IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM Dawnfirstlight !! - 27 Aug '11 7:18pm
Dear Forumers,
It is a NO NO to chant �食真言at home. I know an old monk who was very close to the late Master Hong Choon（�船�法师). He told me that never never chant �食真言mantra at home. He also advised me not to listen to youtube or CD about this mantra at home.
Reason being we are not monks or nuns, some ghosts can be very fierce and they will insist that you do it everyday for them. If not, they will create havoc in your house and refuse to leave. This mantra can only be chanted in the temples. He said we are lay buddhists, we do not know how to handle these ghosts. Ghosts are like humans, some are good and some are bad.
Though some shifu say it is ok but what the old monk said make sense to me.
切记�切记�Don't get yourself into unnecessary trouble.
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At a dharma discussion, one man talked about �食真言 which I came to realise it's a mantra which can help the hungry ghosts/shades to have food...
I did chanted this mantra before... but I didn't go and find out more about it
what fascinated me was.... in the dharma discussion, the hungry ghosts have different levels of suffering too... some can "eat" if food is offered, some with heavier evil karma can only "eat" food that is discarded... some even worse, which I have read before: 倒悬 any food the ghost touch will burn into ashes... even the tongue can burn the food into ashes before he can taste it...
I googled for more information and read this interesting website from Master CK.
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Amituofo...
Previously, I'd read about this mantra to make food edible for hungry ghosts.
Some say that we should never mess with "inviting hungry ghosts" because they may well decide not to leave. However, I've also read the personal testimonials of those who've practised such rituals at home on a regular basis, and they say there is no basis for such fear. According to them, the ritual to make food edible for hungry ghosts is a meritorious act, because beings from this realm really have to go hungry unless mantras are recited on their behalf.
Have you tried it yourself at home?
What do other forummers think about this? Any thoughts and experiences?
well i never tried it at home...
Only came to understand this mantra after 1+ year ago -.-"
Don't you have fear seeing them...? Albeit a compassionate act.
Maybe next year i will try, at 7th month, when I am at my void deck offering food...
I hope this thread focus on compassion, not the supernatural side.
Originally posted by 2009novice:well i never tried it at home...
Only came to understand this mantra after 1+ year ago -.-"
Don't you have fear seeing them...? Albeit a compassionate act.
Maybe next year i will try, at 7th month, when I am at my void deck offering food...
I hope this thread focus on compassion, not the supernatural side.
Agreed. As MCK said in the Q&A above, it's the sincerity and the generosity when making such offerings and reciting these mantras that matter.
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In fact, I also learnt another simple method which some people use daily.
Should we have any leftover food from our 3 meals, we can simply chant "Om Mani Padme Hung" and request that the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara (Guan Yin) help make the leftovers edible to those in the Hungry Ghost realm. The leftovers could be just some grains of rice or a little bit of milk or soup... it doesn't matter.
This helps us develop generosity.
Originally posted by realization:In fact, I also learnt another simple method which some people use daily.
Should we have any leftover food from our 3 meals, we can simply chant "Om Mani Padme Hung" and request that the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara (Guan Yin) help make the leftovers edible to those in the Hungry Ghost realm. The leftovers could be just some grains of rice or a little bit of milk or soup... it doesn't matter.
This helps us develop generosity.
nice... but I loled when I got this visual in my mind... sitting at the restaurant with my palms together... chanting "Om Mani Padme Hung" or �食真言 :P
just joking ar...
leftover food ? em i think u need to burn the food and recite the mantra so they can benefit from it. as i normally saw my brother and his Tibetan master did. they burn biscuits and dry food. if don't burn, i'm not sure it'll work.
i used to remember the mantra and hand gesture, but forgotten:
�食真言(三�或七�) NAN MO SA WA DA TA YE DUO. WA LU ZHI DI. OM SAN BO LA HONG
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Originally posted by sinweiy:leftover food ? em i think u need to burn the food and recite the mantra so they can benefit from it. as i normally saw my brother and his Tibetan master did. they burn biscuits and dry food. if don't burn, i'm not sure it'll work.
i used to remember the mantra and hand gesture, but forgotten:
�食真言(三�或七�) NAN MO SA WA DA TA YE DUO. WA LU ZHI DI. OM SAN BO LA HONG
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As taught by Hai Tao fashi, there's no need to burn the food. The mantra and the ideation is sufficient.
I watched a Youtube on it before. I saw them use a spray bottle to spray water into the air while reciting a mantra; and that's supposed to be converted into 甘露 for those in the Hungry Ghost realm. Haven't tried it though.
ya ok. i checked with him too, burning is also smoke offering. no need to burn. anyway water also cannot burn. :D
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Are u telling me a ghost with no body needs food?
fortunately
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Dear Forumers,
It is a NO NO to chant �食真言at home. I know an old monk who was very close to the late Master Hong Choon（�船�法师). He told me that never never chant �食真言mantra at home. He also advised me not to listen to youtube or CD about this mantra at home.
Reason being we are not monks or nuns, some ghosts can be very fierce and they will insist that you do it everyday for them. If not, they will create havoc in your house and refuse to leave. This mantra can only be chanted in the temples. He said we are lay buddhists, we do not know how to handle these ghosts. Ghosts are like humans, some are good and some are bad.
Though some shifu say it is ok but what the old monk said make sense to me.
切记�切记�Don't get yourself into unnecessary trouble.
i concur with Dawn.
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OK, I have modified the top post to reflect Dawn1stlight's message of warning.
Please see.
then the 开咽喉真言, �食真言, 甘露水真言 mantras i quoted should be learn when reciting in a group.
i heard one from a well known master is that don't helped unnecessary stray animal/pets until they like u very much too. bad ghost hurt u. these animal (next life) attach on u. so attached, wait u cannot attain rebirth in PL.
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THX alot Dawn...
Seems like my fear can be justified afterall...
Originally posted by sinweiy:fortunately
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I see... never seen this before.
but most of the meat we eat are processed already... consciousness should be long gone...? (refering to �肉往生咒)
i think long gone also can work.
ever heard of the 金光明沙? it can be place on the bones/ashes of past ancestors. and they can still benefit from it, no matter what realms they are.
thus heard.
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Originally posted by Bio-Hawk:Are u telling me a ghost with no body needs food?
Yes. Ghosts need food. Those with 3rd eye can explain to you better.
Originally posted by sinweiy:i think long gone also can work.
ever heard of the 金光明沙? it can be place on the bones/ashes of past ancestors. and they can still benefit from it, no matter what realms they are.
thus heard.
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yes heard before... it comes together with reborn-blanket
Last time got Master Shen Kai's student during visualizing rice for ghost, he got distracted, and thought of his clothes button.
The ghosts ate clothes button as a result, and all complained to my Master.
This is dangerous for an untrained.
Originally posted by Domo Kun:I got a question also.
Let’s say I play NAMO AMTF at home , will ghosts come and listen to the chanting ?
Last time I played Heart Sutra casette, got ghost come and listen and even sought help from me. I and my mother dedicated merits to the ghost.
Yes all, please listen to advice and do not try "fang yan kou " or try feeding the spirit yourself ... if you havent reached purity of mind , whatever problem of spirit will disturb your future work and career .