anyone knows where to get the best prices?
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Power on the computer, and install OS, everything etc. Then after that you can go fiddle with BIOS.
One thing to note: If you don't know what things do, then leave it like that. I've got a somehow dead board/CPU after a BSOD. Not to say overclocking shouldn't be done, just that you need to fully know the risks that come with it. If you have RAM that is certified to run at 1600MHz, and you have a good cooler, just use the Easy OC switch. The board will automatically configure itself and it will be stable, since voltages are taken care of. Yep.
If you use the same RAM as I do (Team Xtreem 1600MHz), after using the Easy OC switch, you will need to configure the memory.
After you are in the BIOS, select Cell Menu, then scroll down to Memory Configuration or whatever is underneath Memory-Z. Select the first option, and select DCT 1. A whole line of options should now be available to you.
The things you will want to take note of is CAS Latency (CL), tRCD, tRP and tRAS as well as Command Rate. On the RAM box there is a sticker about the speeds of the RAM in the format CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS CR(eg. 7-7-7-21 2T)
Hmm, I thot I've to configure the BIOS first then load the OS, btw what is BSOD & why have to take note of the RAM latency ? Is it becos I've to configure the RAM latency inside the BIOS ?
Anyway I'll take your advise first, tmr will post it here again, thanks.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Hmm, I thot I've to configure the BIOS first then load the OS, btw what is BSOD & why have to take note of the RAM latency ? Is it becos I've to configure the RAM latency inside the BIOS ?
Anyway I'll take your advise first, tmr will post it here again, thanks.
Usually i load OS, then config BIOS, since usually no need change anything from default.
BSOD is the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. Which isn't really as scary as OS X's Kernel Panic. At least you know what caused the problem if you get BSOD. You get kernel panic, GG liao. You have NO IDEA what causes it unless you have OS running in verbose mode, and even then that is only for boot sequences.
Take note of RAM latency is because RAM that says Core i5/i7 compatible is configured for a special thing called XMP, or eXtreme Memory Profile (Intel fails at spelling, EMP sounds better). It will run at 1333MHz on any platform that doesn't know XMP (Like any AMD/NVidia chipset or Intel's low-end offering). To get the RAM to run at full specification, one needs to manually configure the timings.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Usually i load OS, then config BIOS, since usually no need change anything from default.
BSOD is the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. Which isn't really as scary as OS X's Kernel Panic. At least you know what caused the problem if you get BSOD. You get kernel panic, GG liao. You have NO IDEA what causes it unless you have OS running in verbose mode, and even then that is only for boot sequences.
Take note of RAM latency is because RAM that says Core i5/i7 compatible is configured for a special thing called XMP, or eXtreme Memory Profile (Intel fails at spelling, EMP sounds better). It will run at 1333MHz on any platform that doesn't know XMP (Like any AMD/NVidia chipset or Intel's low-end offering). To get the RAM to run at full specification, one needs to manually configure the timings.
ok roger, I'll load the OS then do the BIOS setting.
Will post here tonight after 10pm, tks for helping Raraken.
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STOP!
I have purchased my parts :D
Haven't been online in a long while, so got scammed on certain prices. But here are my purchases so far.
1) CM Elite 341 - $59 (Video Pro)
2) PCP&C Silencer 610 - $169 (Video Pro)
3) Fans - $infinity. Look, I have over 68 fans in an A4 paper box.
4) Card Reader - $15 (Cybermind)
5) WD Caviar Black 500GB - $90 x2 (Video Pro)
6) CM Hyper TX3 - $39 (Video Pro)
7) Razer Orochi - $129 (CyberActive Compass Point :lol:) -
Originally posted by SBS7484P:
STOP!
I have purchased my parts :D
Haven't been online in a long while, so got scammed on certain prices. But here are my purchases so far.
1) CM Elite 341 - $59 (Video Pro)
2) PCP&C Silencer 610 - $169 (Video Pro)
3) Fans - $infinity. Look, I have over 68 fans in an A4 paper box.
4) Card Reader - $15 (Cybermind)
5) WD Caviar Black 500GB - $90 x2 (Video Pro)
6) CM Hyper TX3 - $39 (Video Pro)
7) Razer Orochi - $129 (CyberActive Compass Point :lol:)Hooo boy. So much poison ah!
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Hi bro SBS7484P, sorry for hijacking your thread all this while but thanks to all guys like you & especially to Raraken for being so helpful, appreciate that.
Hi Raraken, I've managed to load the OS & do some BIOS settings already
one last question to ask you, under the CMOS setting utility, Adjust CPU FSB Frequency (MHz), how come it shows only 200 MHz ?I bought the ram 2GB x2 1600 Mhz leh :-(
Tks,
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Hi bro SBS7484P, sorry for hijacking your thread all this while but thanks to all guys like you & especially to Raraken for being so helpful, appreciate that.
Hi Raraken, I've managed to load the OS & do some BIOS settings already
one last question to ask you, under the CMOS
setting utility, Adjust CPU FSB Frequency (MHz), how come it shows
only 200 MHz ?I bought the ram 2GB x2 1600 Mhz leh :-(
Tks,
Ah, that's ya Base Clock (BCLK)
Since you got the 965 @ 3.4GHz, you would have a CPU multiplier of 17x (200 x 17 = 3400). RAM multiplier would be 1:3.33, or 3:10 FSB:DRAM, which means your RAM is running at 1333.
And since you have a nice cooler with good airflow in your casing, up the BCLK to 240.
This will result in CPU speed of 4GHZ, DRAM speed of 1600MHz (240/3=80. 80*10=800. 800*2=1600). If you feel this is too dangerous, lower the CPU multiplier to 15x or something. If you feel confident in your ability, do it manually. If you are scared, turn off your PC, switch off the PSU, and trigger the Easy OC switch, where both jumpers are in teh OFF position. Voltages will be adjusted automatically, and you will get a BCLK of 240.
Then, after that, configure your memory. Use 1.63V under VDIMM or Memory Voltage or something. I've gone through 3 sets of RAM so far, and me setting it at 1.67V may have been a contributing factor (I shouldn't think so). This 4th set is working beautifully, but I'm leaving it at stock for now. Leave the timings to auto and press F10 to save and exit.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Hooo boy. So much poison ah!
yep! and not to forget, my ATI HD5770 1GB GDDR5, at $269.Well it was the ASUS one, and yes, it's 10 bucks more expensive for nothing. But at least I got the one with the original reference cooler, not the new type HD5750-esque cooler.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Hi bro SBS7484P, sorry for hijacking your thread all this while but thanks to all guys like you & especially to Raraken for being so helpful, appreciate that.
Hi Raraken, I've managed to load the OS & do some BIOS settings already
one last question to ask you, under the CMOS setting utility, Adjust CPU FSB Frequency (MHz), how come it shows only 200 MHz ?I bought the ram 2GB x2 1600 Mhz leh :-(
Tks,
No problem. Do you have any questions on cooling still? If you've got, ask now :)
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Originally posted by PWNED32:
I'm searching for a good case, Do you have any recommendation? Plus liquid cooling? If you have the time to drop by SLS, Check for me thank you?
Corsair H50. Self-contained liquid cooling solution. -
Originally posted by SBS7484P:
No problem. Do you have any questions on cooling still? If you've got, ask now :)
Haha, now no, initially I had some problem to install the cooler, I bought xigmatek S1282 HDT, didn't know that some cooler can be quite expensive.
That day just found out that one shop located either on the 4th or 5th flr near the staircase, saw them display some interesting expensive mobo, some mobo can command up to $600+ , too ex for me.
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server motherboards.
go have a look at that shop chamoxa. they sell server boards. huge and hugely expensive.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Haha, now no, initially I had some problem to install the cooler, I bought xigmatek S1282 HDT, didn't know that some cooler can be quite expensive.
That day just found out that one shop located either on the 4th or 5th flr near the staircase, saw them display some interesting expensive mobo, some mobo can command up to $600+ , too ex for me.
I've seen the $800+ mobo, Rofl, Classified 4-Way SLI thinking of that but then if i have 2 SLI already good enough. Imagine 4.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Ah, that's ya Base Clock (BCLK)
Since you got the 965 @ 3.4GHz, you would have a CPU multiplier of 17x (200 x 17 = 3400). RAM multiplier would be 1:3.33, or 3:10 FSB:DRAM, which means your RAM is running at 1333.
And since you have a nice cooler with good airflow in your casing, up the BCLK to 240.
This will result in CPU speed of 4GHZ, DRAM speed of 1600MHz (240/3=80. 80*10=800. 800*2=1600). If you feel this is too dangerous, lower the CPU multiplier to 15x or something. If you feel confident in your ability, do it manually. If you are scared, turn off your PC, switch off the PSU, and trigger the Easy OC switch, where both jumpers are in teh OFF position. Voltages will be adjusted automatically, and you will get a BCLK of 240.
Then, after that, configure your memory. Use 1.63V under VDIMM or Memory Voltage or something. I've gone through 3 sets of RAM so far, and me setting it at 1.67V may have been a contributing factor (I shouldn't think so). This 4th set is working beautifully, but I'm leaving it at stock for now. Leave the timings to auto and press F10 to save and exit.
ok, got it, thanks for explaining again.
arh, you can anticipate my next question, i was about to ask you the overclocking thingy & now you are one step ahead & explained in advance :-)
As for the overclocking, I'll explore & do it tmr thereafter I'll post it here again.
Once again, thanks for helping me & wish you guys a happy merry christmas !
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Originally posted by SBS7484P:
server motherboards.
go have a look at that shop chamoxa. they sell server boards. huge and hugely expensive.
precisely this is the shop I'm referring to, i thot those display boards are motherboard, aren't they ? Or they are server motherboard ?
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Originally posted by PWNED32:
I've seen the $800+ mobo, Rofl, Classified 4-Way SLI thinking of that but then if i have 2 SLI already good enough. Imagine 4.
you bought your core i7 already ?
wow i7 is just too ex for me, can't bear to spend that kind of amount on computer :-(
now I'm on cloud nine, first time D.I.Y & everything is running smoothly especially with the help from Raraken
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Ah, that's ya Base Clock (BCLK)
Since you got the 965 @ 3.4GHz, you would have a CPU multiplier of 17x (200 x 17 = 3400). RAM multiplier would be 1:3.33, or 3:10 FSB:DRAM, which means your RAM is running at 1333.
And since you have a nice cooler with good airflow in your casing, up the BCLK to 240.
This will result in CPU speed of 4GHZ, DRAM speed of 1600MHz (240/3=80. 80*10=800. 800*2=1600). If you feel this is too dangerous, lower the CPU multiplier to 15x or something. If you feel confident in your ability, do it manually. If you are scared, turn off your PC, switch off the PSU, and trigger the Easy OC switch, where both jumpers are in teh OFF position. Voltages will be adjusted automatically, and you will get a BCLK of 240.
Then, after that, configure your memory. Use 1.63V under VDIMM or Memory Voltage or something. I've gone through 3 sets of RAM so far, and me setting it at 1.67V may have been a contributing factor (I shouldn't think so). This 4th set is working beautifully, but I'm leaving it at stock for now. Leave the timings to auto and press F10 to save and exit.
everytime when I boot up the computer, it takes quite a while to completely load/boot-up, if compared to my the other system(AMD Athlon 64x2, 2Ghz, ram 200 Mhz) this new diy system is much much slower in terms of boot-up timing, dun understand why, other than that the rest are working perfectly fine (closing & opening of applications, web surfing etc....) definitely faster than my Athlon 64x2. I guess some settings are incorrect, can help to rectify the problem ?
Next Question :-
1. In the BIOS, AMD Cool & Quiet default setting is set to - AUTO (according to manual, if this feature is activated, the Cool & Quiet technology can effectively lower the CPU speed & power consumption so sholud I leave it as default or de-activate it ?
2. Adjust CPU FSB Frequency - default setting is 200. You advised to give it a try to up to 240. My question is how would you know when we reach the max ? (eg. maybe 280 followed by 300, 340, 400 etc...) (is it refer to processor manual ?)
3. Adjust CPU Ratio - default setting is AUTO. If I press enter, I can see a list of multiplier ratio up to 30 something. My question is how far can we go ? (is it refer to processor manual ?)
4. What is the meaning of Adjust CPU-NB Ratio ? Default is AUTO.
5. Advanced Clock Calibration - Default is Disabled. The manual states that it is for overclock. Setting to ENABLED allows you to set the CPU Ratio higher provided the processor supports this function. My question is even if I left it as default DISABLED, I'm still able to adjust the FSB speed to 240 & increase the multiplier ratio to a higher figure but will it work if I left it DISABLED, or do i have to change to ENABLED ?
6. Auto Overclock Technology - Default is DISABLED. The manual states that setting to MAX FSB allows the system to detect the maximum FSB clock and to overclock automatically. BTW our MSI system FSB speed is 5.2 GT/s which is approx 2000+ MHz, why default is DISABLED, it should be ENABLED so that we can enjoy the full speed right ?
7. Multistep OC Booster - default is DISABLED. Manual states that is used to avoid the BIOS might crash with overclocking.
Disabled - Dsiable this item, apply OC settings during POST.
Mode 1 - Slight OC during POST & then apply full OC when loading the OS
Mode 2 - Load the OS then apply the OC settings.
My question is what is POST & should I leave it as DISABLED ?
8. You also mentioned about ram latency & should be manually configured in order to achieve the full speed. Should I follow the latency speed on the ram & configure it ?
9. You said used 1.63V under VDIMM or Memory Voltage or something, but it is grey out, I can't change the setting at all. I guess if I make some changes to those CPU & multiplier ratio, I think it might allow me to change the voltage setting right ?
Sorry if its a bit lengthy, thanks.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
everytime when I boot up the computer, it takes quite a while to completely load/boot-up, if compared to my the other system(AMD Athlon 64x2, 2Ghz, ram 200 Mhz) this new diy system is much much slower in terms of boot-up timing, dun understand why, other than that the rest are working perfectly fine (closing & opening of applications, web surfing etc....) definitely faster than my Athlon 64x2. I guess some settings are incorrect, can help to rectify the problem ?
Is Quick Boot enabled? Should be under "Advanced" settings. Also, make sure LAN Option ROM is disabled, and if not using a RAID array, set drive mode to IDE. Under advanced as well, and On-chip ATA for Drive mode.
Next Question :-
1. In the BIOS, AMD Cool & Quiet default setting is set to - AUTO (according to manual, if this feature is activated, the Cool & Quiet technology can effectively lower the CPU speed & power consumption so sholud I leave it as default or de-activate it ?
Leave it activated. Phenom II's are a beast, and they need all the cooling they can get. Cool N Quiet help reduce temps and idle power consumption.
2. Adjust CPU FSB Frequency - default setting is 200. You advised to give it a try to up to 240. My question is how would you know when we reach the max ? (eg. maybe 280 followed by 300, 340, 400 etc...) (is it refer to processor manual ?)
When you keep getting BSODs/OS won't load/System won't POST. I'd stick to 240-260MHz. If you had LN2, go ahead, Phenom II's are thermally limited, so given the right amount of cooling, you could reach 8+GHz
3. Adjust CPU Ratio - default setting is AUTO. If I press enter, I can see a list of
multiplier ratio up to 30 something. My question is how far can we go ? (is it refer to processor manual ?)
Again, look above.
4. What is the meaning of Adjust CPU-NB Ratio ? Default is AUTO.
Adjusts the data transfer rate between northbridge and CPU. Also known as HyperTransport link. Stock multiplier is 10x, increase Base Clock to 260MHz if you want to take full advantage of 5.2GT/s capability or just up the multiplier.
5. Advanced Clock Calibration - Default is Disabled. The manual states that it is for overclock. Setting to ENABLED allows you to set the CPU Ratio higher provided the processor supports this function. My question is even if I left it as default DISABLED, I'm still able to adjust the FSB speed to 240 & increase the multiplier ratio to a higher figure but will it work if I left it DISABLED, or do i have to change to ENABLED ?
ACC improves overclocking headroom, but to get to speeds that actually require ACC for maximum OC would require LN2. I would enable it though. Might net you extra stability.
6. Auto Overclock Technology - Default is DISABLED. The manual states that setting to MAX FSB allows the system to detect the maximum FSB clock and to overclock automatically. BTW our MSI system FSB speed is 5.2 GT/s which is approx 2000+ MHz, why default is DISABLED, it should be ENABLED so that we can enjoy the full speed right ?
I wouldn't trust this. I tried it for fun and gave me a Base Clock of 215.
7. Multistep OC Booster - default is DISABLED. Manual states that is used to avoid the BIOS might crash with overclocking.
Disabled - Dsiable this item, apply OC settings during POST.
Mode 1 - Slight OC during POST & then apply full OC when loading the OS
Mode 2 - Load the OS then apply the OC settings.
My question is what is POST & should I leave it as DISABLED ?
POST, or Power-on-Self-Test, is when the system starts up and checks every component installed to verify that they are working fine. If the system fails to POST, something in your system just f**ked up. I usually select Mode 2, so that I instantly know if the OC fails. Also, you might encounter a time where the OC is stable in Windows, but your system just doesn't want to POST.
8. You also mentioned about ram latency & should be manually configured in order to achieve the full speed. Should I follow the latency speed on the ram & configure it ?
Don't go immediately to 7-7-7-21. That RAM was meant for Intel i5/i7. Go slow, try 8-8-8-23 first. Then lower each field until you get an unstable memory. Then you either stick with the last known good configuration or leave that setting at 8 and lower the next one.
9. You said used 1.63V under VDIMM or Memory Voltage or something, but it is grey out, I can't change the setting at all. I guess if I make some changes to those CPU & multiplier ratio, I think it might allow me to change the voltage setting right ?
Page Up/Down bro.
Sorry if its a bit lengthy, thanks.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
precisely this is the shop I'm referring to, i thot those display boards are motherboard, aren't they ? Or they are server motherboard ?
workstation/professional class mobo.2 physical cpu's, 13 fan pins. :D
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Originally posted by SBS7484P:
workstation/professional class mobo.2 physical cpu's, 13 fan pins. :D
Its not a professional wind tunnel simulator, it''s a wind tunnel itself :P
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Hi bro,
you wrote :-
ACC improves overclocking headroom, but to get to speeds that actually require ACC for maximum OC would require LN2. I would enable it though. Might net you extra stability.
Is Quick Boot enabled? Should be under "Advanced" settings. Also, make sure LAN Option ROM is disabled, and if not using a RAID array, set drive mode to IDE. Under advanced as well, and On-chip ATA for Drive mode.
What is LN2 & RAID array, don't undertsand ?
So to summarise what you have explained in your last posting, may I say that everytime when we want to do OC, there are 4 steps that we need to change/configure :-
1. Increase the CPU FSB, right ?
2. Adjust the CPU ratio which means increase the multiplier right ?
3. Increase the ram latency right ?
4. Increase the voltage right ? Ram voltage or CPU voltage, a bit confuse here. To what voltages, how do we know ?
BTW do we have to configure 4 things SIMULTANEOUSLY or one at a time ? One at a time means increase the CPU FSB first, the rest leave it as default & see whether if the system is stable, if it is, then follow by steps 3 & 4 ?
Thank you very much.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Its not a professional wind tunnel simulator, it''s a wind tunnel itself :P
Imagine what I can do with it
My collection of fans never fails to amuse people
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An update!
I just purchased the CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 HSF for my new build. Will be replacing the stock, gay CM fan with a Delta EFC0912BF that I bought second hand. Pretty clean and low-mileage fan, from my observation.
I also bought another Nidec Beta V B35502-35 TA450DC for my casing exhaust, because the old one (I got the old one second hand) squeaked loudly at a certain speed. The new ones squeak, but not that loudly.
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I already had the Core i7 earlier, Just needa overclock but my bios doesn't have overclock features. >.< although some manage to unlock it.
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Originally posted by fattyman:
Hi bro,
you wrote :-
ACC improves overclocking headroom, but to get to speeds that actually require ACC for maximum OC would require LN2. I would enable it though. Might net you extra stability.
Is Quick Boot enabled? Should be under "Advanced" settings. Also, make sure LAN Option ROM is disabled, and if not using a RAID array, set drive mode to IDE. Under advanced as well, and On-chip ATA for Drive mode.
What is LN2 & RAID array, don't undertsand ?
LN2, AKA liquid Nitrogen.
RAID, or Redundant Array of Inexpensive/Independent Drives. Allows you to do stuff with your hard drives like "stripe" them or "mirror" them.
So to summarise what you have explained in your last posting, may I say that everytime when we want to do OC, there are 4 steps that we need to change/configure :-
1. Increase the CPU FSB, right ?
Depends. Need not be done if you CPU is multiplier-unlocked. Many things are based on FSB, like memory speed. Since your RAM is supposed to run at 1600MHz, you need to increase it if you want to run it at 1600MHz.
2. Adjust the CPU ratio which means increase the multiplier right ?
Increase or Decrease depending on the situation.
3. Increase the ram latency right ?
No. You want to DECREASE latency. Latency is bad. Higher latency=Longer time to access data
4. Increase the voltage right ? Ram voltage or CPU voltage, a bit confuse here. To what voltages, how do we know ?
Depends on which component needs to be overclocked. Overclocking the CPU means raising CPU voltage. Overclocking memory means raising RAM voltage.
To raise CPU Voltage, increase the CPU VID. The base CPU voltage should increase as well. To increase RAM voltage, increase VDIMM, but no more than 1.65V.
BTW do we have to configure 4 things SIMULTANEOUSLY or one at a time ? One at a time means increase the CPU FSB first, the rest leave it as default & see whether if the system is stable, if it is, then follow by steps 3 & 4 ?
Basic steps I took:
Lower multiplier to 12x or something, as long as it is lower than stock.
Raise FSB to desired speed (I'd suggest 240MHz)
Set VDIMM to 1.65V (Or around there)
Disable CoolNQuiet
F10 to save.
Boot into Windows, then reboot.
Raise CPU VID (I would suggest 1.45V for PIIX4)
Save BIOS
Raise CPU multiplier 1x at a time (12x - 13x, 13x - 14x and so on)
After increasing CPU multiplier by 1x, F10 to boot into Windows
Run Prime95/LINX
If pass stability tests, reboot and enter BIOS
Increase multiplier by another 1x
Boot into Windows and stress test again.
Repeat until you fail a test/you can't boot into Windows
From here, 2 options:
Reduce CPU Multi by 0.5x and test Or Increase CPU VID (NOT MORE THAN 1.5V!)
Thank you very much.
If you really confused, or still don't know, drop me a PM and I'll give you my email.