Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:I will not hold back any words for fools who think the ship doesn't need any close in weapons system like RAM. So yes, tehy are cheap and unexceptional. Nothing to them. They are merely good for what they do vis a' vis our neighbours. I will be more impressed if we bought the Aegis system, and not something fostered upon us by the French.
And no, high waves have always been bad for ship RCS because radio waves reflect off water.
There has been a few school of thoughts on ship bourne defense.
What the purpose of close in weapons system ? - purpose is to protect the ship from missiles. Ensure the ship don't get hit = mission achived.
1)RAM and other CIWS weapon - they must some how hit a fast and small incoming missile, without hitting other friendly ships around.
2)Singapore navy frigate - base on Decoy, jamming - lead the missile away from the ship causing it to miss.
I guess what type of environment and role the ship is going to operate in - will dicate what type of system install best.
Composites for navy ship ?
Think a lot of Navy is looking into it even US navy.
Question is do we really want to rush into it ?
An article i read recently from an expert that compare composite and steel for navy vessel. Composite does sound great. One point uncertainty that the expert hint is - minor impact damage or battle damage repair.
In his words, if you get banged !! for steel, you can take a hammer and hammer back, welding !!! But for composite ? Don't think you have that repair flexibility as steel, it be more costly, and longer repair time needed, you most likely have to change the whole section piece. Also question on the time you need to refabricate that section piece.
Till Navies have better experiences in it, I think for a small navy like us, it is still more economical and safer to stick with steel for the time being.
what is the maintenance cost?
That darn Shark corvette sure looks like a LCS-lite.
Originally posted by LazerLordz:That darn Shark corvette sure looks like a LCS-lite.
are u sure?
SG 2 sharks look stealth,but not LCS.
the 'Tiger Shark', a future frigate design, and the 'Blue Shark', a future corvette design.''
u can read more abt LCS here.
So many odds and evens on main deck!
look at the observation platform and black marks,possible exhausts
and few ''openings''.Can they reduce RCS or achieve low observability?
Why USN Littoral Combat Ship Freedom looks not so stealth? last
Originally posted by lionnoisy:are u sure?
SG 2 sharks look stealth,but not LCS.
the 'Tiger Shark', a future frigate design, and the 'Blue Shark', a future corvette design.''
u can read more abt LCS here.
So many odds and evens on main deck!
look at the observation platform and black marks,possible exhausts
and few ''openings''.Can they reduce RCS or achieve low observability?
Why USN Littoral Combat Ship Freedom looks not so stealth? last
"why not look so stealth"
good qn. when i become like superman with X ray and Radar vision (or daredevil for example) i'd be the first to let you know k lionnoisy ?
ild fly up the skies of changi naval base and use my vision to examine the formidable class and tell you how stealth they are.
why ? cannot accept the fact that the LCS can cruise at 50 knots, perform multiple role functions, and is far more capable than the formidable class ?
i rather have 4 LCS and modularity changes than have 6 formidables. formidable dosent even have a proficient land attack and surface to surface capability.
lionnoisy quite contrary
how does your story grow ?
bits of contempo-rary
lies aplenty
si swa lai, there you go.
Noisy Lion reminds me of this hyperactive kid i used to teach after i ORD-ed. Forever obsessed with the SAF and not *at all concerned about how he cheeses off his teachers and classmates. I came *this close to throwing that kid out the window a couple of times.
Guess we all have to learn.
On a side note, lionnoisy, a plastic model + paper plan of a ship doesn't mean it's ready to build and go.
this is the only one imgae i have seen that 6 Frigate appear in the same photo.
http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jan_Jun/20090505.html
the low RCS or observability can enhance survivability.
http://www.kockums.se/products/products.html
SG frigate may not be as stealth as Visby,but RSN is heading the
right direction.Neither RSN just goes for biggest,nor most advanced,
so to say.RSN just gos for the best she could afford.
or just increase the Advantage Zone in this image.
The RSN purchased 6 ships as the Defense Ministry says was there a frigate?
The Cheng Kung class frigates are based upon the U.S. Oliver Hazard Perry class and are currently serving in the Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy (ROCN). The frigates were produced under license by China Shipbuilding Corporation in Kaohsuing, Taiwan throughout the 1990s as part of the "Kuang Hua 1" project and served as the mainstay of the ROCN's theater air defense prior to the ROCN's acquisition of Keelung (Kidd) class destroyers in 2005.
Plans were made to upgrade the last ship of this class, the Tian Dan to utilize the Aegis combat system, but they were later abandoned due to technical problems and cost.
Originally posted by Uncle4edgar:The RSN purchased 6 ships as the Defense Ministry says was there a frigate?
The Cheng Kung class frigates are based upon the U.S. Oliver Hazard Perry class and are currently serving in the Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy (ROCN). The frigates were produced under license by China Shipbuilding Corporation in Kaohsuing, Taiwan throughout the 1990s as part of the "Kuang Hua 1" project and served as the mainstay of the ROCN's theater air defense prior to the ROCN's acquisition of Keelung (Kidd) class destroyers in 2005.
Plans were made to upgrade the last ship of this class, the Tian Dan to utilize the Aegis combat system, but they were later abandoned due to technical problems and cost.
i dunt understand wat u say.
compare with old and new ships DDG Chung Hoon was deployed in 1991.
http://www.navy.mil/swf/index.asp
2 SG friagtes and one SG LST with
USS CHAFEE (DDG 90)
nice pics
http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/slide_8_315_746.html#p=5