Is Macbook worth buying to run WinXP?
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:
Puzzlingly, given that you've repeatedly conceded that there are many problems and issues with interoperability, you claim that there is nothing to discuss and nothing to point out? What are you hiding?
No mood or no expertise (or professional experience) to comment? Since you dun see the point of a forum, perhaps you shld wait till you have both before diving in.
1. Tell me what's there to point out? To add more salt on their injuries? To continue to insult Microsoft or Apple? Or both?
2. Even if got mood, won't be entertaining you. Even if got professional experience, I can't be bothered with you. With your insistence on certain views, what's there to talk about?
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Originally posted by parn:
I'm just toying with the idea of using Windows XP Professional on a MacBook....not really looking at MacBook Pro cos I prefer the white casing over the metal one.
Please do not debate with Vista or Windows 7, I really hate using those two operating systems cos they are not user-friendly and maybe I have really gotten used to using Windows XP.
Really appreciate all your valuable feedbacks and inputs for my topic. But please do not quarrel over who has the best opinions because I believed you all only want to share your best opinions for me and all of you have the best opinions and will only provide your best opinions.
Thank you all.
OK, let's be serious here.
At any one time you're no longer toying with such an idea, please let us know.
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:U've only "just" got your laptop and gushing about your purchase? Quite typical. Can u come back after say 6 mths of updates, patches and security fixes? Remember its not the OS or the hardware... its the interaction based on market forces and dynamics (not just Apple or Windows' updates but also 3rd party software vulnerabilities, includign L4D patches). In your report, include what else you have tried using the system for, what are the software you install and re-install.
If you only use it as a glorified typewriter and reader, I certainly wouldn't expect any problems.
Please read my post properly before flaming people alright? I said I installed Windows XP mainly for my L4D. Windows is not the main OS I'm using. I am into photography and I prefer running Photoshop and Bridge on Mac OS X. I might expand my use of OS X even more if I do videos next time.
I know the problems with patches and fixes for Windows XP on a Mac, and I don't care because that's not the main OS I'm using. So please open your eyes, take off the stamp stuck on it, and read.
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Originally posted by Keii:
For that specs, you'd be paying half the price for a laptop. And with the same price you pay for that MBP, you'll prolly get waaaaay better specs.
In the midst of rebutting preternatural.stuff, I answered to you why I bought this MBP over a normal laptop.
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:Originally posted by alleggerita:
Good deal vs which other choices as comparators? Can be more specific? For what kind of usage requirement? If anything, its what the very entertaining Laptop Hunters saga highlights consumers shld consider.
That spec sheet at that price isn't that overwhelmingly cool to me. I just saw a Sony at IMM on Sunday barely $2K with better specs.
BTW, 15" laptops are supposed to be dirt cheap. Cos there are no miniaturization requirements such as special components, nor space/volume/weight constraints nor heat dissipation issues.
Very obviously i'm saying it's a very good deal when compared to it's original SRP. The spec sheet might not look cool to you, and that's your own personal opinion. You can keep that to yourself, but thanks for telling me. The thing is not about specs, it's about the OS. Give the kind of specs i have to a pc/laptop running vista and see how it falls, and HARD.
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
1. Tell me what's there to point out? To add more salt on their injuries? To continue to insult Microsoft or Apple? Or both?
Why bother to explain? If you're not competent enough to see the issues, read the posts by the people on this thread again, instead of wallowing in your ignorance. Do your own homework!
There are no injuries, unless you happen to be somebody ignorant and got found out or you had your brand loyalties/affiliations/sensibilities offended but could not offer anything useful in return.
2. Even if got mood, won't be entertaining you. Even if got professional experience, I can't be bothered with you. With your insistence on certain views, what's there to talk about?
There, its finally out, no experience in this matter do you? If you really know, u'd know.
"Because accleration is enabled. Disable it and see the effects yourself."
The best example of your truisms and crap is that above line that I take issue with. One/two liner throw away comments that mean zilch and a waste of everybody's time. Its like saying, "Nice Porsche, disable the turbo and see for yourself lor". What's the point again?
With that kind of crap contribution, of course you can't see the amount of misinformation, myths and issues inherent in this thread. By claiming that only you are able to see crap and correct them, you're disavowing the whole purpose of a public forum where people participate. Really you ought to lurk in your own self-created blog then, and moderate or allow/disallow comments on your own - not on a public forum.
The fact that you repeatedly claim that (1) You're not prepared to type, (2) You can't be bothered to explain, (3) can't be bothered to care etc. means that you should just stay out until you either gain some knowledge or know enough or you finally bother enough. Like I said, dun dive in like you're afraid you are missing out on a party.
I also dun see any issue whether Parn needs to tell us anything. Why r u in such a hurry to end this thread? Its obviously a "want driven" issue, not a "need driven" issue but I've seen more cases of people making expensive purchases for things they dun need.
But threads like this are far more useful in dispelling myths and misinformation than your superficial perceptions that prompt you to want to dismiss it. Lots of people are confused by the title of this thread. Few really know.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
The Apple-only chips are some of the the E8XX5 series, and some mobile T-series (though I think it's just that some manufacturers don't want to use some of the T-series, like the T9900).
Well, for the support side, yes, but isn't it APPLE'S duty to help and to render any assistance required should any problems arise due to a function THEY included? Sounds like Boot Camp is a marketing ploy to get people to buy Macs, since they think, "Hey, I can run Windows on a Mac. Sweet!" and then Boot Camp doesn't work as expected.
The chips used on the Air are similar to the ones being used on the Acer Timelines. SU9XXX and SL9XXX CPUs. A problem I encountered on the E8135 iMac was that a core was somehow disabled on Windows, but not in OS X. Really odd.
The display problem was probably due to the chipset glitch or something. Disk Utility WAS used, and so were some other partitioning S/W (Gparted, Acronis, Easeus, and to varying degrees of success. None fully working though). I'm not sure if using
Just because you know how to use Boot Camp, doesn't mean you know how to fix problems. Hands-on with the problem itself is still the best way.
You mentioned running both OS X and Windows. On a Mac, or on a Hackintosh?
on a mac. thanks for the info btw. =)
wondering if this thread should be closed. parn probably already got the answer he/she wants and the flaming here has to stop.
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Originally posted by alleggerita:
Please read my post properly before flaming people alright? I said I installed Windows XP mainly for my L4D. Windows is not the main OS I'm using. I am into photography and I prefer running Photoshop and Bridge on Mac OS X. I might expand my use of OS X even more if I do videos next time.
I know the problems with patches and fixes for Windows XP on a Mac, and I don't care because that's not the main OS I'm using. So please open your eyes, take off the stamp stuck on it, and read.
Then please read the WHOLE THREAD b4 u dive in then.
So now the truth is exposed - you only install the XP for one software, a game - but then make all sorts of claims like you're an expert, assuring people that it runs like any Windows PC, no problems. But when you get found out by alert forumers, you admit the circumstances of your very limited usage and experience.
I think you've got a garang guni sack over your head.
In your original post:
Not true. I just got a Macbook Pro 15" 2.4GHz (Late '08 model) with 250GB HDD and 2GB DDR3 RAM @ $2,488 (usual price $2,788). I have to say it's a good deal.
Dun kid me. You claimed "Not true" to a point about PC being better suited for running Windows (common-sensical really) and then claim that Mac hardware is as good - at a higher price, lower hardware specs and paying for the equivalent of 2 OS? Parn wanted to use only Windows - got that? Or you got a garang guni sack blinding you?
The obvious comparator (even if removing the OS cost) is of course against PC hardware specs. But you back track to change your tone when you got found out. Good deal over its original SRP price? Again dun kid me about a 10% discount!
Your original post:
I installed Windows XP Professional Edition on it using the Bootcamp utility and everything is working fine. It works just like any other PC/laptops running Windows. I did it simply because of my L4D and I have no problems playing it.You make spurious claims about how it "works like any other PC/laptops running Windows", "no problems...", "working fine" - when all you do is install it to run one partcular software but then try to paint it with some authority that its utopia, the sun is shining down on you and the birds are chirping in your ear...
Obviously, a user who only wants to use Windows would be better off to run PC.
Hell, in your position, I run so much photography software on my Windows lappie and I truly have no problems. I can even run games too without having to pay for and install a second OS!
Loving my MBP now.Typical Mac user glossing over the real issues cos you have no real understanding of the issues of stability and interoperability. The fact that you got rebuked so quickly shows that you are typically repeating the Mac marketing message ad nauseum. Then you try desperately to change your tone and message when your ignorance gets found out immediately by alert people on this forum.
This is what I mean by the amount of myths and crap and inaccuracies on this deceptively simple thread. Dig beyond the superficial surface of all that "its fine, do it, run Windows on Mac hardware and you won't have any problems" crap and the truth gushes out.
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Originally posted by ThunderFbolt:
wondering if this thread should be closed. parn probably already got the answer he/she wants and the flaming here has to stop.
What's your hurry, the truth is being exposed even as you speak.
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:
Then please read the WHOLE THREAD b4 u dive in then.
So now the truth is exposed - you only install the XP for one software, a game - but then make all sorts of claims like you're an expert, assuring people that it runs like any Windows PC, no problems. But when you get found out by alert forumers, you admit the circumstances of your very limited usage and experience.
I think you've got a garang guni sack over your head.
In your original post:
Dun kid me. You claimed "Not true" to a point about PC being better suited for running Windows (common-sensical really) and then claim that Mac hardware is as good - at a higher price, lower hardware specs and paying for the equivalent of 2 OS? Parn wanted to use only Windows - got that? Or you got a garang guni sack blinding you?
The obvious comparator (even if removing the OS cost) is of course against PC hardware specs. But you back track to change your tone when you got found out. Good deal over its original SRP price? Again dun kid me about a 10% discount!
Your original post:
You make spurious claims about how it "works like any other PC/laptops running Windows", "no problems...", "working fine" - when all you do is install it to run one partcular software but then try to paint it with some authority that its utopia, the sun is shining down on you and the birds are chirping in your ear...
Obviously, a user who only wants to use Windows would be better off to run PC.
Hell, in your position, I run so much photography software on my Windows lappie and I truly have no problems. I can even run games too without having to pay for and install a second OS!
Typical Mac user glossing over the real issues cos you have no real understanding of the issues of stability and interoperability. The fact that you got rebuked so quickly shows that you are typically repeating the Mac marketing message ad nauseum. Then you try desperately to change your tone and message when your ignorance gets found out immediately by alert people on this forum.
This is what I mean by the amount of myths and crap and inaccuracies on this deceptively simple thread. Dig beyond the superficial surface of all that "its fine, do it, run Windows on Mac hardware and you won't have any problems" crap and the truth gushes out.
this is exactly why it should stop. it's now an argument of "my dad can beat up your dad".
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Why bother to explain? If you're not competent enough to see the issues, read the posts by the people on this thread again, instead of wallowing in your ignorance. Do your own homework!
There are no injuries, unless you happen to be somebody ignorant and got found out or you had your brand loyalties/affiliations/sensibilities offended but could not offer anything useful in return.
You must be blind not to see the injuries.
There, its finally out, no experience in this matter do you? If you really know, u'd know.
I don't like repetitions. What's there to say since the point has been made?
The best example of your truisms and crap is that above line that I take issue with. One/two liner throw away comments that mean zilch and a waste of everybody's time. Its like saying, "Nice Porsche, disable the turbo and see for yourself lor". What's the point again?
It's to say that the Porsche is no longer as advertised and to wake up your idea.
It's never to say it's crap after a certain feature is removed. It's usable, how could it be crap? It's just that it's no longer as advertised.
With that kind of crap contribution, of course you can't see the amount of misinformation, myths and issues inherent in this thread. By claiming that only you are able to see crap and correct them, you're disavowing the whole purpose of a public forum where people participate. Really you ought to lurk in your own self-created blog then, and moderate or allow/disallow comments on your own - not on a public forum.
I will still say again - there's no misinformation and myths in this topic. There are definitely issues to address, however, it's already starting to get out of hand. Until everyone has calmed down, there's no point addressing those.
The fact that you repeatedly claim that (1) You're not prepared to type, (2) You can't be bothered to explain, (3) can't be bothered to care etc. means that you should just stay out until you either gain some knowledge or know enough or you finally bother enough. Like I said, dun dive in like you're afraid you are missing out on a party.
Please read above. I'm not going to repeat anything.
I also dun see any issue whether Parn needs to tell us anything. Why r u in such a hurry to end this thread? Its obviously a "want driven" issue, not a "need driven" issue but I've seen more cases of people making expensive purchases for things they dun need.
And? If it's a "need" issue and they are asking for advice, all the points are valid. If it's a "want" issue, the points are still valid, but the point of a discussion?
Studied Home Economics before? About the planning and buying of things? The wants vs the needs?
I will still say the same thing - advice is advice. Changing one's opinion or decision is a no-no, especially if it's a "want", not a "need". We are not salesmen. We don't run a business. I have no gain from them making a certain choice. I don't lose anything because they make a certain choice. We are only here to give correct advice and our opinion; the users will decide themselves.
But threads like this are far more useful in dispelling myths and misinformation than your superficial perceptions that prompt you to want to dismiss it. Lots of people are confused by the title of this thread. Few really know.
Certainly, but it's definitely the wrong topic to discuss in. It's a want, not a need. Same issues are present, but really, the point of discussion other than costs?
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Just close the thread. It is outlived its purpose, really.
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Originally posted by Preternatural.stuff:
Then please read the WHOLE THREAD b4 u dive in then.
So now the truth is exposed - you only install the XP for one software, a game - but then make all sorts of claims like you're an expert, assuring people that it runs like any Windows PC, no problems. But when you get found out by alert forumers, you admit the circumstances of your very limited usage and experience.
I think you've got a garang guni sack over your head.
In your original post:
Dun kid me. You claimed "Not true" to a point about PC being better suited for running Windows (common-sensical really) and then claim that Mac hardware is as good - at a higher price, lower hardware specs and paying for the equivalent of 2 OS? Parn wanted to use only Windows - got that? Or you got a garang guni sack blinding you?
The obvious comparator (even if removing the OS cost) is of course against PC hardware specs. But you back track to change your tone when you got found out. Good deal over its original SRP price? Again dun kid me about a 10% discount!
Your original post:
You make spurious claims about how it "works like any other PC/laptops running Windows", "no problems...", "working fine" - when all you do is install it to run one partcular software but then try to paint it with some authority that its utopia, the sun is shining down on you and the birds are chirping in your ear...
Obviously, a user who only wants to use Windows would be better off to run PC.
Hell, in your position, I run so much photography software on my Windows lappie and I truly have no problems. I can even run games too without having to pay for and install a second OS!
Typical Mac user glossing over the real issues cos you have no real understanding of the issues of stability and interoperability. The fact that you got rebuked so quickly shows that you are typically repeating the Mac marketing message ad nauseum. Then you try desperately to change your tone and message when your ignorance gets found out immediately by alert people on this forum.
This is what I mean by the amount of myths and crap and inaccuracies on this deceptively simple thread. Dig beyond the superficial surface of all that "its fine, do it, run Windows on Mac hardware and you won't have any problems" crap and the truth gushes out.
You're pretty ignorant. YES, I admit I installed Windows XP just for one game. But I was a Windows user since Windows 95. I know perfectly well how XP works and everything about it. So after installing it on my MBP, I tried it out to see whether is there any limitations (in terms of usage and not your continuous ranting about stability and interoperability.) and I found that there's none.
You are complaining about interoperability simply because you are scrutinizing macs. You sound like you are some uber tech savvy guy that needs to be at the fore front when it comes to technology (and security/software updates and patches). Like I've said, I don't mind and won't care if future software updates for XP/Vista aren't compatible on my mac because Windows XP will no longer be the main OS I'm using.
Obviously I also know that a guy is better off using a PC if Windows is all he uses. But you are also kinda blind? Parn wanted to run Windows on a MacBook because it looks nice and if Windows runs normally on it, that would be a plus point. So I was answering to his question, yes windows can run normally on a MacBook. But I wasn't implying running Windows on MacBook is better than running Windows on a PC.
10% discount seems little in isolation, but please factor in the fact that Apple has and will always be rigid with their pricing. And I don't see where I've changed my tone at all. Yes, I love my MBP and I don't see what's wrong with that. I love it because I can use a safer, faster and more stable OS (Mac OS X) and still be able to run XP on it. Unlike PCs, without a hack you cannot put Mac OS X in it. At least Apple is kind enough to provide Boot Camp Assistant as a legal way to install Windows OS on a Mac.
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This is way getting out of hand. It will just get into an infinite loop of arguments and rebuttles.