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  • minx
    Originally posted by lce:

    coz Chiam See Tong dun have the power to play dirty

    Neutral-Thinker replied to your question on which politician is clean.  

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    I agree, the Opposition should just "close shop" and let all these stupid voters suffer! Did so much for them and then got betrayed!!! Should just leave them to rot in their own stupidity!!!

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  • jurongresident

    In my opinion, I feel that as compared to Malaysia, our Chinese is not good. Needless to say, our dialects (Hokkien, Cantonese, Teochew, etcetera.) is also not good.

    I understand English is a universal language. However, if we were not English men, we will never be English men. For work and social, it is good to use the English language. But, for fun and leisure, we should use our Mother Tongue language and dialects.

    Possible solution: Have television shows in dialects (with dual option for standard Mother Tongue).

    Actually, forums like SGforums, Skyscrapercity and HardwareZone have the power to change, to improve the situation today, where our Chinese is not good. I do not know how, but consider the significance in the cyber world of Singapore, if done correctly, the forums here can make a difference.

    Likewise for SGAG, SMRT Ltd (Feedback), Wah Banana, Night Owl Cinematics, etcetera.

  • jurongresident

    It is not about saying words or making an impression. This is not an audition for actors and actresses.

    We want solutions, good solutions, that would benefit us in the long-term.

    In my opinion, I feel that the opposition parties did not provide both good and long-term solutions, that is why most (70%) of the voters did not vote for the opposition parties.

    In my opinion, I feel that once and for all, the PAP should explain to the people on why there is the CPF. I feel that many of us still do not see the benefit in it.

    I heard that last time, there was a period of time when CPF was returned 100% to people when they reach a certain age. These people suddenly have so much money, so they cannot resist the temptation to spend. A lot of them were cheated for their money. As a result, after a while, many of these people end up having no money. And by then, some of them are already very old. Then, the Government say that they will not one-shot give back 100% of the CPF money. Instead, each time give back a bit, that is enough for the retirees to live their lives.

    In my opinion, I feel that it is about the awareness. The PAP should educate the people, so that everyone understands why there is the CPF, and why they cannot one-shot get back their CPF money.

    Personally, I am feeling sick and tired of listening to the opposition complain about the CPF. After so many General Elections, they are still talking about it. :(

  • Neutral-Thinker

    If you wish that your kids are also very good in Chinese, then you should supervise them and make sure they get into schools that offer CL1.  My understanding is no mediocre school offers CL1.   Most Singaporen students cannot cope with two languages.   Even most of the SAP school students are only good in one language but know two languages.

    The best in Chinese from my primary school classes ended up studying only CL2 because they did not finish in the top 10% of the PSLE cohort when measured by 4 subjects and they were not even the best in Chinese in my neighbourhood seconday school classes.

    Dialects in my own personal opinion is only useful for communicating with "own" (ka ki nan) people especially older generations and for enjoying dramas by foreign countries such as Hong Kong.  Politicians bother to learn them because they want to gain the votes of the older generations.

    You could write in to MediaCorp to suggest this but I doubt they would broadcast them as the market is very small for people wishing to watch dialect shows.  So far, I have only seen Teochew operas shown on TV in recent years.

    However, our educational system prepared us sufficiently well to tackle the two largest econonies in the world (for Chinese, it is American and Chinese markets).  Malays are well prepared for Indonesian, Malaysian and Brunei markets.  Indians could tackle the Indian market with English (but not Tamil because there are too many Indian dialects in India). 

    My understanding is if you are really interested in Chinese language, even if you stopped learning Chinese after O-levels and went to poly, you could be better than someone who got A1 at AO level in Chinese in JC.  I have seen at least one scholar who got A1 grade in Chinese who could not speak fluently in Mandarin.

    However it was a good thing that the previous Education Minister became Defense Minister because he set a bad example for kids being only good in one language and being extremely poor in the second language.

     

  • Ee Hoe Hean Club

    Harry Lee's bilingual policy is a complete and total failure.

    PAP has no will to address this issue because it concerns power politics and the entire system of political power in Singapore.

    Malaysia's bilingual policy is more successful, malaysian chinese can speak both chinese and malay very well.

    After PAP labelled malay as Singapore's "national" language, malay usage amongst chinese declined. Older chinese know how to speak malay, younger chinese don't know.

    The destruction of usage of local languages by PAP is very great.

  • Neutral-Thinker
    Originally posted by jurongresident:

    It is not about saying words or making an impression. This is not an audition for actors and actresses.

    We want solutions, good solutions, that would benefit us in the long-term.

    In my opinion, I feel that the opposition parties did not provide both good and long-term solutions, that is why most (70%) of the voters did not vote for the opposition parties.

    In my opinion, I feel that once and for all, the PAP should explain to the people on why there is the CPF. I feel that many of us still do not see the benefit in it.

    I heard that last time, there was a period of time when CPF was returned 100% to people when they reach a certain age. These people suddenly have so much money, so they cannot resist the temptation to spend. A lot of them were cheated for their money. As a result, after a while, many of these people end up having no money. And by then, some of them are already very old. Then, the Government say that they will not one-shot give back 100% of the CPF money. Instead, each time give back a bit, that is enough for the retirees to live their lives.

    In my opinion, I feel that it is about the awareness. The PAP should educate the people, so that everyone understands why there is the CPF, and why they cannot one-shot get back their CPF money.

    Personally, I am feeling sick and tired of listening to the opposition complain about the CPF. After so many General Elections, they are still talking about it. :(

    The best opposition speech about CPF that I have heard this election is this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0Mf8QkFGM .  It was delivered by Mr Lin Tean who came out from nowhere to lead NSP.  He was rated by one writer from Yahoo as 4th best speaker of this election.

    Personally I feel that people should have a choice whether to withdraw money from CPF after reaching the withdrawal age or continue to park at least a portion of it there to earn higher interest rates regardless of whether one already has S$161,000 already in CPF.

  • Neutral-Thinker
    Originally posted by Ee Hoe Hean Club:

    Harry Lee's bilingual policy is a complete and total failure.

    PAP has no will to address this issue because it concerns power politics and the entire system of political power in Singapore.

    Malaysia's bilingual policy is more successful, malaysian chinese can speak both chinese and malay very well.

    After PAP labelled malay as Singapore's "national" language, malay usage amongst chinese declined. Older chinese know how to speak malay, younger chinese don't know.

    I don't know whether their tri-lingual policy is that good because I have met quite a number of them and most of them are only good in one and at best mediocre in another and very likely super-poor in the third language.   One Malaysian Honors student (Chinese race) at NTU who received 12-13 years of education in Malaysia that I met before almost could not speak Mandarin at all.  Another Malaysian lady in her 60s-70s that I know who received 12-13 years of education in Malaysia and graduated from Nan-Da almost could not speak Malay at all and is super-poor in English.

    Goh Meng Seng is an example of a person who is bilingual who graduated from a SAP school. Sim Ann is another example.  Dr Chee Soon Juan is an example of a strong in one language person who is weaker in Chinese who picked up a few dialects and Malay to earn more votes.

  • Ee Hoe Hean Club
    Originally posted by Neutral-Thinker:

     

    Goh Meng Seng is an example of a person who is bilingual who graduated from a SAP school. Sim Ann is another example.  Dr Chee Soon Juan is an example of a strong in one language person who is weaker in Chinese who picked up a few dialects and Malay to earn more votes.

    The number of people in Singapore who can speak mandarin and english flawlessly, maybe I can count with ten fingers.

  • jurongresident

    Possible solution, to improve the standard of our Chinese:

    Send a group of people over to Malaysia, to learn about how come Malaysia Chinese is better than our Chinese, while they are also good in English, while they are also good in Malay. Then come back here, use Malaysia's methods to improve our Chinese.

  • Neutral-Thinker
    Originally posted by jurongresident:

    Possible solution, to improve the standard of our Chinese:

    Send a group of people over to Malaysia, to learn about how come Malaysia Chinese is better than our Chinese, while they are also good in English, while they are also good in Malay. Then come back here, use Malaysia's methods to improve our Chinese.

    No need to do that as there is no real tangible benefits.   Low Thia Khiang represents the Chinese school community.  

    My understanding is most younger Singaporeans not that interested in becoming that good in Chinese.  Those who are really interested would enroll for CL1 classes in secondary schools and in JCs.   Our schools here in Singapore prepare for us to be better in English.  The decline in Chinese standard in Singapore is due to elimination of Chinese schools (and most people only enrolling in CL2 classes ) rather than not knowing how to teach in Chinese.   

    I found out from the book about Chiam See Tong that LKY was the one who actually eliminated NanDa (Nanyang University that conducted classes in Chinese) against the advise of the PAP dominated Cabinet in 1980.  Before that, Malaysians were coming to Singapore to enroll in our Chinese university.