EPL ~ Manchester United vs Arsenal - Apr 13
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I think Pique need to be send out on loan for next season... But to another premier league side and not some Spanish team... He need to learn and gain more experience on how to defend in the Premier league or United can sell him for $3m in June...
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Originally posted by jonchao72:
yay i want to go! provided i got no tests... :(
btw wheres the crab shack?
TNP got put the location, the NP on the day before the match.
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Originally posted by zocoss:
I think Pique need to be send out on loan for next season... But to another premier league side and not some Spanish team... He need to learn and gain more experience on how to defend in the Premier league or United can sell him for $3m in June...
Fully agree! preferably in a team with a weak backline.. pretty sure sunderland would welcome him with open arms. and btw... well done wigan!
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Originally posted by zocoss:
What happen to you... why you gone for so long... Anyway, welcome back...
Doing part-time studies now...cum working. Will die man! But I still catch all Utd matches! And also drop by now and then here
U guys still doing a great job! :)
I'm looking fwd to our 2nd consecutive EPL title...
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Originally posted by tripsky:
Fully agree! preferably in a team with a weak backline.. pretty sure sunderland would welcome him with open arms. and btw... well done wigan!
Didn't he went out to loan in the LaLiga? I think if he is loaned, he will move for a transfer..Already, there is talk of him going back to Barca.
To be fair, he is not tactically astute/aware as Rio or Vidic, he was caught out a few times in the Gunners games.But isn't that the learning curve? If he continues to perform well, I believe slowly, but surely, he will improve.
Do we sell or keep buying? Cause Rio/Vidic is also not getting any younger leh.
Also if we loan him out, we will need to rely on Brown or Oshea to plug the gaps again.
Rem, Brown has not signed a contract yet..but the good news is that Neville is coming back with Silverstre.
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oh, another thing I note, was how Rio called the team back after Ronaldo scored the penalty...
if was as if he was saying "come on, let's get the 2nd goal to kill off Gunners".. I think that was really encouraging..
I think this capello's effect is rubbing on english players.. can even see Rooney slowly maturing.
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and how I wish tevez's shot to go in.. hardly see him unleash.. and honestly, did not know he got such a shot..
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If he is going to play for United in the future, its better that he goes on loan to another Premiership club cos the defending style and the speed of the game would be quite similar... Going to another La Liga side won't really improve on the necessary experience that he clearly lacks... To be honest, he is quite our very own version of Senderos at Arsenal... If he is not happy with a loan deal to improve himself, then I say selling him for anything around $2m wouldn't be a real lost... Cos we won't want him to cos us like at Bolton again or like how Senderos has caused Arsenal... Its not worth it...
If Vidic cost $7m and Evra $6m... Buying another better than him defender shouldn't be too difficult... And since him being Spanish, thats the only reason i can think why Barce want him back... so if they are willing to offer who knows, $3, 4, 5 million... Then i say hurry sell, that amount can get you a better defender in Europe for sure...
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United are all the more exciting for their fallibility
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/04/15/united_are_all_the_more_exciti.html
We will never know how Manchester United would have coped this season with the same number of injuries as Chelsea but Arsenal made them look mortal at Old Trafford
Kevin McCarra
April 15, 2008 1:31 AMJust how good are Manchester United? There have been times this season when that sentence might have ended instead with an adulatory exclamation mark. The 2-1 victory over Arsenal did, however, raise it as a genuine question. It took grit for United to recover from a goal behind but their opponents were accomplices in the comeback. The handball offence for the equalising goal from the penalty spot was a screwball moment from William Gallas.
Every advantage lay with a well-rested United, who had fine-tuned themselves by letting a diluted line-up get on with the chore of knocking Roma out of the Champions League the previous Wednesday. In consequence there was no excuse for shedding possession so often against Arsenal as the visitors, in spells, left United wheezing. Had Emmanuel Adebayor been as good at finding the net with his feet as he was, unintentionally, with his arm, the situation could have been beyond recovery.
The resilience and quality of United over the entire campaign is, of course, to be admired and their goal difference is comfortably the best of the 92 senior clubs in England. There is no disputing the temperament of the players either, not when Owen Hargreaves can settle the match against Arsenal with a feathery touch from a free-kick when sheer tension could have made him clumsy. It would be thrawn, as well, to query Cristiano Ronaldo while his goal hoard makes him so influential, even if the going for the winger never looks so smooth against, say, Arsenal or Chelsea.
As it faltered, though, Arsène Wenger's side still highlighted the mortality of the supposed demi-gods of Old Trafford. Though the large squad has been a critical advantage for United over Arsenal, the visitors destroyed any notion that Ferguson's line-up is impregnable. There is strength in numbers but that does not make a side utterly unassailable.
Though Ferguson added Hargreaves, Carlos Tevez, Anderson and Nani last summer, that does not mean he has a complete set of answers. Team selection turns into a treacherous task when options proliferate and the manager did not quite get it right on Sunday. With the movement so fast and elusive from Arsenal, the contest was beyond the reach of the 33-year-old Paul Scholes. Elsewhere the industrious Park Ji-sung seemed short of the necessary accomplishment for this game. He and Scholes were both substituted.
The jubilation at the close was all the more intense because United had reached their target on a wing and a prayer, rather than through effortless excellence. Victory was cobbled together. Ferguson will rather like that but it ought to deter the rest of us from assuming that they are really above the fray. Where might they be now if their squad had been as racked by injury as Chelsea's? The mere lack of Nemanja Vidic for two or three weeks suffices to make United queasy.
Despite the investment United will have to take nine points from the four remaining League games simply to equal last season's total. Football is a knotty business and not all problems are unpicked even by the affluent clubs. There are always idiosyncrasies. Wayne Rooney, for instance, has evolved into a more mature footballer of steadier temperament, yet his conversion of straightforward chances is less steady than it was when he was a hot-headed youth at Everton. That can hurt United when he is the lone striker.
It takes so little to foil grand aspirations. A year ago United were chastened when their injuries and Milan's capacity to rise to the occasion brought defeat in the Champions League. Ferguson realises that his team's record in that competition is out of kilter with the club's gilded image. The rest of us may view Barcelona as hapless bunglers under the control of a manager, Frank Rijkaard, who no longer has the ear of his own players. At Old Trafford, though, Ferguson will fret that the opposition might be inspired at Camp Nou next week by a Champions League semi-final with such a ring to it.
So far as the Premier League goes, United have the edge over Chelsea but the hazards continue to be significant. At a deeper level all this should be to Ferguson's liking. Despite the real advantage of being able to afford a profusion of accomplished footballers, doubts are never eradicated entirely.
United have been outstanding since they started to warm to their task in the autumn but that does not make them a side of a wholly different order from all others. Infallible line-ups are a figment of the imagination.
The thrill for the world at large and, perhaps, for the players themselves, lies in the fact that desolation is almost as close as glory itself.
Quite a good read!
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Originally posted by zocoss:
If he is going to play for United in the future, its better that he goes on loan to another Premiership club cos the defending style and the speed of the game would be quite similar... Going to another La Liga side won't really improve on the necessary experience that he clearly lacks... To be honest, he is quite our very own version of Senderos at Arsenal... If he is not happy with a loan deal to improve himself, then I say selling him for anything around $2m wouldn't be a real lost... Cos we won't want him to cos us like at Bolton again or like how Senderos has caused Arsenal... Its not worth it...
If Vidic cost $7m and Evra $6m... Buying another better than him defender shouldn't be too difficult... And since him being Spanish, thats the only reason i can think why Barce want him back... so if they are willing to offer who knows, $3, 4, 5 million... Then i say hurry sell, that amount can get you a better defender in Europe for sure...
okie, see your point.
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Originally posted by iceFatboy:
Didn't he went out to loan in the LaLiga? I think if he is loaned, he will move for a transfer..Already, there is talk of him going back to Barca.
To be fair, he is not tactically astute/aware as Rio or Vidic, he was caught out a few times in the Gunners games.But isn't that the learning curve? If he continues to perform well, I believe slowly, but surely, he will improve.
Do we sell or keep buying? Cause Rio/Vidic is also not getting any younger leh.
Also if we loan him out, we will need to rely on Brown or Oshea to plug the gaps again.
Rem, Brown has not signed a contract yet..but the good news is that Neville is coming back with Silverstre.
i was pretty surprise how hleb got past him with ease... and overall i feel he needs to play at a higher gear. goin out onloan to an english club would help him to adpt to the pace of the english league.. and the thing abt man utd is actually they prefer to play a settled back four.. ferguson himself stated it many times... that is why i don't see pique playing much next season if both rio and vidic are fit...
saf wanted to use him in the carling cup but unfortunately we got knocked out pretty early. as a defender... the margin for error is very small... after the error he commited against bolton he was not been utilise for a long time... even oshea got infront of him. since we can't afford many games for him to proof himself... loaning him out to a relegation fighting bpl team is the best option. he would be severly tested in every game and i expect to see him take charge at the back. would prefer not to sell him... i see him as a long term replacement for rio.
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hleb is one with extraordinary close quarters dribbling skills.. actually, it is a good test for MUFC cause messi plays about the same, with the ball glued to their feet.
all teams love to play with a settled team but sometimes, we need replacements to come in, and without proper exposure, the replacements may not rise to occassion and kill off the team's plans.
however, I am unsure whether teams will take players on loan, and nuture them for your team leh.
Normally, why would other teams take loaned players unless short?
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hmm keane took evans and another guy to sunderland during their championship race ....so why not ?
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Originally posted by Sienx:
hmm keane took evans and another guy to sunderland during their championship race ....so why not ?
yea lets loan pique out to sunderland.. keane's being doing not too bad himself this season :D
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Originally posted by thoreldan:
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Originally posted by thoreldan:
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hahahahaha
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Originally posted by thoreldan:
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Of the 4, i think Wenger looked the funniest...
Fab looked like he is about to sh it in his pants...
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Originally posted by thoreldan:
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Boh pic liao.