Poems

• Aneslayer

  17 Jul 11, 23:39

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

   

  欧阳修

  别��知�远近，触目凄凉多少闷。

  �行�远�无书，水阔鱼沉何处问。

  夜深风竹敲秋韵，万��声皆是�。

  故欹�枕梦中寻，梦�����烬。

   

   

  Sob sob sob :'(

  Miss my wife already... 

• Fcukpap

  20 Jul 11, 20:50

  相�时难别亦难，东风无力百花残。

   æ˜¥èš•åˆ°æ­»ä¸�方尽，蜡炬æˆ�ç�°æ³ªå§‹å¹²ã€‚

  å”�ï¼›æ�Žå•†éš�〈无题〉 

  

• Fcukpap

  20 Jul 11, 21:52

   

  夕阳�唤下楼梯，一�香�。

  回头�笑阶�立，总无语，也��。

   
  笺书直�无凭�，休说相�。

  �伊好�红窗醉，须莫�，�花时。

  ~ 纳兰容若

   

   

   

   

   

• Aneslayer

  20 Jul 11, 22:14

  一个牛çŠ�å�Šäº©ç”°ï¼Œæ”¶ä¹Ÿå‡­å¤©ï¼Œè�’也凭天；  
  粗茶淡饭饱三é¤�，早也香甜，晚也香甜；  
  布衣得暖胜ä¸�绵，长也å�¯ç©¿ï¼ŒçŸ­ä¹Ÿå�¯ç©¿ï¼›  
  è�‰èˆ�茅屋有几间，行也安然，待也安然；  
  雨过天晴驾å°�船，鱼在一边，酒在一边；  
  夜归儿女è¯�ç�¯å‰�，今也有言，å�¤ä¹Ÿæœ‰è¨€ï¼›  
  日上三竿我独眠，è°�是神仙？我是神仙ï¼� 

  - ???? (I really have no idea... Does anyone know?)

• BanguIzai

  21 Jul 11, 00:20

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  相�时难别亦难，东风无力百花残。

   æ˜¥èš•åˆ°æ­»ä¸�方尽，蜡炬æˆ�ç�°æ³ªå§‹å¹²ã€‚

  å”�ï¼›æ�Žå•†éš�〈无题〉 

  

  Eh, this is one of my favourite poems from Mr �商隱 leh

  Why you cut into half neh !  You ah!   Notti!

  相見時難別亦難
  �風無力百花殘
  春蠶到死絲方盡
  蠟炬��淚始乾
  曉�但�雲鬢改
  夜�應覺月光寒
  蓬�此去無多路
  �鳥殷勤為探看

  Translations by Mr Shi Yin Zhou

  UNTITLED   - Li Shang-yin

  To meet is hard, to part as hard to fare.
  The East Wind being faint, all flowers sear.
  Spring silkworm, dead at last, stops yielding silk;
  Wax candle, burned to ash, dries then its tear.
  O'er morning mirror, her hair change she'd grieve;
  In night chant, brunt of moonlight chill she'd bear.
  From here to Fairy Mount is not so far,
  Blue Bird, be kind to visit oft my dear !

  • This poem, supposedly written to a lady in a lord's palace or a nun in a secluded convent, starts with the line that to meet each other is hard while being parted is harder to bear.
  • The word "silk" in Chinese language is a pun which sounds also like the word "longing".
  • Blue Bird is the legendary love messenger.

• BanguIzai

  21 Jul 11, 00:21

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

   

  夕阳�唤下楼梯，一�香�。

  回头�笑阶�立，总无语，也��。

   
  笺书直�无凭�，休说相�。

  �伊好�红窗醉，须莫�，�花时。

  ~ 纳兰容若

   

   

   

   

   

  never heard before of this person. name sounds very manchu or mongol again.  perhaps from the Ch'ing again ar?

• BanguIzai

  21 Jul 11, 01:04

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  http://www.ck.tp.edu.tw/~cywang/216file/ch15.files/chireports/33242.htm

  雨霖鈴（寒蟬淒切）   æŸ³æ°¸

   

  寒蟬淒切，�長亭晚，驟雨�歇。

  都門帳飲無緒，方留戀處，蘭舟催發。

  執手相看淚眼，竟無語�噎。

  念去去�里煙波，暮�沈沈楚天闊。

  多情自�傷離別，更那堪�冷�清秋節。

  今宵酒醒何處？

  楊柳岸，曉風殘月�

  此去經年，應是良辰好景虛設。

  便縱有�種風情，更與何人說�

   

   

   

  Self-translation

  It's near evening time, I hear the cicadas' mourning screeches intermittently. The shadows of the evening skies looms itself around the roadside pavilion where I am parting with her today. The sudden downpour which had just stopped at least brought forth a gush of fresh air into me. Even though she purposely wanted me to cheer up by setting up a farewell party booth outside the city gates, actually both of us have no mood to drink at all. The boatman called out to us that his boat is gonna leave soon, while we are still reluctant to part with each other. My hands are tightly clutched to hers, and her teary eyes looked deep into mine, with a thousand words yet no sound being able to come out of our throats. The boat will be bringing me southwards to a thousand miles away until I merge with the blurry waters at the horizon, so that you will only end up seeing the endless deep blue sky hovering in front of you.

  Passionate lovers has been heartbroken time and again since the immemorial past, moreover, most unbearably that this has to happen to us in this pathetic, sorrowful autumn season. Tonight, when I turn sober, where will I find myself in this awkward loneliness? Well, I might find myself along the shores, under the dim, waning moon hiding behind the drooping willow trees accompanied by gusts of morning cold wind! Without you by my side, whether or not my future is going to be smooth-sailing, I will have no mood to rejoice every year after year of separating from you. Because, without you by my side, my heart's romantic tenderness will have no one to express to!

  This is the calligraphy in relation to this poetry quoted above:

  

• BanguIzai

  21 Jul 11, 01:43

  Originally posted by Aneslayer:

  一个牛çŠ�å�Šäº©ç”°ï¼Œæ”¶ä¹Ÿå‡­å¤©ï¼Œè�’也凭天；  
  粗茶淡饭饱三é¤�，早也香甜，晚也香甜；  
  布衣得暖胜ä¸�绵，长也å�¯ç©¿ï¼ŒçŸ­ä¹Ÿå�¯ç©¿ï¼›  
  è�‰èˆ�茅屋有几间，行也安然，待也安然；  
  雨过天晴驾å°�船，鱼在一边，酒在一边；  
  夜归儿女è¯�ç�¯å‰�，今也有言，å�¤ä¹Ÿæœ‰è¨€ï¼›  
  日上三竿我独眠，è°�是神仙？我是神仙ï¼� 

  - ???? (I really have no idea... Does anyone know?)

  at first I thought this is some modern 詩 (aka �代詩), looking longer at the 韻腳, think this is done during the period between middle 明 dynasty and early 清 dynasty

  reason:

  because of all the 韻腳s, “甜” was a giveaway. “甜” only became a "-n" ending word after the time of 周德清's 《中原音韻》 which was å…ƒ dynasty which still kept "-m" finals

  Furthermore, other than assimilated “甜”, all the rest of the 韻腳 follows the å±±-rhymes faithfully, with “ç©¿” & “然” still giving an older pronunciation with the 介音 "-i-" or "-y-" which was lost in Modern Beijing Mandarin

   

  Hope this clue from phonology helps to give a glimpse of the rough timeline.  And hope I am accurate too.  I sincerely dunno who this poem came from, so couldn't give a direct answer.

• Aneslayer

  21 Jul 11, 08:41

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  at first I thought this is some modern 詩 (aka �代詩), looking longer at the 韻腳, think this is done during the period between middle 明 dynasty and early 清 dynasty

  reason:

  because of all the 韻腳s, “甜” was a giveaway. “甜” only became a "-n" ending word after the time of 周德清's 《中原音韻》 which was å…ƒ dynasty which still kept "-m" finals

  Furthermore, other than assimilated “甜”, all the rest of the 韻腳 follows the å±±-rhymes faithfully, with “ç©¿” & “然” still giving an older pronunciation with the 介音 "-i-" or "-y-" which was lost in Modern Beijing Mandarin

   

  Hope this clue from phonology helps to give a glimpse of the rough timeline.  And hope I am accurate too.  I sincerely dunno who this poem came from, so couldn't give a direct answer.

  I believe its written in Cantonese... That's all I know, thanks!

• Fcukpap

  21 Jul 11, 23:23

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  Eh, this is one of my favourite poems from Mr �商隱 leh

  Why you cut into half neh !  You ah!   Notti!

  相見時難別亦難
  �風無力百花殘
  春蠶到死絲方盡
  蠟炬��淚始乾
  曉�但�雲鬢改
  夜�應覺月光寒
  蓬�此去無多路
  �鳥殷勤為探看

  Translations by Mr Shi Yin Zhou

  UNTITLED   - Li Shang-yin

  To meet is hard, to part as hard to fare.
  The East Wind being faint, all flowers sear.
  Spring silkworm, dead at last, stops yielding silk;
  Wax candle, burned to ash, dries then its tear.
  O'er morning mirror, her hair change she'd grieve;
  In night chant, brunt of moonlight chill she'd bear.
  From here to Fairy Mount is not so far,
  Blue Bird, be kind to visit oft my dear !

  • This poem, supposedly written to a lady in a lord's palace or a nun in a secluded convent, starts with the line that to meet each other is hard while being parted is harder to bear.
  • The word "silk" in Chinese language is a pun which sounds also like the word "longing".
  • Blue Bird is the legendary love messenger.

  hehe...as mentioned....i am inspired without restrictions and not necessarily wholesome...sori if i chopped your Mr Lee's poem ...

  u must be a very sentimental person....

• Fcukpap

  21 Jul 11, 23:26

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  never heard before of this person. name sounds very manchu or mongol again.  perhaps from the Ch'ing again ar?

  yep....ching dynasty great poet...

  chinese poetic geniuses do not halt at Tang/ Song Era....its good to explore...

• BanguIzai

  22 Jul 11, 01:46

  Originally posted by Aneslayer:

  I believe its written in Cantonese... That's all I know, thanks!

  It's ok, I was just helping to point out more information which I can see.  We all here to help to provide more information for people to find out the answer more easily.

• BanguIzai

  22 Jul 11, 02:49

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  yep....ching dynasty great poet...

  chinese poetic geniuses do not halt at Tang/ Song Era....its good to explore...

  Ya that's true.

  Generally, I had taken brief looks at the following stuffs from the following eras:

  1.  Pre-Qin - poems from 詩經，離騷's style and possible Chu semantical influences, 春秋 & 戰國 fables
  2.  Han - i did not concern much / can't recall of at this moment in time (i did not even look at å�²è¨˜ although it is of particular importance / 漢賦 is interesting but did not read much)
  3.  3-Countries - did not concern much / only remembers 曹æ“�'s poem "短歌行" (did not look at 三國志 although it is of particular importance)
  4.  Jin - 陶淵明's stuffs
  5.  North-South dynasties - 駢文 and 宮體詩 and é•·è©© (such as 孔雀æ�±å�—飛)
  6.  Sui - did not concern much / only remembers 駱賓王's poem "éµ�" / as Sui is the transitional period between North-South and T'ang, so i simply browsed through this dynasty under the shadows of the former two
  7.  T'ang - å”�è©©, paying more attention to 白居易 and æ�Žå•†éš± and å”�è©ž, paying more attention to 溫庭筠 and 韋莊, as well as 散文s, eg. 韓愈's 祭鱷魚文 and 劉禹錫's 陋室銘.  Generally I pay more attention to 晚å”� (with exceptions of interest to 王維 of åˆ�å”�)
  8.  5-Periods-10-Countries - as this period is the transitional period between T'ang and Song, so i simply browsed through this period with the exception of è©žs by æ�Žå�Žä¸» (< æ�Žç…œ)
  9.  Song - 宋詞, paying more attention to æ™�殊/æ™�å¹¾é�“ (dad/son), æ­�陽修, 柳永, 秦觀, 周邦彥, 姜夔 and å�³æ–‡è‹±.  Some 散文s caught my attention as well, eg. 愛蓮說, æ­�陽修's 醉ç¿�亭記, 范仲淹's 岳陽樓記. Some 宋詩's also caught my attention as well, eg. 陸游, 楊è�¬é‡Œ, 劉克莊. I skipped 太平廣記 in general.
  10. Liao/Jin/Yuan - 元曲, paying no particular attention to any authors (not even 関漢å�¿) but it is mesmerizing to read them / also in relation to Ming's 戲曲 developments from 元曲. Have a sizable handwritten collection of notes by me about these.  (i may scan them and post some 元曲s / or do some of its translations in the future)
  11.  Ming - i did not concern much (the main attraction of this dynasty is å�¤å…¸é•·ç¯‡å°�説s which i skipped in its entirety, of course those which are made into shows were enjoyed by me, eg. 西é�Šè¨˜.  i paid no attention to 水滸傳 and 金瓶梅 at all.) Neither did any 明詩 nor 明詞 nor 明曲 caught my attention. 散文s of this period also did not catch my attention.
  12.  Qing - i did not concern much (the main attraction of this dynasty is still å�¤å…¸é•·ç¯‡å°�説s which i skipped in its entirety, including the most famous 紅樓夢 / only took a few looks at 兒女英雄傳 and è�Šé½‹ dat's all). æ•£æ–‡s of this period did not catch my attention except 歸有光's 寒花髒志. I did not pay particular attention to any 清詩s and 清詞s although I too have a huge collection of hand-copied memos and notes (i copied 1 full jotter book on them - If you really like Ch'ing poems so much, I may extract them and share here / or scan some of the selections if you request me to do so).

• BanguIzai

  22 Jul 11, 02:52

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  hehe...as mentioned....i am inspired without restrictions and not necessarily wholesome...sori if i chopped your Mr Lee's poem ...

  u must be a very sentimental person....

  Huh? Wat do u mean by i very sentimental? No lar, I can recognize this is chop into half just because this 無題 happen to be one of the poem that I could memorize from head-to-toe (in the past) mah, of course I very familiar lah !

• Rock^Star

  22 Jul 11, 11:35

  Bangul's explanation is very technical, I like haha. Cos sometimes the words are too qeem or if not, the meaning behind the words are due to a story which we do not know of. Some explanation would be helpful in better appreciating the poem.

• Fcukpap

  22 Jul 11, 21:55

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  Ya that's true.

  Generally, I had taken brief looks at the following stuffs from the following eras:

  1.  Pre-Qin - poems from 詩經，離騷's style and possible Chu semantical influences, 春秋 & 戰國 fables
  2.  Han - i did not concern much / can't recall of at this moment in time (i did not even look at å�²è¨˜ although it is of particular importance / 漢賦 is interesting but did not read much)
  3.  3-Countries - did not concern much / only remembers 曹æ“�'s poem "短歌行" (did not look at 三國志 although it is of particular importance)
  4.  Jin - 陶淵明's stuffs
  5.  North-South dynasties - 駢文 and 宮體詩 and é•·è©© (such as 孔雀æ�±å�—飛)
  6.  Sui - did not concern much / only remembers 駱賓王's poem "éµ�" / as Sui is the transitional period between North-South and T'ang, so i simply browsed through this dynasty under the shadows of the former two
  7.  T'ang - å”�è©©, paying more attention to 白居易 and æ�Žå•†éš± and å”�è©ž, paying more attention to 溫庭筠 and 韋莊, as well as 散文s, eg. 韓愈's 祭鱷魚文 and 劉禹錫's 陋室銘.  Generally I pay more attention to 晚å”� (with exceptions of interest to 王維 of åˆ�å”�)
  8.  5-Periods-10-Countries - as this period is the transitional period between T'ang and Song, so i simply browsed through this period with the exception of è©žs by æ�Žå�Žä¸» (< æ�Žç…œ)
  9.  Song - 宋詞, paying more attention to æ™�殊/æ™�å¹¾é�“ (dad/son), æ­�陽修, 柳永, 秦觀, 周邦彥, 姜夔 and å�³æ–‡è‹±.  Some 散文s caught my attention as well, eg. 愛蓮說, æ­�陽修's 醉ç¿�亭記, 范仲淹's 岳陽樓記. Some 宋詩's also caught my attention as well, eg. 陸游, 楊è�¬é‡Œ, 劉克莊. I skipped 太平廣記 in general.
  10. Liao/Jin/Yuan - 元曲, paying no particular attention to any authors (not even 関漢å�¿) but it is mesmerizing to read them / also in relation to Ming's 戲曲 developments from 元曲. Have a sizable handwritten collection of notes by me about these.  (i may scan them and post some 元曲s / or do some of its translations in the future)
  11.  Ming - i did not concern much (the main attraction of this dynasty is å�¤å…¸é•·ç¯‡å°�説s which i skipped in its entirety, of course those which are made into shows were enjoyed by me, eg. 西é�Šè¨˜.  i paid no attention to 水滸傳 and 金瓶梅 at all.) Neither did any 明詩 nor 明詞 nor 明曲 caught my attention. 散文s of this period also did not catch my attention.
  12.  Qing - i did not concern much (the main attraction of this dynasty is still å�¤å…¸é•·ç¯‡å°�説s which i skipped in its entirety, including the most famous 紅樓夢 / only took a few looks at 兒女英雄傳 and è�Šé½‹ dat's all). æ•£æ–‡s of this period did not catch my attention except 歸有光's 寒花髒志. I did not pay particular attention to any 清詩s and 清詞s although I too have a huge collection of hand-copied memos and notes (i copied 1 full jotter book on them - If you really like Ch'ing poems so much, I may extract them and share here / or scan some of the selections if you request me to do so).

  of course Tang had seen the greatest flowering of cultural achievements...

  there are several poems of those eras that are timeless...u have been an avid reader of chinese poems and that is great! 

  for me, i am extracting in between the lines of the pasts what are near to our modern or even post modern thoughts... that history is cyclical as well as human nature... 

  but i am not in favour of too much interpretation..

• Fcukpap

  22 Jul 11, 22:12

   

  輕輕的我走了，
  正如我輕輕的來；
  我輕輕的招手，
  作別西天的雲彩。
  
  那河畔的金柳，
  是夕陽中的新娘；
  波光裡的艷影，
  在我的心頭蕩漾。
  
  軟泥上的��，
  油油地在水底招�；
  在康河的柔波裡，
  我甘心�一�水��
  
  那榆蔭下的一潭，
  �是清泉，是天上虹；
  �碎在浮藻間，
  沉澱著彩虹似的夢。
  
  尋夢？�一支長篙，
  ���更�處漫溯；
  滿載一船星�，
  在星�斑斕裡放歌。
  
  但我�能放歌，
  悄悄是別離的笙簫；
  �蟲也為我沉默，
  沉默是今晚的康橋�
  
  悄悄的我走了，
  正如我悄悄的來；
  我�一�衣袖，
  �帶走一片雲彩。

  ~ å¾�å¿—æ‘© (1897 - 1931)

   

• [imdestinyz]

  27 Jul 11, 11:26

  i think we should not forget some very good female poets around and this person has 诗� i love so much.

  《声声慢·å¯»å¯»è§…觅》 ï¼�æ�Žæ¸…ç…§

  　　寻寻觅觅，冷冷清清，凄凄惨惨戚戚。�暖还寒时候，最难将�。三�两�淡酒，怎敌他�晚�风急��过也，正伤心，�是旧时相识。

  　　满地黄花堆积，憔悴�，如今有�堪摘？守著窗儿，独自怎生得黑�梧�更兼细雨，到黄�，点点滴滴。这次第，怎一个�字了得�

  《如梦令》　��清照

  　　昨夜雨�风骤，浓��消残酒。试问�帘人，��海棠�旧。知�？知�？
  应是绿肥红瘦。

  《醉花阴》　 ��清照

  　　薄雾浓云�永昼，瑞脑消金兽。佳节��阳，玉枕纱橱，�夜凉��。东篱把酒黄�後，有暗香盈袖。莫��消魂，帘�西风，人比黄花瘦。

  There's 1 more good female poet i know of too and wld like to share... but i've checked and there were only 3 pieces of work by her that remained. She's from the ming dynasty

  《�算�》　�严蕊

  �是爱风尘，似被�缘误。花�花开自有时，总赖东�主。 去也终须去，�也如何��若得山花�满头，莫问奴归处

• BanguIzai

  27 Jul 11, 12:54

  Originally posted by [imdestinyz]:

  i think we should not forget some very good female poets around and this person has 诗� i love so much.

  《声声慢·å¯»å¯»è§…觅》 ï¼�æ�Žæ¸…ç…§

  寻寻觅觅，冷冷清清，凄凄惨惨戚戚。�暖还寒时候，最难将�。三�两�淡酒，怎敌他�晚�风急��过也，正伤心，�是旧时相识。

  满地黄花堆积，憔悴�，如今有�堪摘？守著窗儿，独自怎生得黑�梧�更兼细雨，到黄�，点点滴滴。这次第，怎一个�字了得�

  《如梦令》　��清照

  昨夜雨�风骤，浓��消残酒。试问�帘人，��海棠�旧。知�？知�？
  应是绿肥红瘦。

  《醉花阴》 ��清照

  薄雾浓云�永昼，瑞脑消金兽。佳节��阳，玉枕纱橱，�夜凉��。东篱把酒黄�後，有暗香盈袖。莫��消魂，帘�西风，人比黄花瘦。

  There's 1 more good female poet i know of too and wld like to share... but i've checked and there were only 3 pieces of work by her that remained. She's from the ming dynasty

  《�算�》　�严蕊

  �是爱风尘，似被�缘误。花�花开自有时，总赖东�主。 去也终须去，�也如何��若得山花�满头，莫问奴归处

   

  Ya, I still remember T'ang - 1 more famous lady, Song - another famous lady.

   

  T'ang :  é±¼çŽ„机 

  

  

  

  

   

  Song:  æœ±æ·‘真

  

  

  

• Fcukpap

  27 Jul 11, 21:54

  how nice if the gals look like real.....

   

• BanguIzai

  27 Jul 11, 22:30

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  how nice if the gals look like real.....

   

   

  you can come here and look for them:

  

   

  They might be waiting for you to come ...

  

• Fcukpap

  29 Jul 11, 00:37

  i m still a realist at heart..though being surreal could be my forte

• BanguIzai

  29 Jul 11, 00:46

  ya that's why you are a sur(realist)

• BanguIzai

  30 Jul 11, 22:09

  Originally posted by Rock^Star:

  A poem (水调歌头) written by �轼 aka �东� (1037-1101) of the Northern Song dynasty (北宋):

  明月几时有, 把酒问�天。

  When will the next moon appear, grab the cup of wine and ask the heavens.

  �知天上宫阙�今夕是何年？

  Not sure which year it is in the heavenly palaces?

  我欲乘风归去，惟��楼玉宇，高处�胜寒。

  I wish to return "home" (as if back to the heavens) with the wind but just afraid that it's cold in the palaces up there.

  起舞弄清影，何似在人间？ 

  Begin to dance and make light shadows, this is not earth? (as if in an imagination that's out of this world.

  转朱�，低绮户，照无眠。

  The moon shines unto the pavillions and elegant doors, watching over those who cannot sleep (refers to those who are troubled; actually I think he's talking abotu himself)

  �应有��何事长�别时圆？

  There shouldn't be hate but why should the moon become round only when people are apart? (He's actually referring to his dear brother who's far away and it really pains him; in Chinese belief, the round shape signifies a reunion of close ones)

  人有悲欢离�，月有阴晴圆缺，此事�难全。

  There's sadness, happiness, parting of ways and reunion of people...just like the moon that takes different shapes (阴,晴,圆,缺), it's hard for things to be perfect.
  

  但愿人长久，�里共�娟。

  Hope for mankind to exist forever, while admiring the moon from thousands of li apart. �娟 refers to a flawless and elegant beauty, in this case the moon goddess, 娼娥。

  Just now Channel 8 昇� variety show singing competition the girl 陳金燕 sang this poem that you translated and got 1st prize

• Rock^Star

  30 Jul 11, 23:17

  I hope she knows the meaning behind those words lol. This kind of song, enter any competition already one step ahead.