Bullet Train from China to Singapore by 2014
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hmmm.... why are you're talking about? What IMH, Whitely Road.. hospital ???
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We're talking about the bullet trains...
BTW, It's true if the bullet train reaches Singapore (via Woodlands).... the top speed in Singapore Island may be low due to our island are densely packed. So the top speed maybe only 150km/h ?? -
Originally posted by i_luv_erky:
hmmm.... why are you're talking about? What IMH, Whitely Road.. hospital ???
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We're talking about the bullet trains...
BTW, It's true if the bullet train reaches Singapore (via Woodlands).... the top speed in Singapore Island may be low due to our island are densely packed. So the top speed maybe only 150km/h ??As I said, to have bullet trains, the whole network have to be rebuilt and have the same gauge throughout the network. Some may used standard guage, some narrow gauge. We need to have a consistent gauge so that it'd be much efficient.
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I've tried explaining to you guys through Interception_7 on his first post in this thread, but it seems like you guys don't get it yet. Lemme explain then.
There will be no bullet trains.
The news is talking about the Singapore - Kunming Rail Link. How do I know? I watched probably the same piece of news i_luv_erky watched on Channel 8. Currently, the main missing link is in Cambodia, through to Vietnam. The main problem now is the railway here is split into 3 sections: Singapore to Laos via Friendship Bridge, the Myanmmar Railways, and Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh City) to Kunming. From Kunming, it is already possible to travel to the rest of Russia and Europe, just that it takes about 28 days.
The purpose of the Singapore - Kunming Rail Link when it was planned in the 1990s was to provide landbridge services in order to free up shippuing routes in the region, not for bullet trains. The current CRH system ends at Kunming. The only possible time to take the bullet train would be to take a KTM train up to Butterworth, then SRT to Bangkok, SRT again to Aranyaphrathet or Map Taphut, Vietnam Railways to Hanoi, again from Hanoi to Kunming, and continue your journey by CHR there. However, that line only operates at 250km/h and will not hit 350km/h. The CHR extension to Kunming completes in 2014 coincidentaly, so that's where your confusion may come from.
However, I have to say that the Singapore Kunming Rail Link is meant for landbridge services. This means only a change of locomotives is needed at the border checkpoint. The goods would probably be transferred to another train in Vietnam as they have dual gauge tracks (both standard gauge and meter gauge). Only passengers need to get on and off as all Asian railways except China and North Korea do not alow each other's coaches to be attached to another's rake. This is some kind of agreement they signed with the European Union of which I forgot the name. If you understood my above paragraph, it means that you can sit in a North Korean coach on a Russian Train rake, then sit on the same coach on a Chinese train rake and finally into North Korea on a North Korean train rake. However, this route is not opened for tourists, but for North Koreans only.
If you still want to discuss about bullet trains to Singapore, the closest for you is between KL and Singapore only. And that project has been said on and off for years, so yeah.
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
There will be no bullet trains.
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many years ago, malaysia did ask the Japanese to build shikansen.
the construction and maintenance cost was not justified as they were insufficient passenger.
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Whoa!
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Originally posted by i_luv_erky:
hmmm.... why are you're talking about? What IMH, Whitely Road.. hospital ???
?????
We're talking about the bullet trains...
BTW, It's true if the bullet train reaches Singapore (via Woodlands).... the top speed in Singapore Island may be low due to our island are densely packed. So the top speed maybe only 150km/h ??Who ask got a user trying to start a war. From the post, I read it as no such link at all, unless someone is insane. (This is different from Interception / Nick from saying there is a link but not bullet train). So I rebut him as staying on prison for far too long that does not know the reality.
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
However, I have to say that the Singapore Kunming Rail Link is meant for landbridge services. This means only a change of locomotives is needed at the border checkpoint. The goods would probably be transferred to another train in Vietnam as they have dual gauge tracks (both standard gauge and meter gauge). Only passengers need to get on and off as all Asian railways except China and North Korea do not alow each other's coaches to be attached to another's rake. This is some kind of agreement they signed with the European Union of which I forgot the name. If you understood my above paragraph, it means that you can sit in a North Korean coach on a Russian Train rake, then sit on the same coach on a Chinese train rake and finally into North Korea on a North Korean train rake. However, this route is not opened for tourists, but for North Koreans only.
If you still want to discuss about bullet trains to Singapore, the closest for you is between KL and Singapore only. And that project has been said on and off for years, so yeah.
Interesting. But what was the rationale for having such agreement? (Why they dun allow a straight Malaysia - Thailand train on same locomotive / coache if there is a rail link?)
So you mean due to some kind of international agreement, hence while it is technically feasible for a straight line from Singapore - Kunming without transfer trains at all, but it cannot be implemented?
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Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:
Interesting. But what was the rationale for having such agreement? (Why they dun allow a straight Malaysia - Thailand train on same locomotive / coache if there is a rail link?)
So you mean due to some kind of international agreement, hence while it is technically feasible for a straight line from Singapore - Kunming without transfer trains at all, but it cannot be implemented?
They do allow the coaches through, but not the locomotives, nor sharing a train (i.e. you will not see a train with both KTM and SRT coaches coupled together for normal passenger service). There is 1 train daily from KTM and SRT entering into Thailand and Malaysia respectively.
Contrary to what you said, an agreement is needed to run trains through to another country, not that it has been agreed to disallow. Do note that the agreement I stated in my previous post is for rail companies involved in the line from Europe to Asia only, not for others in South East Asia, to enable travellers to buy a through ticket.
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Originally posted by NickLim™:
I've tried explaining to you guys through Interception_7 on his first post in this thread, but it seems like you guys don't get it yet. Lemme explain then.
From Kunming, it is already possible to travel to the rest of Russia and Europe, just that it takes about 28 days.
Nope. Kunming to Beijing West station takes 1day14hr25min. A stay over is required, making it two days. A morning train "International Train 3" takes the Trans-Mongolian routing to Moscow Yaroslavski, taking 6 full days (+1 for overnight at Moscow) to complete the journey. That brings Kunming to Moscow to 9 days.
Moscow to, let's say, Berlin, from Moscow Byelorruski in the 9th morning would bring one to Berlin Hauptbahnhof by the 10th morning. Much less than 28 days.
However the due process, Mongolian transit visa (if still applicable), Russian visa, and Belorussian transit visa, with two bogie changes (standard 1435mm to Russian 1520mm and back again to 1435mm) each way would definitely kill any economics of this journey. A through-trip journey like this is more suited for freight (non-perishable goods) and would be more cost-effective.Sources:
Deutsche Bahn
seat61.com
China Ministry of Railways
Russian Railways RZhD Rossiyskie Zheleznye Dorogi -
Originally posted by NickLim™:
However, this route is not opened for tourists, but for North Koreans only.
I don't want to go into detail here, but that route you mentioned is, and still remains to date, a legal route that is opened to tourists with the appropriate paperwork. An Austrian guy even did that route.