Outlook for the IT industry ....
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Less than $2000. But most tend to be in the technical side, like networking, maintenance etc.Originally posted by Fatum:I know java of course .... did some JSP work as well ...
but fark ! .... $1000 to $2000 ? .... if a degree holder gets that much, how much are the poly grads getting ? ....
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yes its same but here is reali underpaid... unless u reali tat gd n u know someone who can pull u into big corporate... but looks like ur heart already set to come bk then come bk n feast lo...Originally posted by Fatum:it's the same everywhere lah .... though I know I make more than what I'll make in Singapore now, I don't get CPF, I fork out nearly 40% in taxes, I pay 14% GST .... so it ends up more or less the same .....
and as for the indians and cheenas ... they are here too ..... and if we are getting second tier talents in Singapore, it's only because all the first tiers are already in north america .... competition is stiffer here also ......
I dunno lah ... things are still hanging in the air right now ....
+ dun tink u'll ever get ur cpf back...
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ya but the indian/cheenas will also switch too so they will still b here to spoil market...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Actually, if he prefers, can start learning Linux or Apple. Some companies are switching to alternative platforms and that's what killing the foreign talents. -
haiiz..Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:...................
There's no such thing as correct path. Neither will upgrading oneself constantly guarantee you a job.
Being unique doesn't guarantee you a job as well... because it's so rare that one wonders if it's ever practical to implement.
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Yeah... and they will be faster than us too... because they are poorer.Originally posted by BrUtUs:ya but the indian/cheenas will also switch too so they will still b here to spoil market...
This means they are willing to find alternatives and learn. -
If you can't beat them, don't join them - hire them.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Yeah... and they will be faster than us too... because they are poorer.
This means they are willing to find alternatives and learn.
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Then you go drink North West wind?Originally posted by LatecomerX:If you can't beat them, don't join them - hire them. -
What I meant was to start your own business and take advantage of their (relatively) cheap labour, which is getting cheaper each day until the rate of FT influx declines, instead of competing head-to-head against them.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Then you go drink North West wind?
But if the biz folds, you want to lim NW wind also dun have. Break wind wan ma? -
If not IT and something else?
I graduated from NYP, with Dip in EI, but I do have like a slight change of
field though.
I still do programming, but I have to work in a damn old env.
Tried C in DOS, and with hardware such as ISA bus IBM 8255,
damn old ADC 71 measurement card and units.
Some combination of hardware and software.
I guess I can "tahan" all these weird and old stuff, I managed to
draw >2K per month.
Now I am slowly upgrading stuff to .Net....
Next stage, after the .Net is stable, Linux!!!! -
...........Originally posted by LatecomerX:What I meant was to start your own business and take advantage of their (relatively) cheap labour, which is getting cheaper each day until the rate of FT influx declines, instead of competing head-to-head against them.
But if the biz folds, you want to lim NW wind also dun have. Break wind wan ma?
Against Singaporeans sia... I may not be able to do it if I ever set up my own business.
Break wind you go and do lah. -
Simi against SG-lang? I mean hire FTs because they (relatively) cheap hor. So SG-lang become bosses while FTs become employees while providing (relatively) cheap labour for their employers. What's so bad about that?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:...........
Against Singaporeans sia... I may not be able to do it if I ever set up my own business.
Break wind you go and do lah.
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I still don't get your logic.Originally posted by LatecomerX:Simi against SG-lang? I mean hire FTs because they (relatively) cheap hor. So SG-lang become bosses while FTs become employees while providing (relatively) cheap labour for their employers. What's so bad about that?
*Sings "Dong Feng Po"*
Dong Feng Po, very familiar. Must be sung by a hated singer of mine. -
Err...in short, it's about Singaporeans taking advantage of the situation by hiring FTs because the cost of hiring them is going down due to their influx.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I still don't get your logic.
Dong Feng Po, very familiar. Must be sung by a hated singer of mine.
And I didn't know you hate Jay Chou before this. He sings "Dong Feng Po" doesn't mean he "chou" ma. He got sing "Qi Li Xiang" also wor. -
I don't like Jay Chou. Haha.Originally posted by LatecomerX:Err...in short, it's about Singaporeans taking advantage of the situation by hiring FTs because the cost of hiring them is going down due to their influx.
And I didn't know you hate Jay Chou before this. He sings "Dong Feng Po" doesn't mean he "chou" ma. He got sing "Qi Li Xiang" also wor.