EPL - Liverpool vs Manchester United - Oct 25
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Originally posted by youyayu:
i hope they don't get into CL zzzzzz
i am sick of watching Liverpoo VS Chelsea
Hahaha... Liverpool vs Chelsea ... part... 9 & 10? lol -
i think they kelong one
where got so heng 3 years in a row also liverpool vs chelsea
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Originally posted by limpper:
true luh
but still i want rafael and the yanks out
Cannot throw Rafa out... If you give him enough time, he probably will lead them to the title one day... -
Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
That foul on carrick should be a penalty though. Liverpool got away with it.
Saw that, and it should
I guess the ball is round, MU had luck with the ref and now it's Pool's turn.
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well done to Pool, they were the better team..
Vidic is getting into a habit of getting red cards whenever facing Pool.
Hmm, it seems both Vidic or Rio are having problems with Torres.. maybe a collectively effort but it seems, MU defence got tore apart.
I think SAF did something right later, by putting Giggs in Central, and Nani as left Wing. More creativity/Pace that way.
well, SAF, bet u regret calling someone unfit right?? Kanna Pawned.
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my thoughts for the game...generally the team was off form last night
we were kind lacking in creativity.and the strength in central midfield is lacking.We were sorely missing the presence of fletcher who would run round the park with us.
Carrick as usual is quite poor..haven really pick up his form yet.Valencia was anonymous most of the game.Couldn't beat defenders for god sake,nani could do better but needs more consistency.Giggs gd form seems to go out of steam for us.
Its sometimes really frustrating to watch berbatov,this man could wow you with his touches for a few seconds and goes down easily and don't fight for the ball like a man...just goes down or let the opposition muscle the ball out of his way..frustrating.He don't fight for the ball..
Rooney's quiet.For all due respect to oshea,he's no united quality...gd enough to cover up for odd matches here & there but to cement the DR berth permanently?.no way.He's too slow..and poor positioning.Vidic n Rio still looks shaky till now...hope they can pick up and regain their confidence real soon..VDS was great..with the saves..but could do much with the 2goals
We should re-org ourselves and start picking up agst blackburn next week..arsenal beat them 6-1,chelsea 5-0,i hope we can pick up a respectable result of our team's stature.. -
it's all pyschological...
when u lost 4 games on the trot and the media keeps pressurising you, the hunger to prove them wrong this time is simply great and it's a coincidence that the team having to face that brunt is Man Utd.. both teams equal in prowess but it was liverpool that had that desperate hunger to win last night to prove their detractors wrong...
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Originally posted by F.raon.I.R:
my thoughts for the game...generally the team was off form last night
we were kind lacking in creativity.and the strength in central midfield is lacking.We were sorely missing the presence of fletcher who would run round the park with us.
Carrick as usual is quite poor..haven really pick up his form yet.Valencia was anonymous most of the game.Couldn't beat defenders for god sake,nani could do better but needs more consistency.Giggs gd form seems to go out of steam for us.
Its sometimes really frustrating to watch berbatov,this man could wow you with his touches for a few seconds and goes down easily and don't fight for the ball like a man...just goes down or let the opposition muscle the ball out of his way..frustrating.He don't fight for the ball..
Rooney's quiet.For all due respect to oshea,he's no united quality...gd enough to cover up for odd matches here & there but to cement the DR berth permanently?.no way.He's too slow..and poor positioning.Vidic n Rio still looks shaky till now...hope they can pick up and regain their confidence real soon..VDS was great..with the saves..but could do much with the 2goals
We should re-org ourselves and start picking up agst blackburn next week..arsenal beat them 6-1,chelsea 5-0,i hope we can pick up a respectable result of our team's stature..my thoughts -> well, credit to Pool la, they fought for every ball, even forcing Scholes to commit a backpass that luckily did not lead to a goal. And they had a gameplan, whenever MU counter attack, they would swarm our pacy guys to stop the attack which works brillantly.
All passes from MU were contested, and they had to even rush some passes. Rooney was covered well by Carragher, and while Berba did try to do his magic, it seems he has not established a good r/s and had had a few mis-passes to no-one where normally, a Valencia/Oshea will be there to support. I think he manged to hold the ball, and basically, he tried.
And Rio/Vidic just can't handle Torres. I feel, given he is the spearhead, collectively, MU should swarm him, but given his mobility, pace, it was a challenge. Evans may have done better, but a hard-nose defender, like Vidic just wasn't the right man to mark Torres, and sadly, he has 3 reds to proof this theory (indirectly).
Well, the only sour-taste, was the ref. I smiled when I see certain individuals not being booked despite repetitive fouling (gosh, do I sound like Wenger, haha). Maybe, that would have ease the pressure, but when they foul, foul, foul and foul, and the ref, just turns the other way, it is a bit hard. And I think the captain does have some priviledges. Just felt, maybe, it could have been a penalty, plus a red card.
Well, we all learnt from SAF that you just can't bare your feelings about the ref, cause it will bite you back in a big way (A knight got pawned, the headlines, luv it?). So.. hopefully, MU does better overseas when things may be more neutral.. :)
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My thoughts on this match are, Basically, United did ok and rather well too cos least we forget, this was Anfield and Pool were really pump up for it... And the 2 owners were there with their families as well. But they are not going to be there every week...
On the defence, I think we should not blame it totally as they did very well in my opinion... They are still the only defence not to concede in set plays. The problem in this match was mainly the weak midfield... It didn't do enough thats why the defence came under more pressure then usual... Rio and Vidic did very well in cutting out most of Pool's crosses into the box areas.
It was the midfield that didn't win the 50 / 50 balls that gave pool the chance to create the goal... Like i have said even before the match started... Giggs, Scholes and Carrick together lack speed and toughness... On a night when Pool were really going for it, United should have had more steel in the midfield... It was a pity Fletcher was not available for this but at least have Anderson instead of Carrick cos I hardly notice Carrick in the first half at all... Was he even playing... lol
Scholes was easily rob be Lucas early in the first half and only the poor quality shot from Kuyt didn't see Pool take an early lead... United could have had an equalizer towards the end when Valencia hit the bar... Had that gone in, Pool's players spirit would have deflated as well like a balloon...
And again on the Carragher part, its clear the referee got it wrong. Cos if we watch where Owen was, had he gone through, he would be in the same position where he scored against City... So we have to wonder about the referee's judgement...
But overall, I think its not a big deal to United cos this was still an away match... And if i am honest, i would still rather be in United's position than in Pool's.
Rafa's problems could be how is he going to motivate the players when they come up against perceive weaker opponents? I think he didn't need to do much for this as the players could motivate themselves for it... But when the weaker ones comes along, I won't be too surprise if they drop points against Fulham or City next 2 weeks...
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Originally posted by zocoss:
My thoughts on this match are, Basically, United did ok and rather well too cos least we forget, this was Anfield and Pool were really pump up for it... And the 2 owners were there with their families as well. But they are not going to be there every week...
On the defence, I think we should not blame it totally as they did very well in my opinion... They are still the only defence not to concede in set plays. The problem in this match was mainly the weak midfield... It didn't do enough thats why the defence came under more pressure then usual... Rio and Vidic did very well in cutting out most of Pool's crosses into the box areas.
It was the midfield that didn't win the 50 / 50 balls that gave pool the chance to create the goal... Like i have said even before the match started... Giggs, Scholes and Carrick together lack speed and toughness... On a night when Pool were really going for it, United should have had more steel in the midfield... It was a pity Fletcher was not available for this but at least have Anderson instead of Carrick cos I hardly notice Carrick in the first half at all... Was he even playing... lol
Scholes was easily rob be Lucas early in the first half and only the poor quality shot from Kuyt didn't see Pool take an early lead... United could have had an equalizer towards the end when Valencia hit the bar... Had that gone in, Pool's players spirit would have deflated as well like a balloon...
And again on the Carragher part, its clear the referee got it wrong. Cos if we watch where Owen was, had he gone through, he would be in the same position where he scored against City... So we have to wonder about the referee's judgement...
But overall, I think its not a big deal to United cos this was still an away match... And if i am honest, i would still rather be in United's position than in Pool's.
Rafa's problems could be how is he going to motivate the players when they come up against perceive weaker opponents? I think he didn't need to do much for this as the players could motivate themselves for it... But when the weaker ones comes along, I won't be too surprise if they drop points against Fulham or City next 2 weeks...
I echo most of what U said esp MF. It was exposed for speed. Fletcher would have make a better impact. cause I think primarily Scholes/Carrick's role was to deliver the ball forward. but they pressured them so well, they can't go anywhere..
But then, the ref did encourage Pool's players to be more aggressive with MU. That has a big impact on MF too.
Valenica's influence is slowly growing. Good signs..
As for MU, let's hope that it stir them to do better.
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Originally posted by zocoss:
Cannot throw Rafa out... If you give him enough time, he probably will lead them to the title one day...
even if he gets the treble this seasoni want him and the yanks out. no more room for neg
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on my way home, saw a couple wearing liverpool jersey lol. I bet today a lot of liverpool fans wore their jerseys to schools and outside.
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I was wondering why anderson was not playing in the second half?
fergie should have played 4-5-1, with an extra midfield since it is at anfield, an away match. giggs still have uses, like taking free kicks and corner kicks and his accurate passing, but scholes? sadly he really looks his 35 years of age. time to not to play him often in the league or play him in cup and CL matches.
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ok a bad day in office yesterday. time to look forward to this weekend match against BB at home and next week away to chelsea. cant afford another defeat against chelsea 2 weeks from now.
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usually when one team lost , lots of question will be asked ....
Why this ?
Why that ?
Shouldn't it be this ....be that .....
It's a good approach for the next game .
To play Anderson is not my opinion a good choice , cos SAF wanted a taller team to face Liverpool , a teams consists of better header .
Cos this season , Liverpool has got massive problems handling those set pieces .
But SAF forgotten , Liverpool to avoid losing on set pieces , they must avoid infringements in those sensitive areas .
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by the way torres.is a good striker.. but he BERY EASY fall down...Ref always award free kick to the other party...but not a yellow card.
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haiz
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Originally posted by Poolman:
usually when one team lost , lots of question will be asked ....
Why this ?
Why that ?
Shouldn't it be this ....be that .....
It's a good approach for the next game .
To play Anderson is not my opinion a good choice , cos SAF wanted a taller team to face Liverpool , a teams consists of better header .
Cos this season , Liverpool has got massive problems handling those set pieces .
But SAF forgotten , Liverpool to avoid losing on set pieces , they must avoid infringements in those sensitive areas .
oh... can I add a why?? why no fletcher huh?? I think MU "lost" a lot when he was not playing, and he has become quite a player for MU.
Liverpool avoiding infringements in those sensitive areas?? Well, allow me to quote wenger "the ref is generous"..
anyway, moving on..