands..... :/
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Hello.
Before I move on, welcome back to SGF.
Unfortunately, I don't find this thread really necessary. I mean, not much here would discuss on HK buses what. Otherwise why did the earlier thread die so quickly? The users that come in these years only talk more on SG buses.
And besides, why HK only? What makes HK so special it needs a dedicated thread? I mean, I used to be a resident in HK, but wouldn't the scope be wider if the thread was made just overseas instead?
And BTW, a thread that was renamed to overseas bus discussion thread (used to be HK discussion thread) also died lol.
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hmm thanks
Good question, now that I wonder as well. No sustainability la, many of us moved on to facebook for quicker and easier discussion since social media is so powerful. And to the other question, Hong Kong has much similarities when you compare the public transport system efficiency and the scale. Plus I went there recently so ya lor.
If the mods find it better to change this thread name for a wider scope, please, go ahead. I would love to see more discussion about overseas buses as well since the amount of "proper" content has decreased by the years.
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Originally posted by SBS1897Z:
hmm thanks
Good question, now that I wonder as well. No sustainability la, many of us moved on to facebook for quicker and easier discussion since social media is so powerful. And to the other question, Hong Kong has much similarities when you compare the public transport system efficiency and the scale. Plus I went there recently so ya lor.If the mods find it better to change this thread name for a wider scope, please, go ahead. I would love to see more discussion about overseas buses as well since the amount of "proper" content has decreased by the years.
Comparing SG to HK transport?
Hmmm...
Are you sure is "much similarities"?
Even London PT is closer to SG than HK.
I'll leave it to you to think :)
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Uh, at least that's what I think. lol.
another one from me -
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IMHO this thread should remain, as there are still some other bus enthusiasts into not just SG buses but other countries too. HK buses are relatively more interesting than SG, and there can be contribution from other countries in this thread too.
This thread is necessary, just that need to be renamed.
Cheers.
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Why nobody want to talk about North Korea public transport.
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Originally posted by SBS1897Z:
I'm attempting to revive the former thread that was started by our forum mod ZYX2005 here. This thread is started for any form of discussion of Hong Kong buses, photos, videos, news etc.
It would be great if this thread can be kept alive and not rot to expiry because lots of overseas buses discussion threads, not just threads for hk buses, in this forum have been already expired.
Anyway, here's a photo from me to start the ball rolling -
3 non-franchised Citybus Leyland Olympians in City One Shatin B/T
The new law from the Hong Kong (ref:here) states that all commercial vehicles below the Euro 3 emissions must be retired before 2020, including vans, minibuses and non-franchised buses. Pre-Euro emission standard vehicles are to be deregistered before 1st Jan 2016, hence affecting most, if not the whole fleet of Citybus non-franchised buses. There goes these Leylands..... :/
Thanks for the heads up. Wouldn't know about this if this thread wasn't up.
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Originally posted by SBS1897Z:
The new law from the Hong Kong (ref:here) states that all commercial vehicles below the Euro 3 emissions must be retired before 2020, including vans, minibuses and non-franchised buses. Pre-Euro emission standard vehicles are to be deregistered before 1st Jan 2016, hence affecting most, if not the whole fleet of Citybus non-franchised buses. There goes these Leylands..... :/
interesting. how i wish sg is half as strict as HK to cut down air pollution caused by vehicles. the statutory lifespan of private vehicles of 20yrs is way too long. lots of pollution are caused by these vehicles. i pity those living next to the main roads as this is long term health threat. same as inhaling 2nd hand cigarette smoke. btw does HK have any cng or diesel-electric vehicles to cut air pollution? i still believe cng vehicles are much cleaner than Euro 6 vehicles. i wish technology can develop economical and much cleaner vehicles soonest possible. -
Originally posted by SMB128B:
Comparing SG to HK transport?
Hmmm...
Are you sure is "much similarities"?
Even London PT is closer to SG than HK.
I'll leave it to you to think :)
i find HK bus service level better than sg. as majority are double-decks hence more chance to get a seat. but bus fares there seem much higher compared to sg. no transfer rebate. and fares are not distance based. if sway sway bus start from terminal and its a long route, u end up paying max fare for just a short ride. and i love the cross harbour old double deck ferries. cheap. high frequency and very very convenient and can avoid cross harbour tunnel traffic jam. -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
Originally posted by SMB128B: Comparing SG to HK transport? Hmmm Are you sure is "much similarities"? Even ...
I'm sorry? I can't read your comment.
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Originally posted by SBS7777Y:
Why nobody want to talk about North Korea public transport.
We just do a thread on what we want to post on this forum. If you want to post about this, why not create a new topic about this?
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
i find HK bus service level better than sg. as majority are double-decks hence more chance to get a seat. but bus fares there seem much higher compared to sg. no transfer rebate. and fares are not distance based. if sway sway bus start from terminal and its a long route, u end up paying max fare for just a short ride. and i love the cross harbour old double deck ferries. cheap. high frequency and very very convenient and can avoid cross harbour tunnel traffic jam.Uh uh.
I agree on your opinion on HK buses better than SG in overall, but your reasons has a reason behind it.
Why HK buses more double decks? Why HK buses no distance fares?
Again, it's the TRAVELLING PATTERN.
As a person who once reside in HK, I can frankly tell you, nobody will take a trunk svc like a feeder bus, which is what happens in SG. In SG, most travel short distance to connect and transfer, and thus there's a high turnover rate, making mass DD fleet further less encouraged. And this is also why SG has distance fares while HK has not. In HK, when a trunk goes from A to B, those who board at A will naturally alight somewhere near or at B. Since its long haul, DDs are brought in in large numbers so ppl can sit the ride (which is what they want), during the non stop sectors too. In SG ppl take trunks as feeders So they need distance fares to prevent ppl from going bankrupt, and also less DDs so that the buses won't take forever to unload.
This is also due to the way they set the routes. In HK more than half of the public housing estates has a dedicated terminus with trunks that plies to either CBD or major town centres (eg JE, BNL and TAM), while SG has feeders connecting all the housing estates to the town centre and then the trunks there will take the ppl to other places. And in HK, every railway station has its own bus terminus, and so they don't need trunks to do big rounds in other suburban towns. IMO HK system is so much better than SG. Point to point instead of big round before going to city or other places.
So, yeah. Still think HK bus is better though bus fares there are rising like crazy...
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Originally posted by SBS7777Y:
Why nobody want to talk about North Korea public transport.
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why nobody say Hong Kong bus fans == Singapore bus fans -
KMB just bought their BYD bus for trial,
Tfl has 2 BYD buses for trial, one on rt.507...
HAS uses electric./hybrid vehicles(cars) in the airport...
Hybrid, electric, CNG taxis are in HK... -
Converted CNG for public transport use is a bad idea for long term.It will wear off your engine head blocks quickly
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Converted CNG for public transport use is a bad idea for long term.It will wear off your engine head blocks quickly
But EUROPEAN, AMERICAN PTOs using CNG for most of their fleet...
Also SG has not catch up on using Hybrid, CDGE has hydrid buses in UK -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
But EUROPEAN, AMERICAN PTOs using CNG for most of their fleet...
Also SG has not catch up on using Hybrid, CDGE has hydrid buses in UKTheir buses lifespan is not as long, MTA's first CNG buses (1999 Orion V CNG) will be retired this year.
Even Malaysia is using CNG buses. Singapore is sure lagging behind. Hybrid is a good choice, but it is quite expensive, even for a china made hybrid.
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Their buses lifespan is not as long, MTA's first CNG buses (1999 Orion V CNG) will be retired this year.
Even Malaysia is using CNG buses. Singapore is sure lagging behind. Hybrid is a good choice, but it is quite expensive, even for a china made hybrid.
Volvo has hybrid engines
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Volvo has hybrid engines
Yeah, but it is much more expensive than china makes (which is already expensive).
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besides the 12 cng buses in sg; some taxis and cars began using cng then suddenly govt put a brake...
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
Yeah, but it is much more expensive than china makes (which is already expensive).
Not really.
Taking into account lifespan and the entire mainteinance package, Volvo's is actually quite possibly competitively priced.
In fact there isnt such a thing as a "hybrid engine". The bus is powered by the combination of an electric motor and the traditional combustion engine.
If I am not mistaken, the Sunlong's combustion engine is from Cummins. The electric motor system is from Eaton.
So what "China make" are you talking about actually when the systems are from USA?
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
KMB just bought their BYD bus for trial,
Tfl has 2 BYD buses for trial, one on rt.507...
HAS uses electric./hybrid vehicles(cars) in the airport...
Hybrid, electric, CNG taxis are in HK...1. KMB's BYD trial has ended. The bus was returned to the dealer and no further trial or purchase to be made.
2. Technology has come to the point where diesel buses can match or exceed CNG buses when it comes to emission standards.