Should we be fair to Chinese PRCS?
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just curious,Dalforce 1941 r u born in 1941?that makes u 2012-1941=71 yrs old?
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
If pragmatic and down to earth means mandarin is the dominant language of Singapore since chinese is almost 75% of Singapore. It is also a neutral language as it is not the mother tongue language of any group in Singapore.
If speaking English is suppression of Chinese, does speaking Mandarin mean suppression of Malay? And does speaking malay mean supression of Tamil?
Also you agree that it is a neutral language, so that is reason enough for it to be our first language. -
Originally posted by foolsh_2000:
just curious,Dalforce 1941 r u born in 1941?that makes u 2012-1941=71 yrs old?
I'm guessing his name is a reference to the guerilla warefare group during British time, which operated in 1941.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
You have not answered me if you are chinese educated.
You don't even have pride in your own culture.
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Originally posted by Uraniumfish:
I'm guessing his name is a reference to the guerilla warefare group during British time, which operated in 1941.
Malayan Peoples' Anti-Japanese Army was the guerilla group. Dalforce was the more coventional military group.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
You don't even have pride in your own culture.
You have serious problem. Blame this blame that. That has nothing to do with I don't have pride with my culture. You don't know me personally to tell how I treasure my culture. Just because I don't condone your "blindness", stubborn character and foolishness you conclude I don't have pride in my culture. You damn shallow lol to view that way.
Not all old men are reasonable, you are one of them.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
You don't know me personally to tell how I treasure my culture.
But you support english as dominant language. You support anglicisation. Isn't that clear enough?
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
But you support english as dominant language. You support anglicisation. Isn't that clear enough?
If you don't have wisdom but prove to us here you are foolish, stubborn, unreasonable and lack understanding everything you will view as your own distorted view. You very crappy.
So what if English is the dominant language? Do you dare go outside Istana and outside house of LKY to protest for English not to be made the dominant language in this country? IF not then shut your gap.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
If you don't have wisdom but prove to us here you are foolish, stubborn, unreasonable and lack understanding everything you will view as your own distorted view. You very crappy.
So what if English is the dominant language? Do you dare go outside Istana and outside house of LKY to protest for English not to be made the dominant language in this country? IF not then shut your gap.
Where in the world besides anglo countries will you find a person that treasure their own culture but pushes anglicisation?
SINGAPORE is a "freak", because it is lacking in terms of geopolitics, economics, size, population and culture, said former communist leader Fang Chuang Pi, dubbed the "Plen" by Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
He added that, in his assessment, the country had "narrow room for manoeuvre in various areas and will run into difficulties in future".
He gave this assessment of Singapore as an unnatural country, a freak of history, in an interview with Malaysia's Chinese-language newspaper, Nanyang Siang Pau, in which he disclosed that he had discussed the Republic's prospects with the Senior Minister when they met in Beijing in August 1995.
He told Mr Lee: "I said that Singapore was a 'freak', but a 'freak' was often a genius, and most geniuses died young. For in terms of geopolitics, economics, size and population, Singapore is congenitally deficient."
The two men also discussed the issue of culture, he added.
"I said that using a certain language to create a culture, the culture created can at best be a commercial culture, or technology culture, or we may call it pasar culture. It has no roots, and identifies itself with a certain material interest. It is the product of expediency.
"It is like duckweed, floating at the harbour. When it absorbs fertilisers, it will flourish very quickly. But once it rains and floods set in, it will perish," he said in an interview conducted in a restaurant in Haadyai, near the Thai-Malaysian border.http://ourstory.asia1.com.sg/independence/
"I said that using a certain language to create a culture, the culture created can at best be a commercial culture, or technology culture, or we may call it pasar culture. It has no roots, and identifies itself with a certain material interest. It is the product of expediency.
"It is like duckweed, floating at the harbour. When it absorbs fertilisers, it will flourish very quickly. But once it rains and floods set in, it will perish,"Tajik leader proposes banning Russian language for official use
DUSHANBE, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - Tajikistan's president has proposed banning the Russian language from being used in public institutions and official documents, a move he said would promote the development of Tajik and bolster patriotism in the country.
"The dignity of a nation is determined, above all, by how people preserve and respect their language,"
Emomali Rakhmon said in a televised address late on Wednesday.
Rakhmon urged a new language law to amend 1989 legislation that defined Tajik as the official language and Russian as a language of "interethnic communication," which gave the latter a de facto official status allowing people to use it in dealing with authorities, and receive information and documents in Tajik or Russian.
The new draft law proposed by the president and submitted to parliament obliges all nationals to know Tajik and speak it in official situations and public workplaces.
The president criticized newspaper journalists for a poor knowledge of Tajik, for using clumsy or misleading phrases and terminology, and even making spelling mistakes.
In the Soviet period, Russian was the lingua franca among the various ethnic groups in Tajikistan and other ex-Soviet republics. Many ethnic Russians have fled Tajikistan since the breakup of the Soviet Union and the ensuing civil war, but Russian is still spoken by much of the native population.
Russian is still an official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and it is also widely spoken in Ukraine and some other parts of the former Soviet Union.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Where in the world besides anglo countries will you find a person that treasure their own culture but pushes anglicisation?
Not everything is about politics, you fool. Senile old man!
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Treasure culture indeed. Nothing but PAP bullshit.
Tajikistan's president has proposed banning the Russian language from being used in public institutions and official documents, a move he said would promote the development of Tajik and bolster patriotism in the country.
"The dignity of a nation is determined, above all, by how people preserve and respect their language,"
The president criticized newspaper journalists for a poor knowledge of Tajik, for using clumsy or misleading phrases and terminology, and even making spelling mistakes."I said that using a certain language to create a culture, the culture created can at best be a commercial culture, or technology culture, or we may call it pasar culture.
It has no roots, and identifies itself with a certain material interest. It is the product of expediency.
"It is like duckweed, floating at the harbour. When it absorbs fertilisers, it will flourish very quickly. But once it rains and floods set in, it will perish," -
Originally posted by SJS6638:
You have serious problem. Blame this blame that. That has nothing to do with I don't have pride with my culture. You don't know me personally to tell how I treasure my culture. Just because I don't condone your "blindness", stubborn character and foolishness you conclude I don't have pride in my culture. You damn shallow lol to view that way.
Not all old men are reasonable, you are one of them.
Dalforce thinks that just because most people in Singapore are ethnic Chinese, Singapore should have Mandarin as the main working language instead of English. So all the Indians, Malays and 'others' have to learn a language that is totally irrelevant and useless to them, not unlike the Chinese and Indians learning Malay in Malaysia.
He fails to see that Singapore is not like South Korea where it's Kims as far as the eye can see (non-multiracial and mono-cultural). We are multiracial and hybrid-cultural (not exactly multicultural), so we can't just use the 2nd language of the racial majority. Even if you are an old Singaporean, your native language would be malay, then comes your mother tongue (like my paternal grandmother). -
Not everything is about politics, you fool.
True. You must learn to differentiate which is political, which is non political.
When the issue of which language to use or not to use arises, it's clear.
It is completely, totally, fully and thoroughly political.
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Originally posted by Uraniumfish:
Dalforce thinks that just because most people in Singapore are ethnic Chinese, Singapore should have Mandarin as the main working language instead of English.
I don't think so, there can be multiple working languages as long as they're not alien to native people.
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Originally posted by Uraniumfish:
Dalforce thinks that just because most people in Singapore are ethnic Chinese, Singapore should have Mandarin as the main working language instead of English. So all the Indians, Malays and 'others' have to learn a language that is totally irrelevant and useless to them, not unlike the Chinese and Indians learning Malay in Malaysia.
He fails to see that Singapore is not like South Korea where it's Kims as far as the eye can see (non-multiracial and mono-cultural). We are multiracial and hybrid-cultural (not exactly multicultural), so we can't just use the 2nd language of the racial majority. Even if you are an old Singaporean, your native language would be malay, then comes your mother tongue (like my paternal grandmother).Yes, exactly.
To him almost everything is about politics. He refuses to exercise understanding, going in circle round and round and keeps saying the same thing. (Sounds senile!). Ironically, he keeps using English to post here when he is so against the English language to be used in Singapore. Just another hypocrite. Probably he is Chinese educated.
He does not seem to fit in.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
Where in the world besides anglo countries will you find a person that treasure their own culture but pushes anglicisation?
SINGAPORE is a "freak", because it is lacking in terms of geopolitics, economics, size, population and culture, said former communist leader Fang Chuang Pi, dubbed the "Plen" by Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
He added that, in his assessment, the country had "narrow room for manoeuvre in various areas and will run into difficulties in future".
He gave this assessment of Singapore as an unnatural country, a freak of history, in an interview with Malaysia's Chinese-language newspaper, Nanyang Siang Pau, in which he disclosed that he had discussed the Republic's prospects with the Senior Minister when they met in Beijing in August 1995.
He told Mr Lee: "I said that Singapore was a 'freak', but a 'freak' was often a genius, and most geniuses died young. For in terms of geopolitics, economics, size and population, Singapore is congenitally deficient."
The two men also discussed the issue of culture, he added.
"I said that using a certain language to create a culture, the culture created can at best be a commercial culture, or technology culture, or we may call it pasar culture. It has no roots, and identifies itself with a certain material interest. It is the product of expediency.
"It is like duckweed, floating at the harbour. When it absorbs fertilisers, it will flourish very quickly. But once it rains and floods set in, it will perish," he said in an interview conducted in a restaurant in Haadyai, near the Thai-Malaysian border.http://ourstory.asia1.com.sg/independence/
"I said that using a certain language to create a culture, the culture created can at best be a commercial culture, or technology culture, or we may call it pasar culture. It has no roots, and identifies itself with a certain material interest. It is the product of expediency.
"It is like duckweed, floating at the harbour. When it absorbs fertilisers, it will flourish very quickly. But once it rains and floods set in, it will perish,"Tajik leader proposes banning Russian language for official use
DUSHANBE, July 23 (RIA Novosti) - Tajikistan's president has proposed banning the Russian language from being used in public institutions and official documents, a move he said would promote the development of Tajik and bolster patriotism in the country.
"The dignity of a nation is determined, above all, by how people preserve and respect their language,"
Emomali Rakhmon said in a televised address late on Wednesday.
Rakhmon urged a new language law to amend 1989 legislation that defined Tajik as the official language and Russian as a language of "interethnic communication," which gave the latter a de facto official status allowing people to use it in dealing with authorities, and receive information and documents in Tajik or Russian.
The new draft law proposed by the president and submitted to parliament obliges all nationals to know Tajik and speak it in official situations and public workplaces.
The president criticized newspaper journalists for a poor knowledge of Tajik, for using clumsy or misleading phrases and terminology, and even making spelling mistakes.
In the Soviet period, Russian was the lingua franca among the various ethnic groups in Tajikistan and other ex-Soviet republics. Many ethnic Russians have fled Tajikistan since the breakup of the Soviet Union and the ensuing civil war, but Russian is still spoken by much of the native population.
Russian is still an official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and it is also widely spoken in Ukraine and some other parts of the former Soviet Union.
Please note that Mandarin is not Singapore's Tajik. In other words, English is our language, not mandarin.
And also, are you seriously going to quote some stinking commie to explain the relationship between English and Singaporean culture?
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Originally posted by Uraniumfish:
Please note that Mandarin is not Singapore's Tajik. In other words, English is our language, not mandarin.
And also, are you seriously going to quote some stinking commie to explain the relationship between English and Singaporean culture?
He is living in the wrong place. He will fit in well in Chinese speaking countries China and Taiwan. He does not seem to fit in to multiracial Singapore. Probably in his young days he was jilted by British angmo lady and become who he is now hating the English and English language.
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Originally posted by SJS6638:
He is living in the wrong place. He will fit in well in Chinese speaking countries China and Taiwan. He does not seem to fit in to multiracial Singapore. Probably in his young days he was jilted by British angmo lady and become who he is now hating the English and English language.
Yeah, like you said, he may be Chinese educated. For some reason, Chinese educated Singaporeans like to treat Singapore as a mini province of China. Like that Low Thia Khiang, always talking about Chinese Singaporeans needing to focus on Mandarin and not English, and totally ignoring those who don't speak mandarin.
They think that Singapore is a bilingual country that only uses English and Mandarin, when in fact, most people here are bilingual, but Singapore is a multilingual country.
If you give these people too much room, they will completely abolish English and establish Mandarin as Singapore's working language. Maybe even create a new national anthem and change our national language from Malay to Mandarin as well. -
Originally posted by FireIce:
got indian PRCs?
People's Republic Of Calcutta.
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>hammer bert<