Originally posted by likeyou:
Let say it confirm.For spore, I dont think it will go top speed.
For malaysia, it can built a straight railway from jb to perlis. (800km) and can go top speed.
For thailand, certain part cos need some curving railway works.
the fantasy of having a funny train system will never be confirmed anywhere except with IMH.
i think folks after years of Ectasy pills and marijuana or heroine would also say the same thing.
and even senile old men will say u are high on drugs even.:)
Originally posted by Hitman 778:
the fantasy of having a funny train system will never be confirmed anywhere except with IMH.i think folks after years of Ectasy pills and marijuana or heroine would also say the same thing.
and even senile old men will say u are high on drugs even.:)
That is because somebody has either lived in Hougang or Changi / Whitley Holiday Homes for far too long that does not know that such plans are by ASEAN transport ministers and not some ameatur in train / transport planning.
Maybe they can build it underground, since Singapore ground level can be too tricky? (The speed wont hit 120kph)
Originally posted by xXlccporXx:The Singapore-Kunming Rail Link (SKRL)
Runckel & Associates has followed news on the progress of The Singapore-Kunming Rail Link (SKRL) which was was first proposed by Asean in 1995. The SKRL is a flagship project of the ASEAN-Mekong Basin Development Cooperation (AMBDC). This regional railway line, spanning some 5,000 kilometers (3,000 miles) from Singapore to the Chinese city of Kunming, would be a very efficient and most economical mode of cross-border cargo transportation. However, the project has been hindered by a lack of funds and other technical issues in connecting the rail to major towns across the region. The project also includes constructing railway stations and related infrastructure, and has been estimated to cost US$15 billion (€12.5 billion). ASEAN hopes the link will be ready by 2015.
Recent Progress in Cambodia:
The Strait Times of Singapore reported in early 2008 that Cambodia received US$80m funding for its Thailand rail link. Cambodia will build a rail link to Thailand after it received these funds from the Asian Development Bank and the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, according to Cambodia's transport minister. Work on the 48km connection between Sisophan in Cambodia and Poipet near the Thai border will be completed by 2010.
Besides the progress in funding of the Cambodia link, Malaysia also donated used rail tracks worth more than US$2 million to Cambodia for a China-Singapore link as part of regional efforts to build a railway linking Singapore to southern China, reported late last year by the Associate Press. This would also help fill in 48 kilometers (30 miles) of missing rails there.
Association of Southeast Asian Nations's Fact Sheet - Sept, 2007 reveals the SKRL feasibility study examining six alternative routes to link Singapore to Kunming, China, which all six routes have a common sector from Singapore to Bangkok via Kuala Lumpur.Route 1: which connects Cambodia, Lao PDR, Viet Nam and China, was selected by the ASEAN Transport Ministers for its high social and economic impact. It will cost an estimated US$1.8 billion to construct. Its 5,382 km length includes the missing links from Poipet to Sisophon, and from Phnom Penh to Loc Ninh and Ho Chi Minh City, as well as the spur lines from Ho Chi Minh City to Vung Tau and from Vientiane to Vung Anh.
Routes 2 to 6 will be considered for implementation in national rail plans or other railway network projects, such as the Trans-Asian Railway.
Developments of SKRL:
- Cambodia’s construction of the missing links, guided by the Inter-Ministerial Committee for SKRL, is on schedule. Cambodia will also start its rail rehabilitation project on its existing rail system, partially funded by the Asian Development Bank (ADB) as reported above. Royal Railways of Cambodia Director-General Sokhom Pheakavanmony said construction of the rail link between Poipet and Sisophon is expected to be completed by the end of next year or early 2008. For the 225-kilometer missing link between Phnom Penh and Loc Ninh, a border town between Cambodia and Vietnam, Pheakavanmony said a feasibility study on the missing link, funded and conducted by China, has been completed.
- Viet Nam completed a feasibility study on the Ho Chi Minh City–Loc Ninh missing link and is negotiating with Cambodia for the location of rail connection points. A feasibility study for a spur link from Vung Ang to Tan Ap-Mu Gia for further linking with Vientiane is also being undertaken. Vietnam Railways Deputy Director-General Nguyen Dat Tuong recently said Vietnam and Cambodia were working to finalize the connecting rail point near Loc Ninh. Once the two countries have decided on the exact connecting point, Vietnam will immediately start construction of the 145- kilometer missing link between Loc Ninh and Ho Chi Minh City.
- In December 2006, the ADB approved a US$60 million loan to Viet Nam to assist in the rehabilitation of the Hanoi–Lao Cai section and a US$42 million loan to Cambodia to assist in the rehabilitation of Cambodia railways that include sections of the SKRL route. The ADB is also undertaking a detailed design study on the Phnom Penh–Loc Ninh sector with financing from China.
- China has made progress on the Chinese sectors of the SKRL, including the Yuxi-Hekou route (Eastern portion), the Yuxi-Mohan (Middle portion) and the Dali-Ruili (Western portion). Construction of the Yuxi-Mengzi railway is scheduled to be completed in 2009. The feasibility study of the Dali-Ruili railway has been completed.
- The Republic of Korea has completed a US$1.2 million feasibility study on the SKRL portion linking Bangkok to Yangon.
Is this info reliable? There doesn't seem to be much news about it online... Mostly about KL shelving their bullet train plans with us. If this plan is real how come nobody seems to know about it?
thats because the info was typed out from IMH itself.....by some strange guy after given his meds.
crzy people type out with such high cost also u will believe it??logically and using cost effective method...using shipping is the best option.
for industrial use within spore....do u see any mrt train being converted to freight trains???no......it would be cheaper than cars but somehow spore needs to see how it shouldmaster that system b4 ever thinkin of connectin werldwide as such expensive cost.
Fact is here:
http://www.aseansec.org/Fact%20Sheet/AEC/2007-AEC-010.pdf
For people who stayed in IMH / Changi Prison for so long that they disconnected from the real world, please stop sprouting nonsense.
Probably run by diesel.
Originally posted by joeyfjj:Probably run by diesel.
Cant be ba. Tell me which new line in the world on the 2000 era uses Diesel, especially high speed train?
Diesel... I laugh all the way to the train track! ROFL! I think should be the "modern days fuel".
So if Woodlands station is the terminus of the bullet train railway, do it need a new depot and renovate or expand to Gali Batu Depot (DTL) as a station and depot like Tanjong Pagar station?
Originally posted by sni1996:So if Woodlands station is the terminus of the bullet train railway, do it need a new depot and renovate or expand to Gali Batu Depot (DTL) as a station and depot like Tanjong Pagar station?
Cant be GBD. A new depot near there or even somewhere in JB / overseas is likely. Depot in SG for SKRL is as good as having a depot of EWL / NSL in City Hall.
So where the depot in SG would likely to be?
Originally posted by sni1996:So where the depot in SG would likely to be?
There wont be depot in SG.
So if the depot is in JB, most probably it will be located west of JB near Port of Tanjung Pelepas? My opinion.
Honestly, I dunno why they did not choose to extend the line to become JKRL (Jakata - Kunning Rail Link)?
I/We need source. Do you have any sources ?
The only thing I heard of is Singapore - Kunming rail link. Which means, the countries all will be connected by railway. Probably the purpose is to transport goods, and maybe pax also.
To build a bullet train, one must study whether it is feasible to have such project to be executed. With such limited time, I have to say it is quite impossible to build a railway line in 3 years time (counting 2011).
I am sure this is the Singapore - Kunming rail link, a project proposed by ASEAN since 1995.
hmm.
what i think is this. they trying to say we can take trains to china, but not one shot
MRT to johor
KTM to Thailand
then from bangkok the bullet ttrain starts?
dont think bullet trains will come singapore
Originally posted by Interception_7:I/We need source. Do you have any sources ?
The only thing I heard of is Singapore - Kunming rail link. Which means, the countries all will be connected by railway. Probably the purpose is to transport goods, and maybe pax also.
To build a bullet train, one must study whether it is feasible to have such project to be executed. With such limited time, I have to say it is quite impossible to build a railway line in 3 years time (counting 2011).
I am sure this is the Singapore - Kunming rail link, a project proposed by ASEAN since 1995.
Is true for Singapore - Kunming rail link. I agree the timeframe is too short for a bullet train, even a usual MRT. (Our SG MRT not even 50km also need 7 years to build, this one involves thousands of km, but most likely on ground level so time saved for excavating the tunnels.)
But I believe with mass pump of resources (Involvement of many countries), maybe that be both speed up (When they work together) and slow down (When there are disagreements to be resolved) the entire project.
Originally posted by 105090:hmm.
what i think is this. they trying to say we can take trains to china, but not one shot
MRT to johor
KTM to Thailand
then from bangkok the bullet ttrain starts?
dont think bullet trains will come singapore
Well, but MRT cannot carry goods, this is not KTM. Wont it lack the purpose?
Well, I do agree that I dont think bullet train is capable of goods carrying unless the interior is modified. (I doubt bullet train is designed to carry loads as well)
Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:Is true for Singapore - Kunming rail link. I agree the timeframe is too short for a bullet train, even a usual MRT. (Our SG MRT not even 50km also need 7 years to build, this one involves thousands of km, but most likely on ground level so time saved for excavating the tunnels.)
But I believe with mass pump of resources (Involvement of many countries), maybe that be both speed up (When they work together) and slow down (When there are disagreements to be resolved) the entire project.
As far as I know, they are left with one more link before completion.
Originally posted by 105090:hmm.
what i think is this. they trying to say we can take trains to china, but not one shot
MRT to johor
KTM to Thailand
then from bangkok the bullet ttrain starts?
dont think bullet trains will come singapore
http://www.aseansec.org/Fact%20Sheet/AEC/2007-AEC-010.pdf for more details.
Bullet train and MRT meet at the same station, maybe?
Originally posted by Interception_7:As far as I know, they are left with one more link before completion.
In the assumption of non-high speed train, and it would be using based on existing KTM tracks from Singapore to China? Then the operating rights how? Then recent KTM move out by next year how?
Malaysia's Padang Besar KTM station could be another depot too and the KTM tracks also needed to be improve for a bullet train standard like welded rails for less vibration track.
Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:In the assumption of non-high speed train, and it would be using based on existing KTM tracks from Singapore to China? Then the operating rights how? Then recent KTM move out by next year how?
KTM move out next year is uptill Woodlands. It will still be operational, until 2018 when the two governments decide to make a rapid transit system between Singapore and Johor. Operating rights should be still on KTM unless there is a change, which I doubt so since we do not have any railway companies, apart from SMRT and SBST.
Originally posted by sni1996:Malaysia's Padang Besar KTM station could be another depot too and the KTM tracks also needed to be improve for a bullet train standard like welded rails for less vibration track.
I must say again, bullet train is nearly impossible here to be built. We have to look at a number of factors. First thing, the gauge between each country is different. Next, with such limited time, building one in 3 years time is more than a death railway.
So currently, do not hope for bullet trains from Singapore - Kunming. Unless there are official news releases, then we are able to assume, but not make speculations out of it.