Gang-raped, yet woman gets 6 months' jail, 200 lashes
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so.. against 7 people, her defense is suicide?Originally posted by frakfrakfrak:Bear: Well that's why there is a provision for self defence right? Also, I do not say that it was ok for the woman to be raped. The judge PROBABLY decided she was negligent on guarding her chastity and gave her an overly severe punishment. I am not agreeing with that. I am agreeing with the judge's verdict on negligence.
Lazerlordz: I think the law in Saudi Arabia is based on the current realities of Saudi Arabia and is the best for Saudi Arabia based on the current socio-political environment there. Btw, what is the statistic for rape in Saudi Arabia and the statistic for rape in America? -
do you agree with this ? .... "relativity" aside ? ...Originally posted by MohamedF:Yes, no man has the right to rape her... but the law in question has stated a law on the woman's part to prevent rape and by breaching that law the woman was considered to have "invited rape" which is considered an offence in that law...
so you have a girlfriend ? ... do you go out with her as a couple regularly ? ....
or would you go out with a girl ... if you don't have a girlfriend ? ... -
Andrew: Exactly. Powerful men should not rape but sometimes, they do. So how to prevent? Lets put it this way. In the West, the law is designed to create a reality. That reality is designed by the desires of the power elite and any who break that law will be punished. Hence, the people must live up to the law. The President must not rape. If rape = punish.
In Saudi Arabia, there is that element there too, but there is also an element of laws that address the basal condition of things and try to find the best way to prevent the crime from even occuring. The President must not rape. The President can have 4 wives. The President's words must be obeyed. People must not entice the president. blah blah blah. If President still rape = punish. Actually, in the West they have these things too but they're called State secrets.
Which is better? To each his own I guess and God will sort them out. -
how to prevent?
by punishing the victim?
man.. you need help.. -
the chap just doesn't want to admit that he's painted himself into a corner, and can't get down on that "cultural relativity" high horse he's climbed on ...
but I like that part about "america" in his original post .... it's cute .... -
let's put this in a scenario form ....
rapists: "hey, we're cool, you're cute, let's hang out at the park ... "
victim: " oh, they look cute, and harmless ... why not, I'd like to be friends with them" ....
is this innocent enough ? .... is she "prostituting" herself in your books ? .... say if no rape happened, would you like to give her 200 lashes ? ... -
Bear: I did not agree to the punishment. I agreed with the judge's verdict on the incident, on account of (1) his scholarly authority (2) performance record of the laws of the land.
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Fatum: I see you are a proponent of the surprise rape idea. This idea if implemented in law will see alot of young women getting raped because it does not inspect the causality of the rape event.
http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
Laws should *not* be based on ideologically derived naive interpretations of reality. This is why Singapore is a great country. -
No I think by that time it was too late to prevent the crime.Originally posted by the Bear:so.. against 7 people, her defense is suicide? -
i never know someone's wife is a whore
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what are you trying to say ? ... that in the US there are lot of rape cases ? ... or that young women are asking for it ? ...Originally posted by frakfrakfrak:Fatum: I see you are a proponent of the surprise rape idea. This idea if implemented in law will see alot of young women getting raped because it does not inspect the causality of the rape event.
http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
Laws should *not* be based on ideologically derived naive interpretations of reality. This is why Singapore is a great country.
you're probably smoking some really good stuff ... -
you know in the dog's world the b itch kenna ass lape by the male also like that later giv birth that' show they continue their race
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I noticed something about SGF. Almost all the threads that are more than two pages long aren't about intellectual discussion. It's either internet disputes or small talk.
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As I have mentioned before, the Islamic rules are very biased against the female gender.
Ask yourself this qn. Who wrote the Qu'ran? Who set the Islamic rules? of course is Men. (dun tell me Qu'ran just drop from heaven, given by God Allah himself)
As such, in the ancient time, they used religious laws as means to rule over the females. It is very often to see laws that are discriminative to the women in Arab Islamic laws. Men use religion to justify all kinds of unjust actions. Since they realize they have no right to impose their will on others, they claim that god commanded it.
In this case, you have to ask yourself again why a rape victim is punished more severely than the gang rapers. Cos the Islamic law put 99% of the blame on women. Men rape becos women wore too sexy clothes? Becos they are in the same cars as unrelated men?
So funny logic. then guess Arab men (even other Muslims eg in Malaysia) have no self constraint at all?
Talking about unjust act, do you all still remember in 2005 (I'm not sure also), there was a big fire in a all-female school in Saudi Arabia.
But the Saudi religious police refused to let the female students out of the school simply because the dress code. The students were not covered from top to bottom. In the end, most of the female students died in the fire tragedy just because the religious police deny their escapes.
So to those moronic idiotic brainless Saudi religious police, female lives are worthed much lesser than some stupid discriminative Arabic Islamic dress code. Screw those retards. -
I'm not surprised. Some Arabian countries are still extremely backward when it comes to women.Originally posted by Lin Yu:what has the world become
It's sad, though. -
I'm saying that we should not look through culturally superior eyes at events in the world. Perhaps, there is a greater logic that is at work that we do not understand. It is good therefore to understand events within the context at which they occur. Only after sufficient study can we pronounce judgment. Mutual respect is a good basis for friendly relations.Originally posted by Fatum:what are you trying to say ? ... that in the US there are lot of rape cases ? ... or that young women are asking for it ? ...
you're probably smoking some really good stuff ... -
perhaps...perhaps.....perhaps desker road hokkien mee tastes better than american restaurant's hokkien mee
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so ur point is?Originally posted by kcockicht:perhaps...perhaps.....perhaps desker road hokkien mee tastes better than american restaurant's hokkien mee -
2 free weekend nothing to do lehOriginally posted by ArdusKane:I noticed something about SGF. Almost all the threads that are more than two pages long aren't about intellectual discussion. It's either internet disputes or small talk. 
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which part you still don't understand ? ....Originally posted by frakfrakfrak:I'm saying that we should not look through culturally superior eyes at events in the world. Perhaps, there is a greater logic that is at work that we do not understand. It is good therefore to understand events within the context at which they occur. Only after sufficient study can we pronounce judgment. Mutual respect is a good basis for friendly relations.
it's not about cultural relativity here ! ....
there is right logic, and there is wrong logic ... you can either have your own ethical stand and stand by it, or you can hide behind the cloak of "cultural relativity" and agree with anything ... in this case we're not talking about the death penalty or even Terrorism here ... we're talking about rape ... and the victim ...
if it's the former, I think you need serious psychiatric help .... if it's the latter, then you're just trying to be an intellectual bullshitter who likes to spout what you think is fashionable ...
first you imply that she's asking for it, then you say that it's all relative to the society, then you say that you don't agree with the punishment, but you agree with the judge ? ... .... do you agree that it's right, or wrong ? you still haven't answered question yet ...
would you like to edit your post about her "being a prostitute" ? ... cos that is so telling about you .... -
i was comparing american hokkien mee and out local hokkien mee whichone tastes betterOriginally posted by Spartans:so ur point is? -
of cuz desker road laOriginally posted by kcockicht:i was comparing american hokkien mee and out local hokkien mee whichone tastes better 
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like that i want to migrate there liao
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oh yel bangla ass esOriginally posted by unclebutcher:of cuz desker road la -
So we can draw two conclusions:-
(1) There are some forum members that believe that in a rape situation, the men is 100% at fault and it doesn't matter what the girl did.
(2) There are some forum members who believe that if there is a possibility that the chances of rape can be increased and the woman took that risk, the woman is at fault as well.
So who is correct? Or is it that there is no correct answer and it depends on culture?
This thread got me thinking. There was once my friend was discussing about the woman's charter and he said it was a joke. That the woman's charter was made to make the law "more fair" to them. The charter was designed to make the men look like they're always at fault.
I didn't fully agree coz I'm not a lawyer. But it got me thinking. We are raised in a society that women is considered the weaker species and men must protect them. And wrong doing between the man and woman, the man is usually at fault.
Does this have anything to do with our judgement in this case. Are we really treating men and women as equal?
The Truth is... I don't know... I'm getting a headache just thinking about it. (-_-)"