another outing ah!
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and it goes on and on...
just shut the fuck up.
polarsnake, i tink u shld just close dis topic. -
i am not debating against your points cos i don't see the need to.Originally posted by laurence82:yes, its childish
so are you qualified to judge what JC students are like?
again, i dont know about sweetening words, seems like you are paying more attention to how i word my post that debating against my points
well done
your defination of this debate is to correct my moral values. not asking me to view jc students more objectively.
i am not interested in touching someone's life in this forum.thus i have no intention to change your view on me nor listen to yours if i feel there are bias and unfair. -
simply, you could not back up what you saidOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:how do u judge what is justified and unjustified?
you are not me, you cannot see what i already deem as justified. so you saying that highlighted statement does not qualify.
jeez...my second point is that you are committing the "said" crime that i am committing. why not look into the mirror and see whether are you being bias to me from the first post.
for one moment u really think papercut is also unbias towards me? why should i oblige to unfairness?
this is an issue from my very first reply
we have not gotten the number, we could not established what you said lack strength or not, and you refused to back it up, and refused to take up that particular issue
therefore, justifiably, its an unjustified remark
what do you mean biased against you? repeatedly i have said you could not support what you said, so now you are turning around and said we are biased against you?
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you know none of your remarks is objective and is rightfully your own viewsi admit, but why you persist in making stinging remarks in other people place despite past aggravations?Originally posted by R3SsH|n:i am not debating against your points cos i don't see the need to.
your defination of this debate is to correct my moral values. not asking me to view jc students more objectively.
i am not interested in touching someone's life in this forum.thus i have no intention to change your view on me nor listen to yours if i feel there are bias and unfair.
why? why you want to do this to others? -
you werent scolded by him or me, so is this statement neccessary?Originally posted by gigabyte14:ya la, dats y i came in, den in the end i tio scold...
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yea yea...purposely..Originally posted by laurence82:i purposely put that point, simply because you could not see your point as biased or refused to admit it
you already said me being better in debate strengthen your view about JC students
is that neccessarily true and objective? that point, is a mirror for you
if you arent biased against JC students, why the unwarranted unsupported anti JC remarks?
you are contradicting yourself
and no...u are not inferring my statement proerly. i not saying whether u good in debate or not. i am saying you starting this whole debate justify my views about jc students.
tell you liao. my comments about jc students are my views. they are based on my experience with jc students. thus u cannot say i am bias against them.
don't blame me, blame those jc students who give jc a bad name. there is no smoke without fire. -
so has the debate been flawed? you have not been arguing against my points, it means your position lack strength, and nothing of these should add to anything about your view about JC students, because you couldnt justify itOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:yea yea...purposely..
and no...u are not inferring my statement proerly. i not saying whether u good in debate or not. i am saying you starting this whole debate justify my views about jc students.
tell you liao. my comments about jc students are my views. they are based on my experience with jc students. thus u cannot say i am bias against them.
don't blame me, blame those jc students who give jc a bad name. there is no smoke without fire.
again and again, i am not denying that they are not your own view, i am not denying that they are biased with your experience, what i am simply asking you is to recognise that such views are unsupported and should not be used to make stinging remarks in a place that do not belong to you
its akin to having neighbours whom you think are unruly, you could not justify the unruliness, its your own personal view, but do you stand in their house and keep yakking that anti-neighbours feeling and demand the right to do so?
they have been damn nice not to edit your posts or anything, but they had aired their grievances against your conducts, so be a gentleman and stop this nonsense, reciprocate their actions to you
since you mentioned your parents and teachers, i am sure very well they would teach you to be nice and reciprocate kindness with kindness -
example. i say jc students make hell of a noise whenever they come up the bus in a group. this occurs 90% of the time. so is this back up?Originally posted by laurence82:simply, you could not back up what you said
this is an issue from my very first reply
we have not gotten the number, we could not established what you said lack strength or not, and you refused to back it up, and refused to take up that particular issue
therefore, justifiably, its an unjustified remark
what do you mean biased against you? repeatedly i have said you could not support what you said, so now you are turning around and said we are biased against you?
please stop playing victim
who so free to count the number of jc students i have as friends, schoolmates, msn frens, those i see on the streets, on the bus,at the park and even on this forum? a mental image of the jc students i know already exhibits those traits alraedy, isn't that enough?
repeatedly, i said i don't need to support my views and comments because those are mine, based on personal experience.
victim? you already passed judgement on my conduct before the first letter was typed, shouldn't i feel agrieved? -
yes yes, so we agree they could not be justified and their are your own personal opinions, but have you been reading??Originally posted by R3SsH|n:example. i say jc students make hell of a noise whenever they come up the bus in a group. this occurs 90% of the time. so is this back up?
who so free to count the number of jc students i have as friends, schoolmates, msn frens, those i see on the streets, on the bus,at the park and even on this forum? a mental image of the jc students i know already exhibits those traits alraedy, isn't that enough?
repeatedly, i said i don't need to support my views and comments because those are mine, based on personal experience.
victim? you already passed judgement on my conduct before the first letter was typed, shouldn't i feel agrieved?
for the frigging nth time nobody is denying they are your personal view, but since you recognise such views as personally biased, are they justified enough to be taken out to hurt people with stinging remarks?
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what are your points? you type so much things until i am not sure u are trying to put a point thru or just taking one big round and shoot me?Originally posted by laurence82:so has the debate been flawed? you have not been arguing against my points, it means your position lack strength, and nothing of these should add to anything about your view about JC students, because you couldnt justify it
again and again, i am not denying that they are not your own view, i am not denying that they are biased with your experience, what i am simply asking you is to recognise that such views are unsupported and should not be used to make stinging remarks in a place that do not belong to you
its akin to having neighbours whom you think are unruly, you could not justify the unruliness, its your own personal view, but do you stand in their house and keep yakking that anti-neighbours feeling and demand the right to do so?
they have been damn nice not to edit your posts or anything, but they had aired their grievances against your conducts, so be a gentleman and stop this nonsense, reciprocate their actions to you
since you mentioned your parents and teachers, i am sure very well they would teach you to be nice and reciprocate kindness with kindness
if u are being objective, being someone who is not as intelligent as me would be able to see your points.
if i think my neighbours are unruly, it will be because they have made actions that cause me to think they are unruly. and yes i will go on yakking about my anit-neighbours feeling because they have done things that make me feel so.
i know kindness when i see them. i don't see them here. (as shown in papercut's shut tap)
if there was kindness here, i would have hope to see something like,"oh, come and join us and make friends, we aren't as bad as you think"
not someone calling me a troll and trying to say my debate skills is weak and taking one round to shoot me. -
"personally biased" is when something is wrongly judge. i don't think i me judging jc students "biaslly" because what they show me is really what i described.Originally posted by laurence82:yes yes, so we agree they could not be justified and their are your own personal opinions, but have you been reading??
for the frigging nth time nobody is denying they are your personal view, but since you recognise such views as personally biased, are they justified enough to be taken out to hurt people with stinging remarks?
how many times do we have to go thru this?
jeez, did i hurt your feelings when i say all those bad things about jc students?
truth hurts eh?
public forum - u like it, u read, u dun like it, u don't read.
since u feeling so justice, why not teach moral lessons to those real trolls at bar? if people dun wanna read what the idiots write in bar, they dun read it. and they move on. instead telling them "you shouldn't say those dirty things" and so on...
if u think my remarks are stinging, then go ahead and click the down aarow, it won't hurt me if you don't reply to it.. -
if somebody said my debate skills is lousy and has proven so, i jolly well buck up than to succumb to egoism and thinks the person is shooting meOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:what are your points? you type so much things until i am not sure u are trying to put a point thru or just taking one big round and shoot me?
if u are being objective, being someone who is not as intelligent as me would be able to see your points.
if i think my neighbours are unruly, it will be because they have made actions that cause me to think they are unruly. and yes i will go on yakking about my anit-neighbours feeling because they have done things that make me feel so.
i know kindness when i see them. i don't see them here. (as shown in papercut's shut tap)
if there was kindness here, i would have hope to see something like,"oh, come and join us and make friends, we aren't as bad as you think"
not someone calling me a troll and trying to say my debate skills is weak and taking one round to shoot me.
my points do not need intelligence, the issue is about maturity, these are two different things
again, you missed the point. i have stated that your views could very well be biased against your neighbours due to some actions, same thing, you admitted your view about JC students are your own personal view, not objetive view, or not even near objective
knowing these, do you still have the cheek to stand in your neighbour's HOUSE, and yak about them? and worse, even demand the right to do so
you dont recognise the issue here dont you?
the kindness lies in them not banning you from this forum, not editing your posts, they have aired their grievances though
that is where kindness is, and you tested the patience of forumers to the extent two of us here have to tell you to shut your claptrap. any person who knows shame would immediately recognise this situation
now this has to be done in a dragged down fashion, going through three pages of it
again, cease and desist this activity of yours
i dont mind you doing it in chit chat, its a place for trolls anyway, and you could join them and thinking people who speak about your mistake have personal agenda against you and are not sincere in telling your mistakes, but this is whinehouse, its your neighbours house
wipe your shoes before going in (it means show manners when you are in someones' place) -
i hope u both can still go on when i wake up at 11am tml...
you two are starting to amuse me with your childishness. -
biased is when you could not prove it, since you do not want to do so, and wanted to base on your own encounter, and not by stats and research, its justified to call this your own opinions, not the TRUTHOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:"personally biased" is when something is wrongly judge. i don't think i me judging jc students "biaslly" because what they show me is really what i described.
jeez, did i hurt your feelings when i say all those bad things about jc students?
truth hurts eh?
public forum - u like it, u read, u dun like it, u don't read.
since u feeling so justice, why not teach moral lessons to those real trolls at bar? if people dun wanna read what the idiots write in bar, they dun read it. and they move on. instead telling them "you shouldn't say those dirty things" and so on...
if u think my remarks are stinging, then go ahead and click the down aarow, it won't hurt me if you don't reply to it..
since its not the TRUTH, stop using it to make stinging remarks against others
truth hurts is a clever rhetoric, but sadly, untruth hurts too.
do you think i would stand here and talk to you if i think you are like them? but if you make your decision to be like those bar trolls, all you have to admit that you ara a troll like those in bar, and i jolly well leave you alone
you are nearly there, hope you think about it and step away from that path
besides, this is bar, not whinehouse...why you think i am now doing it here instead of bar? -
you do not understand the seriousness of the situationOriginally posted by gigabyte14:i hope u both can still go on when i wake up at 11am tml...
you two are starting to amuse me with your childishness.
let me tell you for the third time
if somebody could not justify his biasness, and knowing very well they are his personal opinion, choose to stand in somebody's else house and yak loudly abt it, and yet demand the right to do so, how would you feel?
not trying to put a stop to it is childishness
whinehouse is a place for whining and outings regardless of status, not a place for someone to fully implement his personal war and biases -
lol..i don't need to buck up my debate skills for you since u aren't objective from the first post. debating with someone without and open mind is as good as talking to the wall.Originally posted by laurence82:if somebody said my debate skills is lousy and has proven so, i jolly well buck up than to succumb to egoism and thinks the person is shooting me
my points do not need intelligence, the issue is about maturity, these are two different things
again, you missed the point. i have stated that your views could very well be biased against your neighbours due to some actions, same thing, you admitted your view about JC students are your own personal view, not objetive view, or not even near objective
knowing these, do you still have the cheek to stand in your neighbour's HOUSE, and yak about them? and worse, even demand the right to do so
you dont recognise the issue here dont you?
the kindness lies in them not banning you from this forum, not editing your posts, they have aired their grievances though
that is where kindness is, and you tested the patience of forumers to the extent two of us here have to tell you to shut your claptrap. any person who knows shame would immediately recognise this situation
now this has to be done in a dragged down fashion, going through three pages of it
again, cease and desist this activity of yours
i dont mind you doing it in chit chat, its a place for trolls anyway, and you could join them and thinking people who speak about your mistake have personal agenda against you and are not sincere in telling your mistakes, but this is whinehouse, its your neighbours house
wipe your shoes before going in (it means show manners when you are in someones' place)
again your objective is unclear. you want to change my views about jc students or change my maturity?
waseh...if my neighbours throw shit at my doorstairs and i tell it as it is, then this is being bias to my neighbour?
why differentiate whinehouse and chitchat? is it because this is a jc place? just because its a jc place i cannot say bad things about them? what logic.
if you are really objective, you wouldn't mind whether this is chitchat or at whinehouse. and being not objective is the one crime in debate you shouldn't commit
you are not exhibiting it thus whatever you trying to tell me is still invalid cos its still like talking to the wall... -
jeez...do i need a NPNT each time i see a jc student doing something wrong? if everything has to be done in a black and white way, there will be 0% inefficency.Originally posted by laurence82:biased is when you could not prove it, since you do not want to do so, and wanted to base on your own encounter, and not by stats and research, its justified to call this your own opinions, not the TRUTH
since its not the TRUTH, stop using it to make stinging remarks against others
truth hurts is a clever rhetoric, but sadly, untruth hurts too.
do you think i would stand here and talk to you if i think you are like them? but if you make your decision to be like those bar trolls, all you have to admit that you ara a troll like those in bar, and i jolly well leave you alone
you are nearly there, hope you think about it and step away from that path
besides, this is bar, not whinehouse...why you think i am now doing it here instead of bar?
i know you are trying to talk sense in me. but i feel u are more of attacking me than to correct my views. although there is a thin line with it, i feel u have cross that line.
till the day some jc student prove me in action what i say is wrong, i will continue to put my views across. until then, if they continue to exhibit those traits that i mention, then i have no choice but to continue believing in what i believe in. -
pls prove which part not objectiveOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:lol..i don't need to buck up my debate skills for you since u aren't objective from the first post. debating with someone without and open mind is as good as talking to the wall.
again your objective is unclear. you want to change my views about jc students or change my maturity?
waseh...if my neighbours throw shit at my doorstairs and i tell it as it is, then this is being bias to my neighbour?
why differentiate whinehouse and chitchat? is it because this is a jc place? just because its a jc place i cannot say bad things about them? what logic.
if you are really objective, you wouldn't mind whether this is chitchat or at whinehouse. and being not objective is the one crime in debate you shouldn't commit
you are not exhibiting it thus whatever you trying to tell me is still invalid cos its still like talking to the wall...
from the first post, i have already lay out the questionable parts, including significance of the number you had, strength of your argument, whether they are objective or subjective..these are not accusations, but rather the questions we must mull over, but you have accused me of accusing you
never mind, i can let go of this
my objective have always been very clear
a) your views are personally your own, and not the whole truth
b) either you support it, or you admit its your own personal biased opinion
c) as such, its not the truth, you would not use such unwarranted biases to openly launch stinging remarks against JC students
d) you are welcome to start an anti jc forum, i am all for it, but do not leave your crap in other people forum
e) especially when they have expressed their grievances before about your conduct
i never talk about your neighbours throwing shiat at your door step, do not add words to my original post in hope to misconstrue it
i already said, if you have personal biases against your neighbour, do you stand in their house and yak about it?
no more than that please
for your information, chit chat is chit chat, whinehouse is whinehouse, that is the difference
its not your grandfather ancestral home, nor your house, nor your father's road, and there are decidedly a large numbers of JC students MIXING with other people here, there was never talk of divisiveness, yet your loose mouth refuse to let go
i am already exhibiting every ounce of objectivity, its just that you refused to recognise itOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:oh...i am that famous ar?
but i don't come from RJ or CJ lei...
u poly ar?
i scare later u feel out of place when go whinehouse outing lei..
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put yourself in my shoes. assuming this was a "poly forum"..and u are jc student trying to say something..but you are told shut up just because this is a poly forum. would u feel agrieved? there is no logic in it..Originally posted by laurence82:you do not understand the seriousness of the situation
let me tell you for the third time
if somebody could not justify his biasness, and knowing very well they are his personal opinion, choose to stand in somebody's else house and yak loudly abt it, and yet demand the right to do so, how would you feel?
not trying to put a stop to it is childishness
whinehouse is a place for whining and outings regardless of status, not a place for someone to fully implement his personal war and biases -
"if you are a gentleman enough, you should square up to the facts that you cant prove the fact you said you have, and that you have been dotting this forum with that sort of unwanted statements"Originally posted by laurence82:16 February 2007 · 03:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for laurence82 Edit Message Reply with Quote
quote:Originally posted by R3SsH|n:
lol..i don't need to buck up my debate skills for you since u aren't objective from the first post. debating with someone without and open mind is as good as talking to the wall.
again your objective is unclear. you want to change my views about jc students or change my maturity?
waseh...if my neighbours throw &$$$ at my doorstairs and i tell it as it is, then this is being bias to my neighbour? Rolling Eyes
why differentiate whinehouse and chitchat? is it because this is a jc place? just because its a jc place i cannot say bad things about them? what logic.
if you are really objective, you wouldn't mind whether this is chitchat or at whinehouse. and being not objective is the one crime in debate you shouldn't commit
you are not exhibiting it thus whatever you trying to tell me is still invalid cos its still like talking to the wall... Rolling Eyes
pls prove which part not objective
from the first post, i have already lay out the questionable parts, including significance of the number you had, strength of your argument, whether they are objective or subjective..these are not accusations, but rather the questions we must mull over, but you have accused me of accusing you
never mind, i can let go of this
my objective have always been very clear
a) your views are personally your own, and not the whole truth
b) either you support it, or you admit its your own personal biased opinion
c) as such, its not the truth, you would not use such unwarranted biases to openly launch stinging remarks against JC students
d) you are welcome to start an anti jc forum, i am all for it, but do not leave your crap in other people forum
e) especially when they have expressed their grievances before about your conduct
i never talk about your neighbours throwing shiat at your door step, do not add words to my original post in hope to misconstrue it
i already said, if you have personal biases against your neighbour, do you stand in their house and yak about it?
no more than that please
for your information, chit chat is chit chat, whinehouse is whinehouse, that is the difference
its not your grandfather ancestral home, nor your house, nor your father's road, and there are decidedly a large numbers of JC students MIXING with other people here, there was never talk of divisiveness, yet your loose mouth refuse to let go
you are already condeming me that i am when u say i should do something(i.e you already think i am wrong)
some other stuff also, but i am not as free as to dig up everything...
edit: another condemation,
"oh i get it, it means you always lose to JC students and have that sort of inferiority complex,"
"i expecteded that, because like i said, face is what a lot of people care about" -
its your egoism at work, not voice of reasonOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:jeez...do i need a NPNT each time i see a jc student doing something wrong? if everything has to be done in a black and white way, there will be 0% inefficency.
i know you are trying to talk sense in me. but i feel u are more of attacking me than to correct my views. although there is a thin line with it, i feel u have cross that line.
till the day some jc student prove me in action what i say is wrong, i will continue to put my views across. until then, if they continue to exhibit those traits that i mention, then i have no choice but to continue believing in what i believe in.
i do hope for once that you will remove all that thoughts that 'this damn laurence is attacking me'
for a moment, focus on the actions you have done, think about each and everything i have said, focus on the logic, remove the personal element, forget who is laurence, who is R3Ssh|n...focus on each and every of your action and how it affect others
clearly you are going back to proving part again. like i said, if you cant prove it, means its not the whole truth. since you are not willing to prove it, the only alternative is to recognise that there is biases in that view
surely even if you see hundred unruly students could not mean 30000 JC students are like that? stats will fail you
ok, now we know that that few could not represent 30000 students, this means there are biases, there is no other way
Sherlock Holmes once said 'if there is no other alternative but this, this surely must be the answer, no matter how absurd it may sound'
if you recognise there could be biases, do you think its fair to go out and tar the whole lot with the same brush? have u been unfairly treated before? by friends? by parents? by teachers?
dont you feel what is it like to be treated unfairly? i am sure you do
so spare a though for others
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Is that condemnation?Originally posted by R3SsH|n:"if you are a gentleman enough, you should square up to the facts that you cant prove the fact you said you have, and that you have been dotting this forum with that sort of unwanted statements"
you are already condeming me that i am when u say i should do something(i.e you already think i am wrong)
some other stuff also, but i am not as free as to dig up everything...
For crying out loud, stop for once think people are attacking and frigging focus on the actions, the words, the farking reasoning
When i said if you are a gentleman enough, I do not mean you are not a gentleman
Sheesh
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nono...i feel like i am being attacked, thus i dun see the need to reason with u...its like talking to the wall...Originally posted by laurence82:its your egoism at work, not voice of reason
i do hope for once that you will remove all that thoughts that 'this damn laurence is attacking me'
for a moment, focus on the actions you have done, think about each and everything i have said, focus on the logic, remove the personal element, forget who is laurence, who is R3Ssh|n...focus on each and every of your action and how it affect others
clearly you are going back to proving part again. like i said, if you cant prove it, means its not the whole truth. since you are not willing to prove it, the only alternative is to recognise that there is biases in that view
surely even if you see hundred unruly students could not mean 30000 JC students are like that? stats will fail you
ok, now we know that that few could not represent 30000 students, this means there are biases, there is no other way
Sherlock Holmes once said 'if there is no other alternative but this, this surely must be the answer, no matter how absurd it may sound'
if you recognise there could be biases, do you think its fair to go out and tar the whole lot with the same brush? have u been unfairly treated before? by friends? by parents? by teachers?
dont you feel what is it like to be treated unfairly? i am sure you do
so spare a though for others
your opinions, which is not the whole truth, should not be used to hurt others
hmm...if u get scalded by a boling kettle for 3 times, would you still touch it? much less 90 out of a 100 times or 30,000 kettles..
if u think my comments hurt others, then i will look into the future and be more sensitive to them.though i hope u shld be sensitive too to think in my shoes that why i should say bad things about jc students since this is whinehouse. -
this is getting nowhere
all i am asking, is that you stop continuing your this personal thing against JC students, right here in this forum
this is not much to ask for
i have not ask u to shut up in the chit chat forum, i wouldnt mind if you set up an anti jc forum or whatsoever
i wouldnt agree to these opinions, and my objective in this debate is that you cease and desist doing such thing in other people places, amidst pleas for a cessation
i do hope you are mature enough to understand this particular request -
the analogy is poorOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:nono...i feel like i am being attacked, thus i dun see the need to reason with u...its like talking to the wall...
hmm...if u get scalded by a boling kettle for 3 times, would you still touch it? much less 90 out of a 100 times or 30,000 kettles..
if u think my comments hurt others, then i will look into the future and be more sensitive to them.though i hope u shld be sensitive too to think in my shoes that why i should say bad things about jc students since this is whinehouse.
a boiling kettle is dangerous even if you touch it 100 times, but there are 30000 DIFFERENT human beings you are talking about, you are tarring the same lot with the same brush
that is what people called generalisation
u feel like you are being attacked? again, feelings....i feel like you are not proving the point, therefore i will say you are still wrong? does this kind of argument hold water?
sheesh