[openBVE] North South Line [SB: JUR to BSH]

• jerryonhere

  28 Dec 09, 11:27

  Originally posted by joeyfjj:

  And you deleted my e-mail address

  address is --. I am not revaling

  but you forgot to delete it from the originally posted by joeyfjj box!!

  address is ---. I am not

  :-p

  Oops.

• joeyfjj

  28 Dec 09, 15:15

  North-South Line Unofficial Release Version 0.1.20091228 Release2

  I have made a route file, based on v0.6 (Christmas Edition) of jerryonhere's North-South Line.

  Features added/removed since v0.6

  • Features BBT to CCK only. Extension following soon.
  • Added new curves and tweaked existing ones and re-coded in more accurate distances.
  • EDIT: Tunnel after Bukit Batok moved forward.
  • EDIT: Tunnel added at crossing of Choa Chu Kang Avenue 1.

  Download(s)

  Latest Version: 0.1.20091228 release2
  From: http://sites.google.com/site/joeyfjj/downloads/trainsimulations
  File Name: North South Line BBT - CCK 0.1.20091228 release2.csv

  Comments are welcome, reply or PM me.

• Samuel Lee

  28 Dec 09, 20:22

  Originally posted by joeyfjj:

  1. That's the reason Jurong East isn't implemented.

  2. [Track.Curve] Negative values indicate a curve to the left, positive ones to the right.

  3. It's ATS/the safety system's job... See http://openbve.trainsimcentral.co.uk/develop/tutorial_ats.html , Setting up a route for the use of accidental departure transponders

  1: .By changing the code to

   

  Ground 1,.Height 9.back 0,.railtype 0;1,.sta NS1 Jurong East; 09.0700;09.0710;1;1;0;;;7;7;;0,
  .railstart 1;-20;0;1,
  .railstart 2;20;0;1,

   

  will add a 3rd track and start from it. But the problem is the middle track goes down and split into 2. There might need to modify the .railstart to remove "extra tracks" or using .railstart 2;-20;0;1, and .railstart 3;20;0;1, where the one in bold is just an index for the Westbound and Eastbound platform respectively. (May add .railstart 4;40;0;1, for the new platform after JEMP completed) (And 0 is running track, 1 will be the one for "return trip" that has merged with 0 on approaching Jurong East)

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 17:32

  Let's focus on pre-JEMP layout.

  Here's a pic: http://joeyfjj.freehostia.com/imghost/JurongEast_BVE.jpg

  Orange is rail '0', north-bound NSL.
  Red is rail '1', the south-bound NSL.
  Purple is rail 2, crossovers.
  Blue is west-bound EWL.
  Green is east-bound EWL.
  Dotted means in station with platform.

  6 Tracks.

  And you need to specify the height too. I might do it-I might not...

• Samuel Lee

  29 Dec 09, 21:10

  Originally posted by joeyfjj:

  Let's focus on pre-JEMP layout.

  Here's a pic: http://joeyfjj.freehostia.com/imghost/JurongEast_BVE.jpg

  Orange is rail '0', north-bound NSL.
  Red is rail '1', the south-bound NSL.
  Purple is rail 2, crossovers.
  Blue is west-bound EWL.
  Green is east-bound EWL.
  Dotted means in station with platform.

  6 Tracks.

  And you need to specify the height too. I might do it-I might not...

  Haha, I see. I do not know how to do crossovers and only know how to do tracks that parallel throughout (not all 6 tracks including 2 crossovers parallel throughout). Maybe I will wait for you (Or any other people who know how to implement it) or someone teach me how.

   

  By the way, why focus on Pre-JEMP because it is going to be done by 2011 and can the people here expects the whole main line (North South and East West Line) route is completed by 2011 and after it, the route probably must change again?

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 21:27

  Originally posted by Samuel Lee:

  [...W]hy focus on Pre-JEMP because it is going to be done by 2011[...]

  
  Because "it is going to be done by 2011" and I don't have satillite imagery of that!

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 21:33

  On a separate note, I think the signage in Singapore uses rotis.
  EDIT - rotis is a font type, not in any way related to bread.

• nenepokey

  29 Dec 09, 21:55

  Originally posted by Samuel Lee:

  Haha, I see. I do not know how to do crossovers and only know how to do tracks that parallel throughout (not all 6 tracks including 2 crossovers parallel throughout). Maybe I will wait for you (Or any other people who know how to implement it) or someone teach me how.

   

  By the way, why focus on Pre-JEMP because it is going to be done by 2011 and can the people here expects the whole main line (North South and East West Line) route is completed by 2011 and after it, the route probably must change again?

  u cannot use ur brain is it? who knows how the place is like after the whole project is complate, and that it is way less than 25% completed now? u so clever u go do it la!

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 22:19

  Originally posted by nenepokey:

  u cannot use ur brain is it? who knows how the place is like after the whole project is complate, and that it is way less than 25% completed now? u so clever u go do it la!

  
  I have to say I don't approve of your language, and that it will be pre-PSD (platform screen doors) until some one (maybe me...) makes it.

• jcqh

  29 Dec 09, 22:24

  Oh no, with the new platform at Jurong East, I doubt it'll be easy to camp at JUR anymore

  Have to change venue in the future... CTH or RFP perhaps.

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 22:26

  Originally posted by jcqh:

  Oh no, with the new platform at Jurong East, I doubt it'll be easy to camp at JUR anymore

  Have to change venue in the future... CTH or RFP perhaps.

   

  Oh no, with the new platform at Jurong East, I doubt it'll be easy to code it into BVE anymore

  Have to change terminal station in the future... Bukit Batok and Marina Bay perhaps.

• Samuel Lee

  29 Dec 09, 22:34

  In the case that i have created some trouble, here is the image by forumer E5
  
  http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2080/topics/323874?page=5 (This links to the JEMP on train forums)

   

  I was more concern of recoding stuffs and avoid much hassle in future if it possible to implement it now and no need some people to call me someone who never use brain.

   

  According to someone's logic Government (Leaders of company as well) also never use brain because they never know what their country (Company) would be after 10 years, 50 years and they do some planning in years advance.

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 22:47

  Repeat post - See below.

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 22:49

  North-South Line Unofficial Release Information

  Version 0.2.20091230 Progress Update

  Expect beta release 0.2.20091230 tomorrow, extending this route up to Kranji...

  Long-term Milestones

  After this release, I might...

  Projected Goals (1 being the highest priority)

  1. Extend beyond Kranji, in steps.
  2. Pre-JEMP Jurong East
  3. Implement more tunnels
  4. Add diverging/converging tracks
  5. Station objects/More detailed station buildings
  6. Underground PSDs
  7. Overground PSDs
  8. Pre-JEMP Jurong East
  9. Post-JEMP Jurong East

  Or should I do Jurong East Pre- and Post-JEMP before going beyond Kranji?

• Samuel Lee

  29 Dec 09, 22:54

  Originally posted by joeyfjj:

  North-South Line Unofficial Release Information

  Version 0.2.20091230 Progress Update

  Expect beta release 0.2.20091230 tomorrow, extending this route up to Kranji...

  Long-term Milestones

  After this release, I might...

  Projected Goals (1 being the highest priority)

  1. Extend beyond Kranji, in steps.
  2. Pre-JEMP Jurong East
  3. Implement more tunnels
  4. Add diverging/converging tracks
  5. Station objects/More detailed station buildings
  6. Underground PSDs
  7. Overground PSDs
  8. Pre-JEMP Jurong East
  9. Post-JEMP Jurong East

  Or should I do Jurong East Pre- and Post-JEMP before going beyond Kranji?

  Do Pre JEMP then beyond Kranji. (The next logical destination is Kranji - Yishun, but the minimal shortest should be Kranji - Woodlands)

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 22:58

  Originally posted by Samuel Lee:

  In the case that i have created some trouble, here is the image by forumer E5
  
  http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2080/topics/323874?page=5 (This links to the JEMP on train forums)

   

  I was more concern of recoding stuffs and avoid much hassle in future if it possible to implement it now and no need some people to call me someone who never use brain.

   

  According to someone's logic Government (Leaders of company as well) also never use brain because they never know what their country (Company) would be after 10 years, 50 years and they do some planning in years advance.

  
  1. No trouble, no trouble.

  2a. I'll forward code it V0.2 onwards (Starting the route at position (say for example) 1000) so the extension can be coded afterwards.

  2b. I agree.

  3a. I do not agree. Let's keep this forum friendly and about BVE!

  3b. Please ignore that unfriendly post and feel free to contact a Mod and/or (not recommended) a lawyer.

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 23:00

  Originally posted by Samuel Lee:

  Do Pre JEMP then beyond Kranji. (The next logical destination is Kranji - Yishun, but the minimal shortest should be Kranji - Woodlands)

  
  Jurong East First 1-0 Kranji And Beyond

  Any more votes? Closing date tomorrow, 3:00pm HK/SG time!

  I'm doing Yew Tee to Kranji first. It's half done already...

  EDIT: Should I start a new topic?

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 23:02

  Here's my logic:

  Jurong East Pre-JEMP comes first, then PSDs, then JEMP.

• Samuel Lee

  29 Dec 09, 23:07

  Originally posted by joeyfjj:

  Here's my logic:

  Jurong East Pre-JEMP comes first, then PSDs, then JEMP.

  PSDs looked more like station interior to me.

   

  JEMP can base on E5's post but I forgot to ask him how he so sure of that (I drew from what I saw, but ppl said there is a return track so that there will not be a super cross over train -- that has a nick of North South East West Line, the link got details for that)

• SBS7322B

  29 Dec 09, 23:16

  Sorry to interrupt your kind of conversation but I think you are kind of building on someone else's work which is by right, breaking the copyright law.

  First of all, have you all asked the original maker of this route, jerryonhere, permission that you are building on his route? He can actually sue you if he applied copyright for this like what HK developers do.

  Secondly, what makes you think that making a route is so easy? I believe jerryonhere had did his part on making the viaducts and everything. It's very hard for him and you are using his work. Think before you contribute.

• joeyfjj

  29 Dec 09, 23:18

  http://app.lta.gov.sg/corp_press_content.asp?start=1964

  But no definite blueprints/plans.

  EDIT: http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/JEMP%20Annex%202.pdf also...

• Samuel Lee

  29 Dec 09, 23:28

  Originally posted by SBS7322B:

  Sorry to interrupt your kind of conversation but I think you are kind of building on someone else's work which is by right, breaking the copyright law.

  First of all, have you all asked the original maker of this route, jerryonhere, permission that you are building on his route? He can actually sue you if he applied copyright for this like what HK developers do.

  Secondly, what makes you think that making a route is so easy? I believe jerryonhere had did his part on making the viaducts and everything. It's very hard for him and you are using his work. Think before you contribute.

  Look on page 3 http://bve.sgforums.com/forums/3146/topics/369842?page=3

   

• SBS7322B

  29 Dec 09, 23:31

  Originally posted by Samuel Lee:

  Look on page 3 http://bve.sgforums.com/forums/3146/topics/369842?page=3

   

  Ok..... I see I see. 

• joeyfjj

  30 Dec 09, 15:11

  Originally posted by SBS7322B:

  Sorry to interrupt your kind of conversation but I think you are kind of building on someone else's work which is by right, breaking the copyright law.

  First of all, have you all asked the original maker of this route, jerryonhere, permission that you are building on his route? He can actually sue you if he applied copyright for this like what HK developers do.

  Secondly, what makes you think that making a route is so easy? I believe jerryonhere had did his part on making the viaducts and everything. It's very hard for him and you are using his work. Think before you contribute.

  
  In reply to paragraph:

  1. I take copyright issues seriously and I have seek his consent before this release.

  2. I have - and I will provide evidence. Here's a portion of my WL Messenger conversation with jerryonhere... http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx120/joeyfjj/NslUr-Permission.png

  3. I understand how hard it is, and it is an joint effort - I make and tweak, he review and double-check.

• jerryonhere

  30 Dec 09, 16:04

  Originally posted by joeyfjj:

  
  In reply to paragraph:

  1. I take copyright issues seriously and I have seek his consent before this release.

  2. I have - and I will provide evidence. Here's a portion of my WL Messenger conversation with jerryonhere... http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx120/joeyfjj/NslUr-Permission.png

  3. I understand how hard it is, and it is an joint effort - I make and tweak, he review and double-check.

  As long as there is permission given from me, it won't be too much of a hassle.