Originally posted by sgstars:+1
this is one of the few right statement u have made so far.
keep it up.
The journey of design and manufacturing/assembly of artillery
was started more than 20 years ago.
FH 88 laid a solid foundation stone .The rest is history.
So,In the past 20 years,from 1988,4 guns rolled out from ST Eng,
in productions and in services!!
All 155 mm,
1988--FH 88
1995--FH 2000
(2002--LWSPH,still under prototype)see below
2003--Primus SSPH(armoured)
2005--Pegasus SLWH
New ST Kinetics 155 mm/39 calibre Light Weight SP Howitzer
U cant get much Details of Pegasus from ST site.
I dunt think it would be worse than FH 2000 which i list in above.
Why all men in all youtubes of M 777 have to use ramming rod to push
the shell into the barrel?But i read there is flick rammer in M 777!!
Why Why Why?Pl tell me first before u do any funny thing!!
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The period of total copy cat is gone.
Now it is the time of copy cat and innovations.
If fact,there are many off the shelf systems that are very useful
to the designed final product.The theme is adaptions and intergrations !!
Dunt waste time to reinvent wheels.We have no time to wait for
Future Weapons!!
Look, for fucking out loud, our FH-88 was based on the Soltam 155mm 39calibre gun. THere is nothing fucking new about it.The FH-2000 had some extra technology but it is not unique.
If anything, the Germans and the S. Africans make better guns than us. And oh, if you really insist on a pissing contest, take a look at this monster:
Guess fucking what, we don't have it, nor do we have to ability to make it.
How to manuver M 777 with 2 wheels and 2 legs?
Emplacement
After it is stopped,the gun has to sit on the ground NOT under control.
Is it true?I watch a video and i find just like that.
From this position,the gun will just sits on the ground.
Then the' legs' would be put down.
In the above(lower) video,the gun just sits down without control!!
Displacement
Just the reverse.One guy have to jump to barrel to let the gun to be hooked
and towed!!
I am suprised in 21 st century,machine is not used in war!!
Obviously you are haemorraghing neurons. Perhaps a trip to the vet is in order, hmm? To be put down like an animal, hmm?
Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Obviously you are haemorraghing neurons. Perhaps a trip to the vet is in order, hmm? To be put down like an animal, hmm?
Does he even have a brain to contain neurons to begin with? He's only interested in his own little world. He refuses to acknowledge ANYTHING others say unless it is twisted to conform to his own petty views. He demands answers yet he hasn't answered for the flaws the others point out. This lion only knows how to swim in the nile (denial).
Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:
Does he even have a brain to contain neurons to begin with? He's only interested in his own little world. He refuses to acknowledge ANYTHING others say unless it is twisted to conform to his own petty views. He demands answers yet he hasn't answered for the flaws the others point out. This lion only knows how to swim in the nile (denial).
omg.. haha the swim in the nile (denial) is possibly the worst joke or pun ive ever heard
dude, try a little harder if you wanna make a pun of him. or you could make a picture. he usually STFU when i post a negative picture and he post on another thread.
Licenscentious
Idiotic
Obfusticating
Noisy
Nutcase
orchestrating
icindenary
Singaporean
Yakkity-Yak
really meh lionnoisy ?
how come singapore no have this ?
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QUEEENE !
YWBNEJWBE !
Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Look, for fucking out loud, our FH-88 was based on the Soltam 155mm 39calibre gun. THere is nothing fucking new about it.The FH-2000 had some extra technology but it is not unique.
If anything, the Germans and the S. Africans make better guns than us. And oh, if you really insist on a pissing contest, take a look at this monster:Guess fucking what, we don't have it, nor do we have to ability to make it.
really based on?nothing new?
if seem u are very familiar of both.can u tell me the basic spec,
weight,WLH etc.I can find weight of FH 88?
Dunt side track.we are talking FH 88 and Soltam M71!!
I have been waiting for more than 24 hours and no one can tell
me if M777(whatever version) do come with flick rammer!!
Pl lah.How can u explain that u can see ramming rod from
every youtube video about M 777.
flick rammer = not important lionnoisy
remember what you said about M777 cannot be airflown ? same thing here. no one gives a shit about whether is it flick rammed or is it auto-loaded or is it hand loaded.
it fires, its reliably and its in service with the US army and the British army. you not happy ? go talk to their procurement officers
remember :
1.60 % of Pegasus is make up of titanium.Pl read below.
2.How much is it cost to instal an engine for loading ammo,shift the gun
for firing and short range movement?How is the technology challenge
if an engine installed?I am wandering why no engine is installed in
M 777 .
3.Pl share here if u find any M 777 comes with flick rammer.Thanks.
below---top-60 % make of titanium.In (engine) power we trust!!
....jjjj
Once M 777 is rested on the ground,it takes time to move it.
It is ok to be used in area where the enemy's longest range weapon
is RPG and biggest powerful weapon is road side IED.
But it is not good to be used in location where your enemy
come with artillery radar and counter fire artillery!!
Reasons
http://www.eme421.com/M777.html
i think the gear for traverse the gun.
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/6_1_1.asp?id=808
I have not seen in 4 spades.How long it take from firing position to
ready to be towed?
many info in this site.
http://www.armchair-travel.com/military/bae.htm
http://www.armchair-travel.com/military/bigscreenM777.jpg
http://www.casr.ca/doc-fms-m777-howitzer.htm
watch videos of Canadian Force news on M777:
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/english/6_5.asp?skeywords=M777
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I find in this video a portable generator on a truck which is most likely for
the comm equipment for receiving firing order.
Then i find a wire links up the comm and the gun!!
Also,u need manually to adjust the elevation of the gun,
and traverse of course!!
Manually to adjust elevation in M 777 in 2008!!
How is Pegasus?I cant find wheels in Pegasus,so far.
New computer system eliminates manpower and error
PETAWAWA, Ontario — Digitized gun management system on M777 howitzer to be sent on missions.
(Video Story)
Friday, October 06, 2006
kk
gentleman, a brief introduction of lionnoisy modius operani
M777 :
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comparing pegasus and M777:
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Did i insult any one here?I just raise questions.Why?Why ?
Too many things puzzle me?Men have to work like a donkey or horse
to shift and arrange the gun in 2008.
u can see here there is no power to arrange the pods.
shift the play here to see 360 degree of the gun!!
http://www.armchair-travel.com/military/M777.mpg
if the gun in high elevation and counter fire is flying on the way
,can u run for your life?
how long it take from this(remember u have to turn the wheels!!)
to this
5 mins?
Erm, wait a minute ...
u are comparing a TOWED HOWITZER with a Lightweight SELF-PROPELLED HOWITZER ...
Why don't u start trying to compare Frigates and Mine-countermeasure Vessels together?? Why, both are ships, aren't they?
ZOMG, stupidity just reached new levels ...
Ok cool down.To be fair,u can also shoot at Pegasus with sensible
data and info.Lets see how SG poor guy do.
With BOQ
The APU (the Auxiliary Power Unit) is a 21 kW Lombardini 9LD625-2 diesel engine that provides power to the two main road wheels located at the front of the carriage, with steering via the two smaller wheels at the rear. Using the APU a maximum road speed of 12 km/h is claimed....EOQ
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/Singapore-Technologies-Kinetics-155-mm-39-calibre-Pegasus-Light-Weight-Howitzer-LWH-Singapore.html
The SG guy can shift the gun to other place without much sweats@!!
Then the driver just drive Pegasus away!!
below :a small engine APU (not so expensive,every one can afford),
can save a lot of sweats and lives!!
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc
come on kids ! lets sing a lionnoisy song !
i dont know what ive been told
lionnoisy's lost control
cant tell between a towed gun
and a self propelled gun
Lionnoisy is so dumb
stupid ranting all the time
hello eh lo eh lo eh lo
any sweat ?
no sweat
lionnoisy bad breath
@gd4u
u havent seen the time he came up with the LCS 1 ship vs a entire fleet scenario. assuming a single LCS fight against a sub and a guided missile frigate. just to "prove" his point that the LCS is underequipped (which was absolute bullshit to begin with)
Originally posted by gd4u:Erm, wait a minute ...
u are comparing a TOWED HOWITZER with a Lightweight SELF-PROPELLED HOWITZER ...
Why don't u start trying to compare Frigates and Mine-countermeasure Vessels together?? Why, both are ships, aren't they?
ZOMG, stupidity just reached new levels ...
Oh Dear,both M 777 and Pegasus are classified under Janes as
Towed anti-tank guns, guns and howitzers.
http://www.janes.com/articles/jaa/towed_anti-tank_guns,_guns_and_howitzers.html
i think i need explain for Janes.Ha ha.
Janes classify under main uses.Pegasus is bascially a towed gun.
SP is just for shoot and scoot or the towing is not feasible.
Eg urban areas,narrow terrain etc.
M 777 is a Pure towed gun.It must be moved by external power.
So,its firing sys to receive firing order is also supported by external power!!
If u watch the Canadian force video,u can imagine:
While few guys is emplace the gun,one or two have to switch
on small generator for the firing order comm equipment
and connect wire to the gun.I find one guy also instal the sight!!
So,when u displace,u have to do all the above again!!
Dunt tell me the isolated sight(at your left) will be in this position
when the gun is travelling!!
So,u have to take the sight down when u displace
and put it back when u emplace!!
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"Top traverse is 400 mils (23°) left and right."@
U have to do your displacement and emplacement if u receive
order outside this range!!Good luck!!That mean,call the truck driver
etc lah....Just to shift few feet!!So again,where is the power!!
May the Force be with u!!
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Compare with Pegasus sight which can stand 90 G,
(at top right hand corner of a photo i posted earlier)!
I dunt think u need to fix and put it down so troublesome!!
no.1 below---Pegasus sight can stand 90 G!!
no 2 below--M 777 sight.U have to take it down!!
no 3 and 4,Pegasus as shown in Airshow,Singapore.
http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc
ref
@http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/BAE-Systems-Land-Systems-155-mm-Lightweight-Howitzer-M777-United-Kingdom.html