Need help with PC upgrading.

• MyPillowTalks

  30 Sep 09, 00:02

  Is your comp a custom built one last time? Or a branded one?

  I think the powersupply came with your casing when you bought it, i remember enlight is a casing brand or something

  I think the powersupply is not strong enough for 9800gt

  Im not sure if the motherboard can handle a new processor, i think most probably not.

   

• Sgdevilzz

  30 Sep 09, 14:26

  yes its custom builded.

  Enlight is the casing brand and power supply brand i suppose. because it has the label of the table with watts contents... 

  my mother board is manufactured by MSI.

  EDIT: okay when i open my PC case, it looks exactly like this.

   

• MyPillowTalks

  30 Sep 09, 23:53

  you sure it is the same model?

  i though n73pv is by palit?

  n73 should be a 730i chipset by nvidia, and if it is, a new bios should allow it to support new cpus

• Raraken

  1 Oct 09, 10:28

  Originally posted by MyPillowTalks:

  you sure it is the same model?

  i though n73pv is by palit?

  n73 should be a 730i chipset by nvidia, and if it is, a new bios should allow it to support new cpus

  But on the first page, the graphics card is 6150/630i, so it probably is the older chipset. MSI did produce 630i chipsets, but I haven't seen any 730i chipsets by MSI. 630i doesn't officially support 1333MHz apparently, though it does support it.

• Sgdevilzz

  1 Oct 09, 14:14

  so can this motherboard support a new processor like dual core 2 @ 2.55 ghZ? or the 9800GT? 

  yes it is palit N73PV. i asked my dad he said it was from MSI. but i checked the internet and it looks exactly like this. 

  you might want to confirm it by going this. the pic.

  http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30504809&id=1474301460#/photo.php?pid=30504817&id=1474301460

• MyPillowTalks

  5 Oct 09, 02:36

  sorry, cannot see the pic

  As long as the graphics card slot is pci express x16(which i think it most probably is), u can use it

  Processor wise, u need to check the exact model, and read from the manufacturer's website whether what processor it supports

  The 9800gt requires at least 400watts of power from ur powersupply, it will just run off the motherboard's power

  Ur powersupply is 350watts, if u add in the grphiacs card, it might power on, but during gaming there is a chance for it to crash

• Sgdevilzz

  5 Oct 09, 16:37

  Here is the picture of my pc.

  http://s820.photobucket.com/albums/zz121/sgdevilzz/?action=view&current=DSC00642.jpg

  ( for some reason i cant upload the pic to this site...)

   

  Here is the Motherboard specs... I suppose it can support core 2 duo and 9800gt.

  Chipset	NVIDIA MCP73V
  CPU Socket Type	LGA 775
  Memory	DDR2
  FSB (Front Side Bus)	1333/1066/800/533 MHz
  CPU Support	Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron / Pentium D / Core 2 Duo
  Maximum Memory	4GB
  Memory Slots	2 x 240-pin DIMM
  Channel Supported	Dual Channel
  PCI Express x16	1 x PCI Express x16
  PCI Express x1	1 x PCI Express x1
  PCI Slots	2 x PCI
  IDE	1 x ATA 133
  Serial ATA	4 x SATAII 3.0 Gb/s
  Onboard Video	NVIDIA GeForce 7050
  Onboard Audio	Realtek ALC883
  Audio Channels	8 Channels
  Onboard LAN 1	Realtek RTL8201N
  Onboard LAN 1 Max Speed	10/100 Mbps
  USB Ports	4 x USB 2.0
  Audio Ports	1 x Audio I/O
  Video Ports	1 x VGA (D-Sub)
  PS/2 Ports	1 x PS/2
  LAN Ports	1 x RJ45
  Form Factor	Micro ATX

• MyPillowTalks

  5 Oct 09, 17:20

  i think it is a palit n74pv, it should support the newer core 2 duos

  ur motherboard supports the newest graphics card,

  but ur power supply might not be able to take a 9800gt

• Sgdevilzz

  5 Oct 09, 19:12

  hmm... upgrading the power supply will do right?

• Raraken

  8 Oct 09, 11:15

  Originally posted by Sgdevilzz:

  hmm... upgrading the power supply will do right?

  Yes, get a decent PSU, I recommend at least 500W to leave some leeway for future upgrades.

• SBS7484P

  17 Oct 09, 20:48

  paiseh, hijack this thread for a small question.

  i currently have 3gb of ddr2 533mhz ram

  if i switch to 2gb of ddr2 667mhz ram is there any diff?

   

• LatecomerX

  17 Oct 09, 21:32

  Originally posted by SBS7484P:

  paiseh, hijack this thread for a small question.

  i currently have 3gb of ddr2 533mhz ram

  if i switch to 2gb of ddr2 667mhz ram is there any diff?

   

  In my opinion, it wouldn't give much of a performance boost. Pillow could probably give you a more accurate answer on this issue.

   

• nenepokey

  18 Oct 09, 00:04

  Originally posted by SBS7484P:

  paiseh, hijack this thread for a small question.

  i currently have 3gb of ddr2 533mhz ram

  if i switch to 2gb of ddr2 667mhz ram is there any diff?

   

  depends on ur CPU FSB as well....

• SBS7484P

  18 Oct 09, 17:24

  800mhz.

  sorry, it's a pentium D.

• Raraken

  19 Oct 09, 02:37

  Originally posted by SBS7484P:

  800mhz.

  sorry, it's a pentium D.

  Here's the thing, Older Intel CPU have the memory controller on the mobo, and so it depends on chipset + mobo. My sister's Pentium D 925 system can only run the memory at 533MHz, even though the RAM is supposed to run at 800MHz. Are you running an OEM system, or DIY?

  You wouldn't see much difference even if the mobo can support 667MHz RAM, since the FSB transports everything from data reads from the HDD to sending the info out to the GPU as well as RAM data reads.

• SBS7484P

  19 Oct 09, 09:18

  OEM, partly.

  no time to DIY, except for after exams.

  yes, its an asus p5lp-le, hp mobo.

• SBS7484P

  19 Oct 09, 09:19

  pentium D 930 processor, max memory speed the mobo supports is 667, so yup.

• Raraken

  19 Oct 09, 19:56

  I looked at the specs of the mobo on the HP website, and yes, you will see a slight boost in performance if you use a dual-channel (2x1GB) kit. 3GB hints at 1x2GB and 1x1GB sticks in the system, or 3x1GB. Either way, it means a single channel memory architecture. Having a dual-channel setup effectively doubles the bandwidth, because now both sticks are being read simultaneously. Think of it like a RAID 0 for RAM, actually.

   

  Edit: The website says 2GB sticks aren't officially supported, so should be 3x1GB. Either way, switching to dual-channel will improve performance, but might not be noticeable.

• SBS7484P

  20 Oct 09, 10:26

  Originally posted by Raraken:

  I looked at the specs of the mobo on the HP website, and yes, you will see a slight boost in performance if you use a dual-channel (2x1GB) kit. 3GB hints at 1x2GB and 1x1GB sticks in the system, or 3x1GB. Either way, it means a single channel memory architecture. Having a dual-channel setup effectively doubles the bandwidth, because now both sticks are being read simultaneously. Think of it like a RAID 0 for RAM, actually.

   

  Edit: The website says 2GB sticks aren't officially supported, so should be 3x1GB. Either way, switching to dual-channel will improve performance, but might not be noticeable.

  yup its dual channel. right now im running it as:

  1G -> 512m -> 1G -> 512m

  all 533mhz, 4-4-4-12.

  im planning to remove all that and replace with 1GB+1GB 667 in dual channel.

  any performance effect like this?

• Raraken

  20 Oct 09, 10:40

  Originally posted by SBS7484P:

  yup its dual channel. right now im running it as:

  1G -> 512m -> 1G -> 512m

  all 533mhz, 4-4-4-12.

  im planning to remove all that and replace with 1GB+1GB 667 in dual channel.

  any performance effect like this?

  You would see a slight boost in performance, maybe none at all. It would increase in synthetic benchmarks, but you might not notice it. I switched from 2x1GB 800MHz RAM to 2x2GB 667MHz RAM on my system, and I did see slight, but very slight, decreases in performance mainly when using RAM intensive applications (a.k.a very intensive games/CAD Software).

• SBS7484P

  20 Oct 09, 11:19

  hmm..

  yours is from faster but less to slower but more..

  mine is the other way round

  LOL.

  so that means if i switch i'll see an increase?

  since f(l) > s(m). haha

• Raraken

  20 Oct 09, 13:28

  You probably would see an increase, though a marginal increase at best.

• SBS7484P

  20 Oct 09, 16:34

  okay..

  thanks for the reply

  paiseh but i have to hijack once again.

  i had an ac 240v to dc12v molex power adapter that came with my usb to ide cable..

  and i accidently blew it up because while i was doing some fan mods (hairdryer fan running off molex, yes i know its crazy), the 12v and ground wires accidently touched and the adapter (a cheap piece of crud thats made in china and so light it can fly) died with a really loud bang.

  do you have any idea where to find one more of these?

  i dontwanna have to spend 18 bucks buying the whole set again :(

• Raraken

  20 Oct 09, 18:01

  Originally posted by SBS7484P:

  okay..

  thanks for the reply

  paiseh but i have to hijack once again.

  i had an ac 240v to dc12v molex power adapter that came with my usb to ide cable..

  and i accidently blew it up because while i was doing some fan mods (hairdryer fan running off molex, yes i know its crazy), the 12v and ground wires accidently touched and the adapter (a cheap piece of crud thats made in china and so light it can fly) died with a really loud bang.

  do you have any idea where to find one more of these?

  i dontwanna have to spend 18 bucks buying the whole set again :(

  Never heard of these things before :P Sorry, but I might be able to check out on a future trip to SLS, might be able to find such a cable at one of those cable shops at the odd corners of SLS XD

• SBS7484P

  20 Oct 09, 18:32

  haha pillow told me to go sls buy a cheapshit PSU.

  18 bucks for one then 'hack it' so it runs w/o any hardware. gonna need it just to power up some fans and crazy contraptions like this one here

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-r0cNKFSEw