Reasons?Originally posted by Ito_^:creative
i don't think creative can make it.Originally posted by Ito_^:creative
Originally posted by Kenashi:i don't think creative can make it.
it is like a roller coaster, going up n down at will
It just might make it. Last year, the highest it went was $28 before crashing down....Originally posted by Kenashi:i don't think creative can make it.
it is like a roller coaster, going up n down at will
that's last yr, based on its current ability, i don't think it will ever hit $20 againOriginally posted by shade343:It just might make it. Last year, the highest it went was $28 before crashing down....
That would depend on their next product.Originally posted by Kenashi:that's last yr, based on its current ability, i don't think it will ever hit $20 again
The reson for setting up the Reit is to unlock further shareholder value of the property. Reits are an ideal tool for it. Not only does it allow many small investors to own a piece of the property, it also gives the property a chance to increase its market value considerably.Originally posted by KumSioJui:I dun think suntec is good for the long haul, I mean certainly one would think since it is owned by Li Ka Shing it would be a good thing brand name, midas touch and all
But if such a good thing why he wants have a REITS since he already so rich and not short on money. What make him want to have a REITS?
Sometime back I read an article on something like the effects that a Casino could have on small town hotels, motels and arcades. In a nutshell it said that when a casino came to town or a small city sure it will provide a lot of jobs and spin off new industries which also create jobs, since the business of a casino is more towards gambling revenues it would require a very high density of tourism hence it will always build a lot of attractions like amusement parks hotels shopping etc ... and price these amusements ridiculously low to attract as much visitors as possible but doing that will suck away all the business from all the other small players like small hotel owners and small shopping center owners. Is the same concept as Walmarts, when walmart goes to a big town or small city, it will suck away all the businesses.
If you look at the site of the future casinos one of them is in Marina so its very close to Suntec and raffles place.
Ask yourself how many businesses in that area besides suntec Reit so far have "sold out" remember raffles hotel
The next big loser will be CDL since their wealth built is dependant upon a lot of tourism businesses like their hotels, shopping centers, so unless in someway they are able to get a share of the future casino my thinking is that they will be planning for REITS too.
If you go apply for these REITS short term lah .. long term there is not going to be any future.
Chicken Stocks? They are quite delicious.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I got two spam mail concerning stocks today.
then u should buy it now!!Originally posted by shade343:That would depend on their next product.
Hmm....Currently, this stock is a speculator favourite....so it might just hit $30
Hmm, SIngapore GOvernment wont allow it lah. If the STI collapses again, Temasek Holdings will be badly affected.Originally posted by dragg:bird flu and you can have cherry pickings.
If you are Li Ka Shing or Jannie Tay why would you want to "Unlock" shareholder value since the business in the case of LKS virtually belongs to him is generating rental revenue non stop for him and his cronies and in the case of CEO Jannie Tay allows her to continue to keep your position unless of course it means that they "anticipated and pre-empted" the future and used this window so later on shareholders cannot blame them but praise them for their high intuitions and they get to keep their jobs and perks. I don't think the folks in this forum can understand what you mean, but I know what you mean dammitOriginally posted by shade343:The reson for setting up the Reit is to unlock further shareholder value of the property. Reits are an ideal tool for it. Not only does it allow many small investors to own a piece of the property, it also gives the property a chance to increase its market value considerably.
Suntec Convention has recently enetered into a MOU with a Current Casino bidding participant(cant rememeber the name) to leverage on each other expertise and floor areas.
Theerfore, I do not view the casinos at Marina Bay to be "sucking away" the buisness. In fact, the casinos represent good news for Suntec. Tourist can take a short MRT ride to suntec for shopping after winning money from the casinos.
Btw, Raffles Hotel sold their business of to Capital Colony. Most of the stuff which is sold to Capital Colony are not Hotels. In fact, more than 50% of the assets which Raffles Hoding sold to Capital Colony were Management Contracts. And the reason why Raffles Holding sold their buisness of was because $1.75 billion is a bloody good price.
As I have said before, Reits are a win-win situation. It allows the owner to unlock value and gives shareholder a chance to own a prime property.
What is wrong with unlocking shareholders value? This was the Vision of Raffles Holding. Its stated in the annual report that they would actively pursue ways to unlock shareholders value and give the best to shareholders. And its Ms Jennie Chua. NOt Jannie Tay. I got her name card ok.Originally posted by KumSioJui:If you are Li Ka Shing or Jannie Tay why would you want to "Unlock" shareholder value since the business in the case of LKS virtually belongs to him is generating rental revenue non stop for him and his cronies and in the case of CEO Jannie Tay allows her to continue to keep your position unless of course it means that they "anticipated and pre-empted" the future and used this window so later on shareholders cannot blame them but praise them for their high intuitions and they get to keep their jobs and perks. I don't think the folks in this forum can understand what you mean, but I know what you mean dammit
Yah you got her name right, I mixed up with er .. someone else from er ... long time backOriginally posted by shade343:What is wrong with unlocking shareholders value? This was the Vision of Raffles Holding. Its stated in the annual report that they would actively pursue ways to unlock shareholders value and give the best to shareholders. And its Ms Jennie Chua. NOt Jannie Tay. I got her name card ok.
FYI, The business of Raffles Hotels has not fully matured. It is still in its growing stages.
I spoke to her during the AGM and she told me that 1.75 billion is too good a price to refuse. But she did addressed shareholders concern about the business of Raffles Hotel being not fully matured and selling it off. She said that in order for the hotels to fetch a good price, there still must be potential for growth, or else, nobody would want it.
And the resolution to dispose of the business was carried forward with a whopping 99.7% of shareholders saying "Yes" .
Originally posted by Kenashi:i don't think creative can make it.
it is like a roller coaster, going up n down at will
In the case for SUntec Reit, new shareholders will get a chance to invest in a prime property with stable returns. On top of that, since the value of the property is subject to market fluctuations, there is a chance that the value could go up considerably if the returns consistently beats Analyst forecast.Originally posted by KumSioJui:Yah you got her name right, I mixed up with er .. someone else from er ... long time back
There is nothing wrong with unlocking value and its a good thing but difference is before suntec was REIT I wasn't the damn shareholder to begin with so there's "nothing unlocked for me"
And in the case of Raffles it's a good price I'd admit, the point of argument is that if there was more growth potential why not continue until it matured since after the casino the property surrounding in proximity would be worth even more, then can sell it off for even higher right?
Unless of course if the value of the "potential" between now and maturity is already so much and "nothing else" after that so hey it's a good deal and we have a sucker for it. But If I was a shareholder at the AGM and about to get few dollars a share dividend of course I couldn't be bothered so much and will also vote "YES"
The chart very difficult to draw trendlines leh.Originally posted by KumSioJui:
It's trading between 12.38 and 14.06, strong resistence at 14.06 but any breakout above it will cut the 200day macd cleanly and signal a upward trend.
not vested.
is trending up already, the chart is to show you how much it has bottomed out. The slight rise towards 200 macd indicates that it is moving.Originally posted by shade343:The chart very difficult to draw trendlines leh.
Im not sure how to use macd yet. But from what I see, it still looks pretty sideways.Originally posted by KumSioJui:is trending up already, the chart is to show you how much it has bottomed out. The slight rise towards 200 macd indicates that it is moving.
It is trading sideways as I earlier mentioned, but the most significant and important indicator to look at is the 200 macd, the 200macd dun always come and normally 200 macd is accompanied by some news good or bad that can either signify and upward or down trend.Originally posted by shade343:Im not sure how to use macd yet. But from what I see, it still looks pretty sideways.
I wont be studying macd till next month. I still got Bollinger bands to study.Originally posted by KumSioJui:It is trading sideways as I earlier mentioned, but the most significant and important indicator to look at is the 200 macd, the 200macd dun always come and normally 200 macd is accompanied by some news good or bad that can either signify and upward or down trend.
200 macd is very very difficult to break, when it does it is very accurate, it means for most part of that year what is the trend likely to be.