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Hello, I have a question regarding melting points of HI vs HCl
I know that melting point of HI is higher, is this due to the greater size of HI/number of electrons, less impact nuclear charge has on charge distribution hence greater polarizibility of electrons , leading to greater magnitude of partial charges on HI compared to HCl?
But the electronegativity difference of HCl is greater than HI, so what effect does this have on the strength of the Van der Waals forces?
Originally posted by Jh2424:Hello, I have a question regarding melting points of HI vs HCl
I know that melting point of HI is higher, is this due to the greater size of HI/number of electrons, less impact nuclear charge has on charge distribution hence greater polarizibility of electrons , leading to greater magnitude of partial charges on HI compared to HCl?
But the electronegativity difference of HCl is greater than HI, so what effect does this have on the strength of the Van der Waals forces?
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
The magnitude of electronegativity difference, ie. polarity, has the opposite effect (ie. for the same molecular size and no. of electrons, the more polar the molecule, the stronger the intermolecular van der Waals interactions) but is strongly outweighed by the greater molecular size and no. of electrons, and hence polarizability of electron charge clouds and hence the magnitudes of partial charges and dipoles, hence strength of the van der Waals interactions, for HI over HCl. Consequently and concordantly, all factors considered, HI has a higher melting and boiling point compared to HCl.
You mentioned 'the more polar the molecule, the stronger the intermolecular van der Waals interactions' Which van der Waals interactions are you talking about?( permanent dipole or instantaneous-induced dipole)
And do you mean that you can only consider electronegativity difference if both molecules have same molecular size/electrons?
Originally posted by Jh2424:You mentioned 'the more polar the molecule, the stronger the intermolecular van der Waals interactions' Which van der Waals interactions are you talking about?( permanent dipole or instantaneous-induced dipole)
And do you mean that you can only consider electronegativity difference if both molecules have same molecular size/electrons?
Anytime a polar molecule is involved, all 3 types of van der Waals interactions are relevant : Keesom, Debye, and London Dispersion forces.
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
Yes, of course.Anytime a polar molecule is involved, all 3 types of van der Waals interactions are relevant : Keesom, Debye, and London Dispersion forces.
Thank you so much :)
Originally posted by Jh2424:Thank you so much :)
You mentioned that you're a 2017 J1 student, implying you're now self-studying the A level syllabus before school begins.
Are you from a top 5 JC, a middle-tier JC, or a neighbourhood JC?
You intend to self-study all the way, not intending to join any tuition for H2 Chem, correct?
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
No prob.You mentioned that you're a 2017 J1 student, implying you're now self-studying the A level syllabus before school begins.
Are you from a top 5 JC, a middle-tier JC, or a neighbourhood JC?
You intend to self-study all the way, not intending to join any tuition for H2 Chem, correct?
I've actually just finished my O levels, currently self-studying as ive nothing much to do anyway, and judging from my papers, im most likely going to a mid tier- neighbourhood jc
Regarding tuition, i might go for it actually, as based on my self-studying, i feel that im pretty slow :(
Originally posted by Jh2424:i feel that im pretty slow :(
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
Wut ._.
Originally posted by Jh2424:Wut ._.
Sorry, i have another query regarding the abovementioned issue
Then in the case where electronegativity does play a role ( both molecules are of same size) then what actually happens?(as in does partial charges get stronger or something else comes into play)
Originally posted by Jh2424:Sorry, i have another query regarding the abovementioned issue
Then in the case where electronegativity does play a role ( both molecules are of same size) then what actually happens?(as in does partial charges get stronger or something else comes into play)
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
Yes, of course. That's why (assuming similar molecular size) the more polar the molecule, the higher the melting & boiling points.
Many thanks:)
Hello, I have a question, how exactly does a non-polar solvent dissolve a non-polar solute?
Originally posted by Jh2424:Hello, I have a question, how exactly does a non-polar solvent dissolve a non-polar solute?
In terms of enthalpy change (delta H), heat released is comparable with heat absorbed (overall enthalpy change preferably exothermic, but can be slightly endothermic), in terms of physical interactions (van der Waals, and if applicable, hydrogen bonds or ionic bonds) formed and broken.
In terms of entropy change (delta S), there will be a favourable positive entropy change upon mixing.
Overall quantitatively, Gibbs free energy change must be negative for the dissolving to be thermodynamically favourable, according to the formula delta G = delta H - T x delta S.
When you (ie. all students using this forum) ask me qns, and if you don't fully understand my replies, I won't spoonfeed you on the forum, so you'll have to research it further online (Google by thy sword, Wikipedia be thy shield), and/or ask your school teacher or private tutor, and/or join my BedokFunland JC tuition for more detailed, personalized guidance.
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
Whether the solute and solvent are polar or non-polar, the same consideration below applies. It's just that "like dissolves like" is a shortcut guideline that usually works.In terms of enthalpy change (delta H), heat released is comparable with heat absorbed (overall enthalpy change preferably exothermic, but can be slightly endothermic), in terms of physical interactions (van der Waals, and if applicable, hydrogen bonds or ionic bonds) formed and broken.
In terms of entropy change (delta S), there will be a favourable positive entropy change upon mixing.
Overall quantitatively, Gibbs free energy must be negative for the dissolving to be thermodynamically favourable, according to the formula delta G = delta H - T x delta S.
When you (ie. all students using this forum) ask me qns, and if you don't fully understand my replies, I won't spoonfeed you on the forum, so you'll have to research it further online (Google by thy sword, Wikipedia be thy shield), and/or ask your school teacher or private tutor, and/or join my BedokFunland JC tuition for more detailed, personalized guidance.
So the 'energy' explaination for why something dissolves is more relevant than describing the physical process?( like how the polar water molecules pulls away the NaCl crystals)
Originally posted by Jh2424:So the 'energy' explaination for why something dissolves is more relevant than describing the physical process?( like how the polar water molecules pulls away the NaCl crystals)
Originally posted by UltimaOnline:
Of course, because the physical process is able to occur only because the overall thermodynamics is favourable enough to allow it.
Oh I see.. Thanks :)