Mobo & Ram
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Hey guys, need expert help again.
1. Was told that by DEFAULT, all mobo will detect 1866 & above ram at the maximum speed of 1333 even if you install a 1866 ram, anything above 1333 will have to do the oc in order to take its full advantage, is it true ?
2. Window 7 Professional Edition, there is an XP mode included, was told that not all my existing softwares will be able to run on my new Window 7 Professional, reason is becos some of my old softwares are designed on 32bit system, is it true ?
3. Any good ram to introduce ? No Kingston pls, any stable & reliable name to intro ?
Pls advise, thanks guy !
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1. Wrong. All RAM are by default 800/1006/1333. actual default setting depend on the CPU you use. those RAM that say 1600/1866/2000 are those that "might be" better quality and can reach those speeds. To reach the speed, you must manually overclock the RAM.
2. There's no XP mode. Just compatibilty mode.Just right-click any program and click properties. Under the compatibility tab, you can choose the compatibility type mode you want.
3. Why no kingston RAM? they are as good as any other RAM. Don't let the ratings 1333/1600/1866 fool you into thinking kingston is lousy.
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First question:
1333 is the default speed that the ram chips would run.1866 is the max speed that it can run. you would have to OC in order to take advantage of it. On how to OC, I do not know about the specifics. I'm not a know it all. Sorry.
Second Question:
As for Windows 7 Professional edition /Enterprise/ Ultimate. THERE is XP mode.
It's partially true in the way you reason. Windows 7 has 32bit and 64bit operating systems.Thus most of your old softwares designed on 32bit should work on Windows 7 (32 or 64bit). However if those softwares are written to run in an earlier version of Windows (Such as Windows 98 for example) then there might be some issues and you can either choose to:
-Use XP mode (a virtual PC software) - that allows you to run more than one Window from Windows 7. Once launched it will be exactly the same as Windows XP (interface), with full network and usb options.You can just close it or alt tab to get back to Windows 7 easily. I don't exactly use it though, but it's an useful addition especially in the registering of my general elective modules where the only browser supported is Internet explorer (the IE9 on my W7, is alittle buggy)
Xp mode isn't by default installed in Windows 7 professional. It's a free add on though.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
-Use the compatibility mode - after a programme is installed, right click over the icon (step1), then click on "properties" (step 2), and the "compatibility tab" (step 3). Select the operating system that runs well with your program, and it should work.
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Originally posted by Call4ljw:
1. Wrong. All RAM are by default 800/1006/1333. actual default setting depend on the CPU you use. those RAM that say 1600/1866/2000 are those that "might be" better quality and can reach those speeds. To reach the speed, you must manually overclock the RAM.
2. There's no XP mode. Just compatibilty mode.Just right-click any program and click properties. Under the compatibility tab, you can choose the compatibility type mode you want.
3. Why no kingston RAM? they are as good as any other RAM. Don't let the ratings 1333/1600/1866 fool you into thinking kingston is lousy.
thanks for the info buddy, appreciate that.
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Originally posted by kenn3th:
First question:
1333 is the default speed that the ram chips would run.1866 is the max speed that it can run. you would have to OC in order to take advantage of it. On how to OC, I do not know about the specifics. I'm not a know it all. Sorry.
Second Question:
As for Windows 7 Professional edition /Enterprise/ Ultimate. THERE is XP mode.
It's partially true in the way you reason. Windows 7 has 32bit and 64bit operating systems.Thus most of your old softwares designed on 32bit should work on Windows 7 (32 or 64bit). However if those softwares are written to run in an earlier version of Windows (Such as Windows 98 for example) then there might be some issues and you can either choose to:
-Use XP mode (a virtual PC software) - that allows you to run more than one Window from Windows 7. Once launched it will be exactly the same as Windows XP (interface), with full network and usb options.You can just close it or alt tab to get back to Windows 7 easily. I don't exactly use it though, but it's an useful addition especially in the registering of my general elective modules where the only browser supported is Internet explorer (the IE9 on my W7, is alittle buggy)
Xp mode isn't by default installed in Windows 7 professional. It's a free add on though.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
-Use the compatibility mode - after a programme is installed, right click over the icon (step1), then click on "properties" (step 2), and the "compatibility tab" (step 3). Select the operating system that runs well with your program, and it should work.
actually I almost bought the Win 7 Professional edition but not too sure whether my old softwares works on Win 7 thus still having a second thought on it.
thanks for sharing the knowledge guys, tks.
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Most of the time Home Edition is enough.
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Originally posted by kenn3th:
First question:
1333 is the default speed that the ram chips would run.1866 is the max speed that it can run. you would have to OC in order to take advantage of it. On how to OC, I do not know about the specifics. I'm not a know it all. Sorry.
Second Question:
As for Windows 7 Professional edition /Enterprise/ Ultimate. THERE is XP mode.
It's partially true in the way you reason. Windows 7 has 32bit and 64bit operating systems.Thus most of your old softwares designed on 32bit should work on Windows 7 (32 or 64bit). However if those softwares are written to run in an earlier version of Windows (Such as Windows 98 for example) then there might be some issues and you can either choose to:
-Use XP mode (a virtual PC software) - that allows you to run more than one Window from Windows 7. Once launched it will be exactly the same as Windows XP (interface), with full network and usb options.You can just close it or alt tab to get back to Windows 7 easily. I don't exactly use it though, but it's an useful addition especially in the registering of my general elective modules where the only browser supported is Internet explorer (the IE9 on my W7, is alittle buggy)
Xp mode isn't by default installed in Windows 7 professional. It's a free add on though.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
-Use the compatibility mode - after a programme is installed, right click over the icon (step1), then click on "properties" (step 2), and the "compatibility tab" (step 3). Select the operating system that runs well with your program, and it should work.
Wrong, 1333 is not the default speed.It depends on the CPU you are using.
If you use atom/ulv mobile, it will be 800.
If you use bloomfield, it will be 1066.
If you use lynnfield, it will be 1333.
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Need to clarify one issue regarding 32-bit, 64-bit and Windows 7.
32-bit and 64-bit has no relation to XP mode in Windows 7.
A bit of history for XP mode in Windows 7. When Vista launched earlier, quite a lot of softwares could not work on Vista. Many companies thus decided to stay with XP. Windows 7 is basically building on Vista, thus to avoid this issue, Microsoft introduced XP mode. This would allow softwares that could not work on Vista and above to continue working on a Windows 7 machine.
By doing so, it has one main advantage - no additional code just to maintain backward compatibility with XP. For users, this would mean faster boot times, lesser errors encountered and lesser bugs. Probably lesser security concerns.
32-bit and 64-bit are still software-related, but is dependent on your hardware. If you buy a 64-bit hardware, you can run both 32-bit and 64-bit softwares. If you buy a 32-bit hardware, you cannot run 64-bit softwares.
Think of 32-bit and 64-bit as finite car lanes. Assuming that there's one car per lane, you can have 32 cars for 32 lanes (32-bit). Likewise for 64-bit (64 cars). 32 is smaller than 64, thus it fits in very well. But 64 is way larger than 32, it doesn't fit in, thus 64-bit softwares can't run on 32-bit machines. XP mode will not help you in this regard.
If your software is designed to be run only on 64-bit machines, you will not be able to run this software on 32-bit machine. You need a 64-bit machine, with 64-bit Windows installed to run the software. If it's designed to run on 32-bit machine, it may run on a 64-bit machine (no guarantee, you can try, if it doesn't work, you will need to run it on a 32-bit machine).
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Originally posted by Call4ljw:
Wrong, 1333 is not the default speed.It depends on the CPU you are using.
If you use atom/ulv mobile, it will be 800.
If you use bloomfield, it will be 1066.
If you use lynnfield, it will be 1333.
I'm saying by context, 1333 would be the default speed. Not saying all will be 1333.
Stop trying to prove other people wrong, and pick faults on other's knowledge when you have misguided many forumers here on many occasions with wrong information - like Windows Xp mode.
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Originally posted by kenn3th:
I'm saying by context, 1333 would be the default speed. Not saying all will be 1333.
Stop trying to prove other people wrong, and pick faults on other's knowledge when you have misguided many forumers here on many occasions with wrong information - like Windows Xp mode.
That's exactly what you said. -,- lol and now you push blame to me. -,-
wrong information on XP mode, but i did provide what the TS wanted, that is enough.
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Originally posted by Call4ljw:
That's exactly what you said. -,- lol and now you push blame to me. -,-
wrong information on XP mode, but i did provide what the TS wanted, that is enough.
I said it on the context of 1333 to 1866. Why 1333 is default.
I don't have an issue with you in person. But I do have an issue with how you condemm others, mislead them with your wrong knowledge and blast them when they say a wrong statement. This is a forum for people to get help, not for you to knit pick on others when they are asking questions and saying "wrong".
As a tech student you should know very well.. shouldn't you.
Stop trying to prove other people wrong, and pick faults on other's knowledge when you have misguided many forumers here on many occasions with wrong information - like Windows Xp mod
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
Need to clarify one issue regarding 32-bit, 64-bit and Windows 7.
32-bit and 64-bit has no relation to XP mode in Windows 7.
A bit of history for XP mode in Windows 7. When Vista launched earlier, quite a lot of softwares could not work on Vista. Many companies thus decided to stay with XP. Windows 7 is basically building on Vista, thus to avoid this issue, Microsoft introduced XP mode. This would allow softwares that could not work on Vista and above to continue working on a Windows 7 machine.
By doing so, it has one main advantage - no additional code just to maintain backward compatibility with XP. For users, this would mean faster boot times, lesser errors encountered and lesser bugs. Probably lesser security concerns.
32-bit and 64-bit are still software-related, but is dependent on your hardware. If you buy a 64-bit hardware, you can run both 32-bit and 64-bit softwares. If you buy a 32-bit hardware, you cannot run 64-bit softwares.
Think of 32-bit and 64-bit as finite car lanes. Assuming that there's one car per lane, you can have 32 cars for 32 lanes (32-bit). Likewise for 64-bit (64 cars). 32 is smaller than 64, thus it fits in very well. But 64 is way larger than 32, it doesn't fit in, thus 64-bit softwares can't run on 32-bit machines. XP mode will not help you in this regard.
If your software is designed to be run only on 64-bit machines, you will not be able to run this software on 32-bit machine. You need a 64-bit machine, with 64-bit Windows installed to run the software. If it's designed to run on 32-bit machine, it may run on a 64-bit machine (no guarantee, you can try, if it doesn't work, you will need to run it on a 32-bit machine).
Hi mayi,
How would one knows if this is a 32bit or 64bit software, how to check/identify since we have so many softwares bought years ago ?
Pls advise, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Hi mayi,
How would one knows if this is a 32bit or 64bit software, how to check/identify since we have so many softwares bought years ago ?
Pls advise, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
If you want to know if the particular software is 32-bit or 64-bit, you can do a check on the manufacturer's page or use Google. Though usually, consumer software tend to be 32-bit for maximum compatibility with all systems.
You shouldn't have problems using 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system. I've been using 64-bit OSes for quite sometime, Vista/Windows 7 and Ubuntu, and the only problems I experience are stuff written for the age of technological dinosaurs: programs written in 16-bit.
And regarding your first questions:
1. RAM sticks store their timings and speed information on a chip on the RAM. This chip stores their SPD data, or Serial Presence Detect. There are different types of SPD timings, namely JEDEC SPD (Industry standard), Intel Extreme Memory Profile (Or XMP), AMD Black Edition Memory Profile (or BEMP) and NVidia Enhanced Performance Profile (Or EPP).
RAM sticks of 1333MHz and below use JEDEC timings, and are guaranteed to work at their rated speeds on any motherboard. Speeds of 1600MHz and above typically use one of the special memory profiles to reach their rated speed, but are guaranteed to work on any motherboard at the JEDEC timings.
An example would be my Team Xtreem LV 1600. It has JEDEC timings of 1333MHz and 1066MHz, but also supports XMP speeds of 1600MHz on a compatible motherboard. However, my motherboard doesn't support XMP, so it runs at 1333MHz by default. If I had an Intel motherboard supporting XMP, the RAM would already run at 1600MHz.
2: Answer above there somewhere :P
3. Corsair is a trusted name out there, very reliable and high quality. Alternatively, you can go for Crucial, G.Skill or Team Group. These are the companies I trust and I'm happy with.
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Originally posted by kenn3th:
I said it on the context of 1333 to 1866. Why 1333 is default.
I don't have an issue with you in person. But I do have an issue with how you condemm others, mislead them with your wrong knowledge and blast them when they say a wrong statement. This is a forum for people to get help, not for you to knit pick on others when they are asking questions and saying "wrong".
As a tech student you should know very well.. shouldn't you.
So you still planning to push the blame to me lo.
I'm just correcting you, i didn't in any way, blast you.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Hi mayi,
How would one knows if this is a 32bit or 64bit software, how to check/identify since we have so many softwares bought years ago ?
Pls advise, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
It will be stated on the software box if it's 32-bit or 64-bit, or on the receipt. I believe companies keep a receipt or transaction somewhere, so you can check with your Accounting department if the software box has been lost.
As a general guide, softwares that are meant for client PC (that means they are not servers) and bought before end of 2008 are typically 32-bit. As for servers, they tend migrate faster than PCs, so softwares bought after 2007/2008 could be 64-bit. Again, you can check with the Accounting dept if the software box is lost. Alternatively, if you can access the server, opening up the system properties will tell you which version of software has been installed. 64-bit installed --> machine is 64-bit.
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Originally posted by Call4ljw:
So you still planning to push the blame to me lo.
I'm just correcting you, i didn't in any way, blast you.
Friend, I have been here for 5 years. You can read how I deal with others. If I had made a mistake, I would admit.
Why should I try to push the blame on you?
If you refuse to take constructive critisim on the way you interact with others from forumers, you get issues - step on the tails of others who are trying to help, trying to seek help.
Issues like your flamewar with SBS7484P. They don't happen all without a reason.
Think about it.
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Off topic issue should best be settled elsewhere, not in TS thread.
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Originally posted by kenn3th:
Friend, I have been here for 5 years. You can read how I deal with others. If I had made a mistake, I would admit.
Why should I try to push the blame on you?
If you refuse to take constructive critisim on the way you interact with others from forumers, you get issues - step on the tails of others who are trying to help, trying to seek help.
Issues like your flamewar with SBS7484P. They don't happen all without a reason.
Think about it.
If i dont accept critism, i wouldn't admit my wrong on the XP mode side.
But default 1333 is what you said, anyone can scroll up and see, i'm not finding fault.
There's a difference between correction and critism you know.
BTW, that flamewar was just a misunderstanding, but yours, i scroll up see can le.
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did TS started a Mobocracy Rampage?
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As stated, please continue off topic discussions elsewhere.
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WRONG you just don't get it. - Do you like getting such a reply?
I doubt so, and this is my point I have been trying to prove here.
Indeed there's a difference between correction and critism, when one places them both together, it would be critism during correction, which is unfavourable in any environment.
My intention is not to flame but to avocate friendly exchanges of information and knowledge in this forum. Many of your posts have been like this, and I have to step in.
As for by context, I will explain it to you once and for all in a more elaborated fashion
by Context, 1333 is the default speed, while 1866 is the max speed.
The meaning of by context is towards the phrasing of the question. if you ask about the colour of the apples like a green apple (default), and green apple (max). I answer green is default speed, red is max - which is the way i explained and replied in the thread.
However, I know that there ARE different types of apples which i will name them, 800, 1066, and 1333.
Further more you have already explained it above in your previous reply before mine, so is it wrong of me to explain by context then, rather than repeating almost everything what you said?
I apologise to fattyman for the inconvinence caused.
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
It will be stated on the software box if it's 32-bit or 64-bit, or on the receipt. I believe companies keep a receipt or transaction somewhere, so you can check with your Accounting department if the software box has been lost.
As a general guide, softwares that are meant for client PC (that means they are not servers) and bought before end of 2008 are typically 32-bit. As for servers, they tend migrate faster than PCs, so softwares bought after 2007/2008 could be 64-bit. Again, you can check with the Accounting dept if the software box is lost. Alternatively, if you can access the server, opening up the system properties will tell you which version of software has been installed. 64-bit installed --> machine is 64-bit.
Hi mayi,
thanks for the input, tks for sharing your knowledge, appreciate that.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
If you want to know if the particular software is 32-bit or 64-bit, you can do a check on the manufacturer's page or use Google. Though usually, consumer software tend to be 32-bit for maximum compatibility with all systems.
You shouldn't have problems using 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system. I've been using 64-bit OSes for quite sometime, Vista/Windows 7 and Ubuntu, and the only problems I experience are stuff written for the age of technological dinosaurs: programs written in 16-bit.
And regarding your first questions:
1. RAM sticks store their timings and speed information on a chip on the RAM. This chip stores their SPD data, or Serial Presence Detect. There are different types of SPD timings, namely JEDEC SPD (Industry standard), Intel Extreme Memory Profile (Or XMP), AMD Black Edition Memory Profile (or BEMP) and NVidia Enhanced Performance Profile (Or EPP).
RAM sticks of 1333MHz and below use JEDEC timings, and are guaranteed to work at their rated speeds on any motherboard. Speeds of 1600MHz and above typically use one of the special memory profiles to reach their rated speed, but are guaranteed to work on any motherboard at the JEDEC timings.
An example would be my Team Xtreem LV 1600. It has JEDEC timings of 1333MHz and 1066MHz, but also supports XMP speeds of 1600MHz on a compatible motherboard. However, my motherboard doesn't support XMP, so it runs at 1333MHz by default. If I had an Intel motherboard supporting XMP, the RAM would already run at 1600MHz.
2: Answer above there somewhere :P
3. Corsair is a trusted name out there, very reliable and high quality. Alternatively, you can go for Crucial, G.Skill or Team Group. These are the companies I trust and I'm happy with.
Hi Raraken,
tks for the lengthy explanation, appreciate that, btw do you have a webpage link whereby i can learn how to do oc ? Currently my ram is 1600MHz, I still have not maximise its full potential yet, keen to learn.
tks.
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Originally posted by kenn3th:
WRONG you just don't get it. - Do you like getting such a reply?
I doubt so, and this is my point I have been trying to prove here.
Indeed there's a difference between correction and critism, when one places them both together, it would be critism during correction, which is unfavourable in any environment.
My intention is not to flame but to avocate friendly exchanges of information and knowledge in this forum. Many of your posts have been like this, and I have to step in.
As for by context, I will explain it to you once and for all in a more elaborated fashion
I apologise to fattyman for the inconvinence caused.
hi kenn3th,
no worries, as usual, regular contributors like you guys are always very helpful to help those who are in doubt, appreciate the existence of this forum
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Those things that you deal with have "no feelings", and you are born with flesh and blood and is cordial and lovely. You should not because of no feelings matter affect your cheerful personality and kind intent of resolving computer problem. I feel that although solution provided may not necessary resolve computer problem, it may be hardware and software incompatibility, just keep finger crossed and trial & error over it
along the path of kind intent and sharing