but the things she does reali deeper my anger towards her... if she also treasure this friendship, why she ought to do this thing to me? is it Man are selfish? To save itself, willingly to betray their closed ones and even their conscience.Originally posted by oceanic:if e friendship is sth u treasure alot... try to forgive lor
sometimes ppl just fall into temptation n sin and do e wrong stuffs... so best is try to forgive her .. u will feel betterOriginally posted by lv_gal:but the things she does reali deeper my anger towards her... if she also treasure this friendship, why she ought to do this thing to me? is it Man are selfish? To save itself, willingly to betray their closed ones and even their conscience.
So far, I've heard noting but "Forgive & Forget". I've not heard about yours. But what Forgive and Forget REALLY means is that we forgive the person, forget the person's wrong-doings, and then, NEVER dig the past out from your mind again.Originally posted by millennium:Forgive but not forget.
Originally posted by angel911:agree... there's not a forgiveness if u forgive but u dun forget.. u're just carrying the pain and anger with u when u dun forget
So far, I've heard noting but "Forgive & Forget". I've not heard about yours. But what Forgive and Forget REALLY means is that we forgive the person, forget the person's wrong-doings, and then, NEVER dig the past out from your mind again.
[b]This means you forgive the person no matter how serious the offence is.[/b]
Originally posted by lv_gal:well...other ppl got eyes to c,who's gd or bad so if continue 2 spread bad words abt u,u oso cant do naitihing lor...its her mouth wat.
[b]If ur best friend betray u, will u still befriend with her? what would u do in ur next step?
i had a very close friend whom share ups and downs. but in an incident (cannot tell for some reasons), we fall out. we saw each other in school sometimes but treat each other invisible. furthermore, she spread my bad words behind my back to others as if want to gain pity from them and let them knew that I'm wrong for what it happen. Actually, both parties are in wrong, but why she put all the blame on me and deny all?
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actually i nv thought of friending her bk cos my anger wont supressed no matter how long the time is. wat i can say after seeing some advice above are "forget her" but "wont forgive her". anyways thanks for those advice given.Originally posted by FiRe_BLaDe:well...other ppl got eyes to c,who's gd or bad so if continue 2 spread bad words abt u,u oso cant do naitihing lor...its her mouth wat.
if u realli treasure tis friendship then u might wan 2 approach her to solve the misunderstanding between both of u.if she dnt wish clear it,then tink u got no choice bt 2 leave her alone & 4get tis friendship.
Originally posted by angel911:For the case it was never said how serious the offence is and how you expect others to judge the seriousness?
So far, I've heard noting but "Forgive & Forget". I've not heard about yours. But what Forgive and Forget REALLY means is that we forgive the person, forget the person's wrong-doings, and then, NEVER dig the past out from your mind again.
[b]This means you forgive the person no matter how serious the offence is.[/b]
Where is the pain and anger when you already forgive?Originally posted by oceanic:agree... there's not a forgiveness if u forgive but u dun forget.. u're just carrying the pain and anger with u when u dun forget
what i meant was that if u forgive n u dun forget e pain and anger is still with u... so tts whyOriginally posted by millennium:Where is the pain and anger when you already forgive?
And what I mean is forgive and don't forget the person betray you before and take it as lesson learn. So that's why.Originally posted by oceanic:what i meant was that if u forgive n u dun forget e pain and anger is still with u... so tts why
well, she used to be my very best friend whom our friendship can withstand everything. if in ur shoes, what would u do if ur best friend betray u which might ruin ur future etc? thats why up till now (3 yr liao) i still cant forgive the act she did.. i can forget the past but wont show any forgiveness.Originally posted by millennium:For the case it was never said how serious the offence is and how you expect others to judge the seriousness?
It is not easy to be person to be best friend. Because of one betray and best friend can become enemy, I can said that the so call best friend cannot withstand anything at all.
Forgive the best friend, don't forget what he/she had done, take it as a lesson learnt and beware of him/her in future.
Other than looking at the things done which would ruin the future, I would also look at the good things which my best friend had helped me over the years. To be my best friend, I believe other than can click, most important is we able to helped each other.Originally posted by lv_gal:well, she used to be my very best friend whom our friendship can withstand everything. if in ur shoes, what would u do if ur best friend betray u which might ruin ur future etc? thats why up till now (3 yr liao) i still cant forgive the act she did.. i can forget the past but wont show any forgiveness.
dun u kn that "one bad deed u did, for coutless good deed also wont cover it"Originally posted by millennium:Other than looking at the things done which would ruin the future, I would also look at the good things which my best friend had helped me over the years. To be my best friend, I believe other than can click, most important is we able to helped each other.
People would only looked at how other people treated him/her badly, they wouldn't even bother how much his/her friend had helped them even if there is.
You are talking about extreme cases. I think it is better for you to make things clear before we carry on the discussion. Sooner or later you will come out with something new again.Originally posted by lv_gal:dun u kn that "one bad deed u did, for coutless good deed also wont cover it"
eg: father rape daughter; mother kill own flesh, ur friend had sex with ur partner, close one betray u out of $$$ etc
will u forgive them and remembred the good things they had with u b4? u able to forget the suffering they caused to you? if u can, well, i'm can say u r pretty noble... but i cant do till these stages.I would appreciate you make your point clear before I answer that. Looks like your answer is definitely a no and wouldn't accept anybody to say yes. Than why bother to post in forum in the first place?![]()
I agree as well. U see, there's no point telling yourself that all humans are selfish, although it's our sinful nature and bad habits to be more concern about our own self.Originally posted by oceanic:agree... there's not a forgiveness if u forgive but u dun forget.. u're just carrying the pain and anger with u when u dun forget
Originally posted by angel911:I agree as well. U see, there's no point telling yourself that all humans are selfish, although it's our sinful nature and bad habits to be more concern about our own self.
Instead, why don't we look into a different and more simple point of view? If we forgive but don't forget, then it's not not total forgiveness that most of you are talking about. It's very easy to forgive others verbally, but being willing to let go of the hatred and hurt the person has caused you, THAT is another thing. If anyone can do just that, then that IS TOTAL FORGIVENESS. Then, that is what we call forgive AND forget.
A stupid idiot walked too fast at a junction and knocked down by a bicycle. The stupid idiot forgive the bicycle rider. And at the same time the stupid idiot MUST also forget the incident it in order to be TOTAL FORGIVENESS. The stupid idiot must not remember it at all.Originally posted by angel911:I agree as well. U see, there's no point telling yourself that all humans are selfish, although it's our sinful nature and bad habits to be more concern about our own self.
Instead, why don't we look into a different and more simple point of view? If we forgive but don't forget, then it's not not total forgiveness that most of you are talking about. It's very easy to forgive others verbally, but being willing to let go of the hatred and hurt the person has caused you, THAT is another thing. If anyone can do just that, then that IS TOTAL FORGIVENESS. Then, that is what we call forgive AND forget.