EPL ~ Manchester United vs Tottenham Hotspur - Oct 30
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Nani must have known Gomes thought it was a free kick.
Why the hack would Gomes have rolled the ball out when Nani was right behind him anyways.
It's similar to the one Liverpool scored against Sunderland if anyone here can recall. Kuyt's goal.
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WA nani smart.
Nw i understand the whole thing LOL. newspapper going to splash everything on this match liao -
It should have been a United penalty and a sending off of Kaboul for hauling Nani onto ground anyway had the referee put on his specs.
I was watching the highlights of the penalty shout when suddenly the picture was cut and Nani was seen celebrating.
I was like "WTF just happened?"
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
Nani must have known Gomes thought it was a free kick.
Why the hack would Gomes have rolled the ball out when Nani was right behind him anyways.
It's similar to the one Liverpool scored against Sunderland if anyone here can recall. Kuyt's goal.
Exactly. And even if it was to be a freekick, it should be where Nani was lying, not so much further in front.
Obviously Gomes cock up and tried to put the blame on the referee.
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Let me explain what happened... And for the fact that it should have been a penalty, I do not think it's poor sportsmanship since the defender manhandled nani. The slow replay clearly showed the defender tugging nani back and given nani small frame, the tugging is alot of force pulling him back.
Anyway, here's what happened. The goalkeeper thought it was a free kick. So he rolled the ball out. BUT, it's NOT a freekick. Since it's not a free kick, it has to be a GOALKICK. So goal kick means if the goalkeeper roll the ball out, it's resumed into play. Nani simply went to tap the ball into the net and since it's in play, it's a goal.
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
Nani must have known Gomes thought it was a free kick.
Why the hack would Gomes have rolled the ball out when Nani was right behind him anyways.
It's similar to the one Liverpool scored against Sunderland if anyone here can recall. Kuyt's goal.
This one lor.
http://soccer-portal.org/cat/goal-of-the-day/3470-dirk-kuyt-goal-v-sunderland.html
I'd put it as bad sportsmanship. Same as Nani's today.
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Originally posted by CKeer:
It should have been a United penalty and a sending off of Kaboul for hauling Nani onto ground anyway had the referee put on his specs.
I was watching the highlights of the penalty shout when suddenly the picture was cut and Nani was seen celebrating.
I was like "WTF just happened?"
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
Nani must have known Gomes thought it was a free kick.
Why the hack would Gomes have rolled the ball out when Nani was right behind him anyways.
It's similar to the one Liverpool scored against Sunderland if anyone here can recall. Kuyt's goal.
yes yes yes its similar.
sunderland thought its a fk and torres took it and pass it to kuyt
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Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:
Let me explain what happened... And for the fact that it should have been a penalty, I do not think it's poor sportsmanship since the defender manhandled nani. The slow replay clearly showed the defender tugging nani back and given nani small frame, the tugging is alot of force pulling him back.
Anyway, here's what happened. The goalkeeper thought it was a free kick. So he rolled the ball out. BUT, it's NOT a freekick. Since it's not a free kick, it has to be a GOALKICK. So goal kick means if the goalkeeper roll the ball out, it's resumed into play. Nani simply went to tap the ball into the net and since it's in play, it's a goal.
It is actually not a freekick and neither is it a goalkick.
The referee probably thought since Gomes scoop up the ball, might as well play advantage (Nani handled the ball on the ground) and let the game continue. So the series of events happened.
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Why did the assistant have his flag up does anyone know?
Saw this while Nani was celebrating with Hernandez.
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
Why did the assistant have his flag up does anyone know?
Saw this while Nani was celebrating with Hernandez.
I believe he thought the goal should be disallowed as he thought it was a freekick for Nani's handling of the ball on the ground. He probably thought the referee has given a freekick which in fact Clattenburg did not award any, he simply allow the play to continue.
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Originally posted by CKeer:
I believe he thought the goal should be disallowed as he thought it was a freekick for Nani's handling of the ball on the ground. He probably thought the referee has given a freekick which in fact Clattenburg did not award any, he simply allow the play to continue.
Even the linesman doesn't know what his tao kay was doing.Can't wait to see the manager's comments after this.
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Ferguson: Gomes to blame for bizarre Nani goal
Sir Alex Ferguson believes Tottenham goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes was to blame for Manchester United's controversial second goal in their 2-0 win over Tottenham, claiming the Brazilian "should have known better''.
Nani poked home the goal after 84 minutes after Gomes had placed the ball down, seemingly thinking his side had been awarded a free-kick in his area.
Nani, who had appealed for a penalty moments earlier, then swooped to score and, after referee Mark Clattenburg consulted with his assistant, the goal was awarded to spark furious protests from the Tottenham players.
"It was bizarre," Ferguson told ESPN. "No-one knew at the time what was wrong. One minute the goalkeeper had the ball in his hands and next it's in his net. Nani looked back and looked at the referee and the referee said play on, so what can he do but put the ball in the net.
"You can look at the referee and look at the linesmen and blame them, but the goalkeeper should know better. He's an experienced goalkeeper. I thought he made a mess of it. I thought it was a penalty first of all and I think Nani felt he handled the ball. But the referee didn't blow for it.
"The referee played on because the goalkeeper took possession of the ball. He then went to take a free-kick thinking it was a foul. He made an error.''
Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp vented his anger at referee Clattenburg, claiming the official had failed to spot a handball by Nani, which led to Gomes believing Spurs had won a free-kick.
"It was handball. He put his hand on the ball and dragged it down,'' Redknapp said. "He should have been booked. The referee didn't see him handball it, that's why he's allowed play to go on. The assistant referee has seen it, that's why he's flagged.
"He's (Clattenburg) gone over and he's told him what he did, he should disallow the goal. He's handled the ball. If he's handled the ball he should be booked and it's a free-kick. So Gomes put the ball down for a free-kick.
"If you look at (Darren) Fletcher he's called Nani to get back into position because he thinks we're going to counter attack from the free-kick. Gomes puts the ball down to take a free-kick. It's obvious. Why would he stand there and leave the ball there after he saw him handball it?''
Redknapp said his side may have been able to claim a point if the goal had been disallowed, despite the fact they had already trailed to Nemanja Vidic's first-half header.
"You never know, the game lasts 90 minutes,'' Redknapp said. You dont know, we're one down we may get another opportunity to score. You don't know.''
Fletcher offered a third viewpoint - from on the pitch - saying that the referee had failed to whistle for a foul. As a result he said Nani was left with no option but to tap the ball into the unguarded net.
"The referee never blew. I don't know whether the goalkeeper thought the referee had seen a foul for simulation, but he never blew his whistle,'' he said. "The goalie puts it down and then Nani puts the ball in the net.
"It's one of those where nobody really knows what's happened, but Nani has no option other than to put the ball in the net. He's got the opportunity to score - he's got to score. We are always told to play to the whistle.''
soccernet.
Funny that both have different views on the linesman flagging.
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what? another controversy in favour of man u again??
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Nothing to do with man utd.
Its between gomes and the ref.
Nani did what he had to do as a professional.
And i know alot of people going to say ref kelong help man utd, yawns, everytime man utd win is ref kelong, yawns.
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And fyi, the linesman never flag when nani score the goal.
He only flag when the spurs player went to protest to him.
So, conclusion is gomes fault because nobody says its a free kick.
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never mind what anyone thinks.
the important thing is man u won.
thats what you want to say right?
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this is my take:
referee was in two minds when he saw Nani go down.....to award a penalty or not. He chose the latter. He saw Nani handle the ball as he went down and by right, he should award Nani a yellow and a free kick to Spurs. Perhaps he wasn't sure if he had made a wrong decision on not awarding the penalty, so he felt hesitant to book Nani too.
Imo, the first person to cork up is mark clattenburg. He didnt award a legitimate penalty and when he's made his decision not to, he failed to book Nani for clear handball. This also confused Gomes, who subsequently screwed up by not playing to the whistle.
I have often seen players getting fouled and putting their hands on the ball while still on the ground. Then the ref upon seeing that, blows for foul in favour of that player. It's that little bit of the game which the ref normally turns a blind eye to. By right, the whistle should be blown before anyone handles the ball.
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Having said that, i think carrick must be suffering a loss of confidence. And he disappears from the game as usual, doesnt stamp his mark the way he should as a midfielder. Berba seems to be recapturing the form he had last year lol, pun intended of course.
I think from now, hope i'm correct, man u will stop leaking goals on evidence of their defensive performance over the last two games.
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I thought Rafael handled Bale very well... Which I was quite surprised... He matched Spurs man of the moment flying winger Bale every step of the way... What a great defender considering the price they paid for him... And Spurs seem to lost the way once Vdv left the pitch...
And on the Nani's goal which everyone seem to have an opinion... lol.
Well, mine is... From all the different angles of the camera... First of all, that was an obvious penatly and a yellow card offence which the referee not sure why didn't see or gave... Nani had his hand on the ball for a very short moment which Gomes quickly scoop it up into his own hands... All this while that ref didn't blow his whistle to indicate anything for I think he was hoping to get the game going as soon as possible so as to move away from a penalty appeal from the United players... But Gomes strangely drops the ball then push it a little further then step a long way back... Nani got up and went towards the ball not having heard any whistle being blown by the ref... And this part I think it's very important, from the back angle of the tv camera, the ref could clearly be seen putting both his hands up in a fashion like asking what's going on or something and why is the match not continuing? Nani was clearly seen asking the ref is the match still live or has it stop and the ref seemed to indicate he never stop the match...
I have seen a lot of times when a referee not wanting to give a penalty rightly so or not, wants the match to continue so as not to have players coming up to him to protest... So in this case, United actually deserved a penalty but was deny and Spurs keeper read the match wrongly... On hindsight, Gomes could have waited for Nani to move away before dropping the ball or taken it as soon as he drop it down onto the ground...
I think it's very unfortune for United to even be in this stupid controversy in the first place... If anything the referee did poorly was, a good United display against Spurs was rob by a moment of confusion by a referee's interpretation of the situation... A penalty and a sending off for the Spurs defender would have gone quietly into the night and I don't think many could argue with it... Instead this will now be talk about for years to come...
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and those non-man utd fans will say ref help man utd.get real,u stupid non -man utd fans.
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Park was playing like Utd's version of VDV.
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Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:
Park was playing like Utd's version of VDV.
Yeah, he was doing quite poor recently then last night he suddenly became alive again... lol. -
It's a goal! Mark Clattenburg and his assistant are remonstrated with by Ferdinand
Deja vu: Huddlestone celebrates his controversial strike at Fulham two weeks ago
Ferdinand has hit back at Tottenham supporters over their reaction to Nani's controversial second goal in United's 2-0 win over Harry Redknapp's side yesterday.
The Portugal winger took full advantage of goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes' confusion over referee Mark Clattenburg's failure to award Spurs a free-kick after he handled the ball inside the box.
Gomes was unaware Clattenburg chose to award Spurs the advantage instead of blowing up for a free-kick - which left Nani with the simplest task of rolling into an empty net.
Ferdinand was seen remonstrating with the Clattenburg and his linesman after it looked as if the officials would chalk off the strike.
Spurs supporters are furious Ferdinand was allowed to put his point of view across to the officials.
The scenes were similar to what happened at Craven Cottage two weeks ago when Tom Huddlestone pleaded with referee Mike Dean to award his goal against Fulham when linesman Martin Lerby originally ruled the strike out for offside.
And Ferdinand said on his Twitter page: 'You Spurs fans weren't piping up when you were at Fulham and Tom Huddlestone got into the linesman and ref about his goal when it could have been offside?'
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i should say
disallowed?
nani bought down and handball ... which he thot penalty
like that hor.. can counted as foul
epic...