who created God
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
BrolnChrist, please don't do this.....excellence in persuing something that you believe has to be with a good sense of honesty and humble conscience.....right. Take as a way to know the truth....via the intangible thoughts of the humans pysche.Don't do what? I am simply stating atheism for what it is. Even noted atheist William Provine said, "Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear … There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either."
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Strawman argument. I am not asking you to believe in something that does not exist.You have better things to do? An atheist's world is inherently meaningless. There is no ultimate purpose and meaning to whatever you do, if you are a consistent and true atheist.
as if your world is not inherently delusional and fictional
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The Bible speaks of General Revelation and the Bible itself is Special Revelation. Through the thing that are made we can know some things about God that are true.
We can know God TRULY without knowing God FULLY. As such the Scriptures are SUFFICIENT for us to know Him. The Scriptures tells us what we NEED to know in order to be right with Him. And when the perfect comes we will know God in a more excellent way.
The Revelations has to do with the personal and indirect or direct experience of an individual to see GOD. Like for instance when we do something we know we are doing wrong and then without your realization....there it is within yourself you see something or some form of insights which sees why and when and where we have gone wrong. Revelation of the Holy Spirit comes in the form of angst or euphoria within oneself which constitutes the live of oneself and learns from the image of self existence and with the thoughts of how we can be in one with the higher self. Revelation has not been found in many of us because we are either not listening or not liking the intangible image of a like GOD. Yes, the holy scriptures has explained and told the meaning of the some of the incidences that had accurred thousands of years hoping the we in the present generation could envisage what they had gone through to receive such revelation of the super being that we call GOD. -
Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
... In the beginning...
Man created god.
thats correct.......bingo............who wrote the bible? of cos man
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Don't do what? I am simply stating atheism for what it is. Even noted atheist William Provine said, "Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear … There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either."
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
as if your world is not inherently delusional and fictional
That's for you to show. I have already discharged my responsibility to show that atheism is inherently delusional. Question is, are you up to the challenge or are you just contented with repeating those tiresome anti-theism slogans? -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
That's for you to show. I have already discharged my responsibility to show that atheism is inherently delusional. Question is, are you up to the challenge or are you just contented with repeating those tiresome anti-theism slogans?sure you are entitled to your opinions, sama sama.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Don't do what? I am simply stating atheism for what it is. Even noted atheist William Provine said, "Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear … There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either."
No this quite clearly that all living things will perished and there is a whole new world after that comes in everything and in anything that lives in physical realm. We die and we can see that ourselves are not in physical form anymore but we live as in the world of intangibles.....we compose this as to make it worth to make man believes in life after death. All body of living things will die when the body is degenerated in ageing....then when we die our body are buried or cremated and it becomes ashes.....which in scientific terms organic matters and when any organic matters are burned out or decomposed....it creates a life for those who are still alive....we are an energy to those who are still living on earth plane. What happens to those energies from our dead bodies....it goes right back to the soil, water, air and the breath we breathe in.....see simple but its complex for most of us to understand.....science and theology as a religion has thought many new things new revelations to us and science too has evolved from ancient theologians that believed in knowing GOD and to understand GOD..yes. -
Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
No this quite clearly that all living things will perished and there is a whole new world after that comes in everything and in anything that lives in physical realm. We die and we can see that ourselves are not in physical form anymore but we live as in the world of intangibles.....we compose this as to make it worth to make man believes in life after death. All body of living things will die when the body is degenerated in ageing....then when we die our body are buried or cremated and it becomes ashes.....which in scientific terms organic matters and when any organic matters are burned out or decomposed....it creates a life for those who are still alive....we are an energy to those who are still living on earth plane. What happens to those energies from our dead bodies....it goes right back to the soil, water, air and the breath we breathe in.....see simple but its complex for most of us to understand.....science and theology as a religion has thought many new things new revelations to us and science too has evolved from ancient theologians that believed in knowing GOD and to understand GOD..yes.The Bible teaches that man is complete when he is body, soul and spirit. Death is what separates the soul/spirit from the body. But the Bible also teaches that there will be a resurrection of the dead, the body will reunite with the soul/spirit.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
sure you are entitled to your opinions, sama sama.
The issue is not about entitlement to opinions. The question is whether you have the intellectual substance to back up your claims. So far I am not seeing any.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
utter nonsense and rubbish.......I cant bother continue reading furtherThe truth hurts doesnt it? So much so that you don't wish to know more about atheism!
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
impossible to ask me to believe in something that does not exists and written by ignorant and uneducated folks from 2000 years ago.
I have better things to do
Hi Jacky, how are you doing ?:D
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The Bible teaches that man is complete when he is body, soul and spirit. Death is what separates the soul/spirit from the body. But the Bible also teaches that there will be a resurrection of the dead, the body will reunite with the soul/spirit.
Resurrection of the soul/spirit......which I see as thought forms and energy...energy lives within our soul/spirit and its never the same again once we are there....yes. -
Originally posted by laffin123:
Hi Jacky, how are you doing ?:D
me fine. you? never seen you for a while?
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
Resurrection of the soul/spirit......which I see as thought forms and energy...energy lives within our soul/spirit and its never the same again once we are there....yes.The Bible refers to actual physical bodies that are also spiritual bodies. In case you think there's a contradiction there is none. I am not saying that the physical body is a spirit, but that the physical body is also a spiritual body.
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In a way like the computer systems. Computers are consist of many parts of the electronics which are assemble to create a body that works. Like a computer, the mind of the computer are not functionable without the computer chip which operates the body of the computer without it the computer is useless. However, should we compare this to the realization of the human psyche it does seems the same here.....we could operate the computer with the microchip and also we could operate a new body computer with the same old computer microchip by transferring it to the new one when the old computer is out. The old microchip from the old computer can be used for the new computer because that is where the computer database and memories exist.....then there is a new life for the computer. Like energy transform itself and then returns to the humans in living realm...yes.
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Originally posted by zulkifli mahmood:
In a way like the computer systems. Computers are consist of many parts of the electronics which are assemble to create a body that works. Like a computer, the mind of the computer are not functionable without the computer chip which operates the body of the computer without it the computer is useless. However, should we compare this to the realization of the human psyche it does seems the same here…..we could operate the computer with the microchip and also we could operate a new body computer with the same old computer microchip by transferring it to the new one when the old computer is out. The old microchip from the old computer can be used for the new computer because that is where the computer database and memories exist…..then there is a new life for the computer. Like energy transform itself and then returns to the humans in living realm…yes.
You are referring to hardware and software and transportability of software to different hardware. But the Bible refers to the resurrection of the SAME body, albeit for believers it is a glorified one.
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Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
If a psychiatrist ever saw what u wrote, you'll b guaranteed a trip to IMH in a police car.
Which one, the one you are currently seeing?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
You are referring to hardware and software and transportability of software to different hardware. But the Bible refers to the resurrection of the SAME body, albeit for believers it is a glorified one.
Glory indeed and Glory to GOD. It does seem peculiar here we aren't the body which is only the body matter but we much more than that...Energy that comes from our dead body which you see as the holy scriptures said....which energy has written the myriad of the holy scriptures of the whole world.....So whose is doing the writing there.....humans, mind, energies of the dead living soul which you said either as the soul/spirit then we see GOD in all things....even after we are long gone from this living world.....yes. -
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I like to share with the Christians these songs which my wife who is a Catholic and she listens to these songs everynight before sleep. Hope you enjoy it. Casting Crowns – Who Am I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjhxOv9YDag With All I Am (By Hillsong) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMrAafe7Mns
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Originally posted by Miyuki miingguii:
Luckily the government alr banned public preaching. If not, you'll b one of those lifeless ppl going around the streets n grabbing unsuspecting passerbys and then preach the bible to them.
Since when did the government ban public preaching? Are you referring to standing on soap boxes to preach like in the US? Schools and hospital ban evangelism I know. But I do not know of any law that says I cannot approach you at bus-stop and share with you about my faith. If there is such a law please enlighten me.