The Fall of Shu Kingdom
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do u think wat is the main cause of their downfall?
they have the most charima ruler, liu bei, 5 tiger generals n advisor like kong ming n pang tong. why is it dat they fail n always the underdogs comparing to other two kingdoms? -
cos zhao yun go and save liu chan....
that was when everything started falling apart
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cos they no money. i think.Originally posted by 798:do u think wat is the main cause of their downfall?
they have the most charima ruler, liu bei, 5 tiger generals n advisor like kong ming n pang tong. why is it dat they fail n always the underdogs comparing to other two kingdoms? -
ah dou aka liu bei's son!Originally posted by 798:do u think wat is the main cause of their downfall?
they have the most charima ruler, liu bei, 5 tiger generals n advisor like kong ming n pang tong. why is it dat they fail n always the underdogs comparing to other two kingdoms?
if kong ming take over the seat like wat liu bei told him that if his son cannot make it he can take over, but he is too loyal!
jiang wei fight till the end and inheirt zhu ge liang tactic but all because of ah dou's useless! -
somehow agree wif u.Originally posted by Father Lim:cos zhao yun go and save liu chan....
that was when everything started falling apart 
but maybe liu bei threw the baby n he become retarded.
"Fu Bu Qi De A Dou"
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based on all the cartoon and movie i watched b4... i think it's due to Liu Bei ...management problem if u give all those general to Cao Cao... wah.. the world is his already
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if i'm not wrong, ma chao n wang zhong died in a fierce battle rite?
dat was one of the liu bei's impulsive decision for trying to take revenge for his two brothers. -
oic paiseh.
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liu bei is the type cry cry, then pple take pity of him den they follow him.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):based on all the cartoon and movie i watched b4... i think it's due to Liu Bei ...management problem if u give all those general to Cao Cao... wah.. the world is his already
guess even he may not have guang yu's wisdom or strength, he has integrities n honour not to invade his relative kingdom. -
their kingdom is called Shu-Han...Originally posted by HyuugaNeji:they fall because they want to establish a new kindom called shu kingdom. Should have continued and call themselves the han kingdom.
cos that time emperor already overthrown by Cao Cao...
hence, Shu for the territory they are in and Han for the continuation... -
I think the fallen of Shu have to be directed at Jiang Wei. He is the obvious choice to suceed Kong ming yet he lack the traits of cunning (Sima Yi), Boldness (Guan Yu), charisma (Zhou Yu) and heartless (Dong Zhuo). or else i think the history of china will change
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first time he met guan yu and zhang fei he start crying already.. talking abt reform the government and stuff..Originally posted by 798:liu bei is the type cry cry, then pple take pity of him den they follow him.
guess even he may not have guang yu's wisdom or strength, he has integrities n honour not to invade his relative kingdom.
he's good with his words i can say -
i think at dat time, the ruler was a-dou n he was a corrupt n useless ruler who only know how to flirt n neglect his kingdom.Originally posted by yourfavouritefriend:I think the fallen of Shu have to be directed at Jiang Wei. He is the obvious choice to suceed Kong ming yet he lack the traits of cunning (Sima Yi), Boldness (Guan Yu), charisma (Zhou Yu) and heartless (Dong Zhuo). or else i think the history of china will change
dat's why Jiang Wei cannot carried his role smoothly. -
exactly.. got one time he almost win the war but have to withdrawn due to ah dou's stupid decision..Originally posted by 798:i think at dat time, the ruler was a-dou n he was a corrupt n useless ruler who only know how to flirt n neglect his kingdom.
dat's why Jiang Wei cannot carried his role smoothly.
in the end? he collaborate with someone i forgot who and got chacne to win.. but forgot wat happened and stab himself to death when surrounded.
and ah dou? he surrendered.. -
there are many examples througout history that the follower becomes leader. Jiang Wei knows that Ah-dou is a useless ruler yet he submitted to him. That's the distinguish difference between him and Cao Cao
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Actually ah dou had a stupid eunuch... when Deng Ai was close to the shu kingdom,Jiang wei told ah dou to give him a troop of an army to defend the capital but ah dou listened to the eunuch advise for him to seek the fortune teller's help and ignore jiang wei's orders. So I think a dou is just misled by a farker eunuch.
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Maybe Jiang Wei should overthrow Ah-Dou/Liu Chan...but that will be very bad name for him as he will not be a loyal person le... and if he succeed in overthrowing, then the kingdom cannot be named Shu-Han anymore cause his surname is not Liu....
