another outing ah!
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sigh, if you really want to differentiate whinehouse as a jc forum with the rest of the forums, then i will look into my comments in the futureOriginally posted by laurence82:this is getting nowhere
all i am asking, is that you stop continuing your this personal thing against JC students, right here in this forum
this is not much to ask for
i have not ask u to shut up in the chit chat forum, i wouldnt mind if you set up an anti jc forum or whatsoever
i wouldnt agree to these opinions, and my objective in this debate is that you cease and desist doing such thing in other people places, amidst pleas for a cessation
i do hope you are mature enough to understand this particular request -
i said before, its a place full of JC students mixing with others regardless of statusOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:sigh, if you really want to differentiate whinehouse as a jc forum with the rest of the forums, then i will look into my comments in the future
why are you ignoring this point? strangely, why do i have to repeat this point?
like i said also, you could not prove your point, therefore, its not the whole truth. its a personal opinion, and its unfair to label others with untruth, even worse, in a place where people personally told you before not to do it, even now
this is the point, not the whole thing about whinehouse being a JC forum solely
look at the big picture -
i don't need to touch the kettle 100 times to know it is hot. i will have the mental image to avoid touching it on the 4th timeOriginally posted by laurence82:the analogy is poor
a boiling kettle is dangerous even if you touch it 100 times, but there are 30000 DIFFERENT human beings you are talking about, you are tarring the same lot with the same brush
that is what people called generalisation
u feel like you are being attacked? again, feelings....i feel like you are not proving the point, therefore i will say you are still wrong? does this kind of argument hold water?
sheesh
don't all kettles have the potential to be hot and hurt someone? 30,000 different brands of kettles and they still have the potential to scald someone.
if u can put up proper views and don't let me think that u are bias against me, i feel it will be time well spend to help answer your questions. but since i feel attacked already, then bo bian.
dun tell me to forget you are ah lau or i am R3sshin. once scalded, twice shy. -
objectively, its your egoistic self that is an obstacle to learning
once you can remove the view of 'your personal self', you can get rid of the feeling you are being attacked by another person
btw, ego is not a negative thing, not soley pride, ego also means self -
your objective was to tell me not to shit in this jc forum. so why the point is not about whinehouse being a jc forum?Originally posted by laurence82:i said before, its a place full of JC students mixing with others regardless of status
why are you ignoring this point? strangely, why do i have to repeat this point?
like i said also, you could not prove your point, therefore, its not the whole truth. its a personal opinion, and its unfair to label others with untruth, even worse, in a place where people personally told you before not to do it, even now
this is the point, not the whole thing about whinehouse being a JC forum solely
look at the big picture
haiz..to let u see my point would need u to be stepping in my shoes for the last 6 months.. -
kettles and human are two different thing, kettle are made in the mould and function the same wayOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:i don't need to touch the kettle 100 times to know it is hot. i will have the mental image to avoid touching it on the 4th time
don't all kettles have the potential to be hot and hurt someone? 30,000 different brands of kettles and they still have the potential to scald someone.
if u can put up proper views and don't let me think that u are bias against me, i feel it will be time well spend to help answer your questions. but since i feel attacked already, then bo bian.
dun tell me to forget you are ah lau or i am R3sshin. once scalded, twice shy.
if 30, 000 JC students have the potential have the ability to hurt someone, 6 billion damn human beings would too
now, isnt this just being plain biased against a group of people that is the same as other people?
the analogy is not strong enough
logic is logic, actual situation is actual situation
pls do not use logic or kettle, an unemotional element to represent human, an organism
sigh, why on earth do you feel so much about personal attacks? is this relevant? can personal attack means you are right?
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u call it ego, i call it protection.Originally posted by laurence82:objectively, its your egoistic self that is an obstacle to learning
once you can remove the view of 'your personal self', you can get rid of the feeling you are being attacked by another person
btw, ego is not a negative thing, not soley pride, ego also means self
u already put me on guard, how can i get rid of the feeling of being attacked? -
whinehouse was never a JC forumOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:your objective was to tell me not to shit in this jc forum. so why the point is not about whinehouse being a jc forum?
haiz..to let u see my point would need u to be stepping in my shoes for the last 6 months..
does it have the word JC on it? its not the Republic Polytechnic, nor it is the ACJC forum, neither it is the NUS forum
its the whinehouse, what so hard abt it?
you neglect the part where i said, its a forum with large JC students mixing with other people regardless of status
and they do not need someone to constantly remind them they are from different instituitions
nobody else is doing it, why are you doing it then? -
its not about kettles and humans. its about being careful when handling kettles due to past experience of scalding...Originally posted by laurence82:kettles and human are two different thing, kettle are made in the mould and function the same way
if 30, 000 JC students have the potential have the ability to hurt someone, 6 billion damn human beings would too
now, isnt this just being plain biased against a group of people that is the same as other people?
the analogy is not strong enough
logic is logic, actual situation is actual situation
pls do not use logic or kettle, an unemotional element to represent human, an organism
sigh, why on earth do you feel so much about personal attacks? is this relevant? can personal attack means you are right?
why are you putting this as the major factor? or is this an excuse not to face the actual question, which is ur action?
if u didn't attack me on the get go, i would have try to answer your points to the best of my abilities. but since i feel u are attacking me, i don't see the point of reasoning the actual question. sort of like u are not in a stable mind. -
attack, protection, on guardOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:u call it ego, i call it protection.
u already put me on guard, how can i get rid of the feeling of being attacked?
all are obstacles to higher learning and objectivity
truth is never personal
if you put personal element in it its flawed
since this issue is about your actions, why do you need to protect yourself?
i thought you should be defending your actions?
also, is being attacked the issue here?
why divert to personal attacks?
we have not gone over the part where u do not have the right to air your untruth in other people territory despite them airing their grievances?
how can feeling personal attacks be used as an excuse to justify your earlier actions?
pray, do ans each question -
you said i shouldn't say bad things about my neighbour because i am in my neighbour's house...Originally posted by laurence82:whinehouse was never a JC forum
does it have the word JC on it? its not the Republic Polytechnic, nor it is the ACJC forum, neither it is the NUS forum
its the whinehouse, what so hard abt it?
you neglect the part where i said, its a forum with large JC students mixing with other people regardless of status
and they do not need someone to constantly remind them they are from different instituitions
nobody else is doing it, why are you doing it then?
then u go on to say i shouldn't say bad things about jc students since this is whinehouse...
thus whinehouse = neighbour's house
if you get it...
i am not happy because u indicated that this is a jc forum and i shouldn't say bad things about jc just because i am in a jc house...
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NopeOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:its not about kettles and humans. its about being careful when handling kettles due to past experience of scalding...
if u didn't attack me on the get go, i would have try to answer your points to the best of my abilities. but since i feel u are attacking me, i don't see the point of reasoning the actual question. sort of like u are not in a stable mind.
Dont use personal attacks as excuse to get away
Like i said, since i have started this in a dragged down fashion, i would not cease till you desist.
Personal attacks does not justify your earlier actions. It even stray away from the issue.
If a thief has committed a crime, he is wrong, even if the judge snide him, he is still wrong
Using the judge personal attacks does not justify that he has done no crime. He must defend his position -
do not cleverly tweak the logicOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:you said i shouldn't say bad things about my neighbour because i am in my neighbour's house...
then u go on to say i shouldn't say bad things about jc students since this is whinehouse...
thus whinehouse = neighbour's house
if you get it...
i am not happy because u indicated that this is a jc forum and i shouldn't say bad things about jc just because i am in a jc house...
this is other people territory, and as i have said they have aired their grievances about you making stinging remarks against them
they happened to be JC students, this happened to be their house
get it?
JC students forum and JC forum is two diff thing
one happened to be owned or participated by a large number of JC students, and the other is a forum to purely discuss JC issues -
argh, why not protect myself when you already condemn me from the start?Originally posted by laurence82:attack, protection, on guard
all are obstacles to higher learning and objectivity
truth is never personal
if you put personal element in it its flawed
since this issue is about your actions, why do you need to protect yourself?
i thought you should be defending your actions?
also, is being attacked the issue here?
why divert to personal attacks?
we have not gone over the part where u do not have the right to air your untruth in other people territory despite them airing their grievances?
how can feeling personal attacks be used as an excuse to justify your earlier actions?
pray, do ans each question
there were times where i defended my points about jc students in some other topics...guess you weren't there to see it...
those are when i defended my actions. i defend them because they saw things objectively, not start hitting me from the first post.
i am not justifying my actions in this thread because i dun see the need to when you are already hitting me from the start...
the wall ah lau...the wall... -
"Personal attacks does not justify your earlier actions. It even stray away from the issue. "Originally posted by laurence82:Nope
Dont use personal attacks as excuse to get away
Like i said, since i have started this in a dragged down fashion, i would not cease till you desist.
Personal attacks does not justify your earlier actions. It even stray away from the issue.
If a thief has committed a crime, he is wrong, even if the judge snide him, he is still wrong
Using the judge personal attacks does not justify that he has done no crime. He must defend his position
personal attack is on me?
jeez...if the judge thinks a thief is always in the wrong, then does it matter whether to have a fair trial for the thief?
answer is no.
since the verdict is always the same. -
like i said, i did not care what you said in chit chat or other forumsOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:argh, why not protect myself when you already condemn me from the start?
there were times where i defended my points about jc students in some other topics...guess you weren't there to see it...
those are when i defended my actions. i defend them because they saw things objectively, not start hitting me from the first post.
i am not justifying my actions in this thread because i dun see the need to when you are already hitting me from the start...
the wall ah lau...the wall...
let me repeat and repeat and repeat
a) you have personal opinions that you cannot justify
b) you use this personal opinion to repeatedly make stinging remarks about JC students in this forum
c) you are pissing in other people territory
on top of that, an action is an action, you were taken to task for your actions, all you have to do is to defend or confess your actions
personal attacks were never the issue, and strangely why only in this page or the last you started talking about personal attacks and that i condemn youright from the start, when you have the opportunity to do so earlier?
lastly, why is personal attack an issue, or an excuse not to respond?
in the first place you talk about what is solely your own views and experience thats why you do not need to justify, now you are talking about personal attacks thats why you do not need to justify
make up your mind, which is which? -
trial? are we holding a trial here?Originally posted by R3SsH|n:"Personal attacks does not justify your earlier actions. It even stray away from the issue. "
personal attack is on me?
jeez...if the judge thinks a thief is always in the wrong, then does it matter whether to have a fair trial for the thief?
answer is no.
since the verdict is always the same.
you miss the point of the analogy, i am not a judge, or else you would be questioning what right i have to judge you blah blah
what you should be learning from the point is that, if you have done no wrong, personal attacks should not be an excuse not to defend, if you have done wrong, personal attacks should not be an excuse to justify non-response or to say you have done no wrong
either way, personal attacks is not an excuse to get away from anything -
u say i make stinging remarks against them( jc students)Originally posted by laurence82:do not cleverly tweak the logic
this is other people territory, and as i have said they have aired their grievances about you making stinging remarks against them
they happened to be JC students, this happened to be their house
get it?
JC students forum and JC forum is two diff thing
then u say i make sting remarks to the people in whinehouse, then isn't this equals to people in whinehouse are jc students?
you yourself say this is a jc forum, don't contrictdict yourself.
"one happened to be owned or participated by a large number of JC students, and the other is a forum to purely discuss JC issues"
i have always made my comments with regards to the people within the jc, including staff and students, not the jc building. -
which part i have said this is a wholly JC forum? you are free to prove itOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:u say i make stinging remarks against them( jc students)
then u say i make sting remarks to the people in whinehouse, then isn't this equals to people in whinehouse are jc students?
you yourself say this is a jc forum, don't contrictdict yourself.
"one happened to be owned or participated by a large number of JC students, and the other is a forum to purely discuss JC issues"
i have always made my comments with regards to the people within the jc, including staff and students, not the jc building.
i repeatedly said there are decidely large JC students mixing with other students from other insitutions, why are you ignoring this?
there is no contradictions
i dont care what you do outside, heck, i didnt even care what you said in chit chat, so why this justify that you can do it here? -
i have made a long list of questionable points, and like i said, i know and mean what i said
a) knowing you have unsupported and biased personal opinions
b) why are u using them to make stinging remarks against JC students
c) in other people forum when they have aired their grievances all along
questionable points include
a) why was personal opinion used not to justify the actions, but later personal attacks used as a reason not to justify the actions?
b) why is personal attacks used as an excuse not justify the actions?
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"a) you have personal opinions that you cannot justifyOriginally posted by laurence82:like i said, i did not care what you said in chit chat or other forums
let me repeat and repeat and repeat
a) you have personal opinions that you cannot justify
b) you use this personal opinion to repeatedly make stinging remarks about JC students in this forum
c) you are pissing in other people territory
personal attacks were never the issue, and strangely why only in this page or the last you started talking about personal attacks and that i condemn youright from the start, when you have the opportunity to do so earlier?
lastly, why is personal attack an issue, or an excuse not to respond?
in the first place you talk about what is solely your own views and experience thats why you do not need to justify, now you are talking about personal attacks thats why you do not need to justify
make up your mind, which is which?
b) you use this personal opinion to repeatedly make stinging remarks about JC students in this forum
c) you are pissing in other people territory"
a)i can justify my personal opinions since it has happen to me before.
b)i use my personal opinions to show my viewsjc students, not directed to anyone in particular.
c)so i can't talk in other people's territory?
"on top of that, an action is an action, you were taken to task for your actions, all you have to do is to defend or confess your actions"
i don't want to defend my actions(of condemning jc students) to you because u are already bias to me from the start
"lastly, why is personal attack an issue, or an excuse not to respond?
in the first place you talk about what is solely your own views and experience thats why you do not need to justify, now you are talking about personal attacks thats why you do not need to justify"
my views/experience and personal attacks on me are two different thing.
views/experience justify my action of condeming jc stundets
personal attacks tells me that it is useless to reason my actions to you...since u are not listening objectively from the start.
clear enough? -
"personal attacks should not be an excuse not to defend, "Originally posted by laurence82:trial? are we holding a trial here?
you miss the point of the analogy, i am not a judge, or else you would be questioning what right i have to judge you blah blah
what you should be learning from the point is that, if you have done no wrong, personal attacks should not be an excuse not to defend, if you have done wrong, personal attacks should not be an excuse to justify non-response or to say you have done no wrong
either way, personal attacks is not an excuse to get away from anything
your mindset already said i am a thief, would a condemned thief be acquitted from his crime even if he proves himself right? the answer is no.
i am not getting away from defending my actions using "personal attacks"...in some other topics, i clearly explained to other people why i made those comments because they dun have a mindset from the start.
for you, i will not give u the priveledge of a proper answer because u are not thinking right from the get-go. -
simply means you could justify to yourself, but cannot bring it out as the TRUTHOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:"a) you have personal opinions that you cannot justify
b) you use this personal opinion to repeatedly make stinging remarks about JC students in this forum
c) you are pissing in other people territory"
a)i can justify my personal opinions since it has happen to me before.
b)i use my personal opinions to show my viewsjc students, not directed to anyone in particular.
c)so i can't talk in other people's territory?
"on top of that, an action is an action, you were taken to task for your actions, all you have to do is to defend or confess your actions"
i don't want to defend my actions(of condemning jc students) to you because u are already bias to me from the start
"lastly, why is personal attack an issue, or an excuse not to respond?
in the first place you talk about what is solely your own views and experience thats why you do not need to justify, now you are talking about personal attacks thats why you do not need to justify"
my views/experience and personal attacks on me are two different thing.
views/experience justify my action of condeming jc stundets
personal attacks tells me that it is useless to reason my actions to you...since u are not listening objectively from the start.
clear enough?
even by your 'brand of truth' you already said truth hurts, so your remarks are not stinging in whatsoever reason?
again, you twisted point
repeating myself again, why do you perform your personal agenda against JC students at this forum, i didnt say you could not talk in other people territory
again, why are you talking about biased so late in the argument? you explicitly said it was due to your own personal experience, that you could not justify your actions, now you said its because of personal attacks and biases
also, why does personal attacks and biases justify anything? as long as you are pointed out wrong, it remain you are wrong unless you prove it, no amount of 'people biases' should be an excuse not to run away from it all
you are personally attacking JC students with your own views
what is so hard to understand?
view is view, but you made it explicit, you posted it, it has already become personal attack -
u say i shouldn't make bad comments about jc students particularly here in whinehouse because i shouldn't "yak about my neighbours in my neighbour's house" (i.e , this is a jc's forum/house)Originally posted by laurence82:which part i have said this is a wholly JC forum? you are free to prove it
i repeatedly said there are decidely large JC students mixing with other students from other insitutions, why are you ignoring this?
there is no contradictions
"i dont care what you do outside, heck, i didnt even care what you said in chit chat, so why this justify that you can do it here?"
i don't get why are u so uptight about me slamming jc students here in whinehouse...is it because this is a jc forum?
chitchat oso got jc students hang around, i don't see u slamming me there?
so all these imply u think whinehouse is a jc (students, if u like it)forum. -
like i said, i am not a judgeOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:"personal attacks should not be an excuse not to defend, "
your mindset already said i am a thief, would a condemned thief be acquitted from his crime even if he proves himself right? the answer is no.
i am not getting away from defending my actions using "personal attacks"...in some other topics, i clearly explained to other people why i made those comments because they dun have a mindset from the start.
for you, i will not give u the priveledge of a proper answer because u are not thinking right from the get-go.
and i wholly list out a list of questionable points for you to ans
if you cant answer them or refuse to, it means you are wrong, no matter how biased the other party is
again, prove which point i am not thinking right from the get go
prove prove prove!
you keep saying they are personal attacks and wait a minute, you didnt even state what is thinking right....liek what? you are right i nthe first place? or else why i have a list of questionable points and you are not answering them