"Phantom" MRT Stations and Tunnels?
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Originally posted by langer68:Then why don't you don't waste a post here??!
Add-ons:
NS22 Orchard MRT have dunno what probably for Holland Line.
(Speculation only) : NS9 Woodlands or NS10 Sembawang may have box tunnels?? or anything, since it could interchange the NCL too.
Sembawang MRT Station has none but Sun Plaza i think has a hidden MRT Station behind the carpark walls.
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Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:
I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed before, but here goes...
Sometime ago I kept having persistent dreams of strange, unknown MRT tunnels running around in Singapore. A few days ago, while thinking about it, I realised that there indeed are what I could call "phantom" MRT stations around Singapore - and I don't mean Woodleigh either.
Most of you already know about the empty boxes lying at Punggol and Changi Airport MRT stations, intended for the future North Shore (or North Coast) Line. I have also started to hear rumours about already-existing provisions for the Thomson Line to hook up with Orchard, with ION floor plans revealing hints of a MRT station (that is not Orchard Station) nearby. I have seen it myself and I was quite surprised to see what clearly appears to be a floor plan of an MRT station in the basements of ION Orchard, hidden away from the main shopping area - complete with what appears to be an island platform. I sometimes wonder about it when I'm at ION Orchard, just thinking about what's hidden behind all those walls.
After seeing this and thinking about it, I suddenly realised - our government, being the far-ahead thinkers they are, could had built such phantom stations and even tunnels elsewhere, to sit empty and dark for years or even decades until the lines that use them are announced and built.
Apart from the known boxes at Punggol and Changi Airport, and the suspected one at ION Orchard, I wonder if there are other such "phantom" MRT stations or even whole tunnel segments already built somewhere around the island, sitting unused and unknown to most of the public right now, waiting one day in the future to become eventually used...
With earlier URA concept plans showing a huge mass of MRT lines all over the island, I won't be surprised if the authorities, following the concept plans, built provisions for some of them a long while ago. I could, for example, easily imagine a phantom station sitting right below the North-South MRT Line between Yew Tee and Kranji, where the future Sugnei Kadut station will supposedly go - remember, what we now know as the Downtown Line stage 2 is shown in earlier URA concept plans to have it's north-western terminus exactly at where this unbuilt station could go.
Other places that could potentially be home to such "phantom" stations and tunnels include the missing NE2 station - they could have had put in a few columns and pillars there, in addition to strengthening the tunnel walls, when they built that stretch with the idea of a future station being built there later in mind - and possibly, around and above the Esplanade MRT station, as well as the large four-way underpass near Esplanade - Theatres on the Bay that links to it as well as CityLink Mall nearby. Esplanade station itself has an unused elevator shaft, the concourse area is strangely divided into two, and that four-way underpass fishily looks like an MRT station without the MRT to me when I first saw it. Also, remember the blueprints for Esplanade MRT station showing an "Arts Centre Line" crossing it? Who knows, LTA may had already built a bit of it when they built the Circle Line...
I know this all sounds like I'm going crazy, but the evidence for the existence of some of these "phantom" stations and tunnels are already there. Any thoughts?
I just found a map of Future Singapore MRT on the internet and There seems to be a interchange at Orchard maybe thats at ION orchard?
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Originally posted by Glencsoh:
Sembawang MRT Station has none but Sun Plaza i think has a hidden MRT Station behind the carpark walls.
Where? Which carpark? Loading Unloading carpark or residents carpark or public carpark? And where? Near the end or what?
TELL ME PLS! I LIVE AT SEMBAWANG
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What is the evidence that there's a hidden MRT station??
That could be NCL..
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Originally posted by a C751B train:
Where? Which carpark? Loading Unloading carpark or residents carpark or public carpark? And where? Near the end or what?
TELL ME PLS! I LIVE AT SEMBAWANG
The resident 1 i am a resident at the condo on top.
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Other than Holland Line could also be TSL.
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And bishan mrt? Quite obvious got ticketing and tap out areas that is at a corner and has a shutter directly down wham infront of it. Unless you tell me is cause j8 want to make extension or it's a underground tunnel for people to go across the road la haha
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It's CCL, I think.
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Originally posted by KendrickD:
And bishan mrt? Quite obvious got ticketing and tap out areas that is at a corner and has a shutter directly down wham infront of it. Unless you tell me is cause j8 want to make extension or it's a underground tunnel for people to go across the road la haha
I think u referred to Exit E, the one on one of the NSL platform that is closed. That one is junction 8 - NSL / CCL exit, which is likely to be ready when CCL 4 - 5 opens.
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Seriously, but why our government and LTA built these?
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Originally posted by dan474:
Seriously, but why our government and LTA built these?
For provisions in future lines. To make space out of it. Well, you may think that new lines are entirely new, not going to touch each other, unlike HK MTR, in the instance of NEL does not go to EWL sense (There is unconfirmed rumour of NEL before Harbourfront from OTP has a crossover from the left which is coming from CCL, most likely it is a screwed up planning + evidence supported by a HBF - OTP disruption in 2005 where there was a shuttle train on the other side (PGL bound) every 13 mins.), but if they never do such tunnels first, 10 years later they go build office building / shopping centre and 5 ~ 15 years later after that and feels a need to build the line interchange it again and then can say "Shit, this place is right on the building's structure". Turn a bit curve more also cannot, because that is the sewer pipe / OpenNet fibre optics etc. etc.
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Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:
For provisions in future lines. To make space out of it. Well, you may think that new lines are entirely new, not going to touch each other, unlike HK MTR, in the instance of NEL does not go to EWL sense (There is unconfirmed rumour of NEL before Harbourfront from OTP has a crossover from the left which is coming from CCL, most likely it is a screwed up planning + evidence supported by a HBF - OTP disruption in 2005 where there was a shuttle train on the other side (PGL bound) every 13 mins.), but if they never do such tunnels first, 10 years later they go build office building / shopping centre and 5 ~ 15 years later after that and feels a need to build the line interchange it again and then can say "Shit, this place is right on the building's structure". Turn a bit curve more also cannot, because that is the sewer pipe / OpenNet fibre optics etc. etc.
With regards to that crossover, that crossover is going over to the other track that is going towards Punggol (or maybe a middle track?), but not to the left of the track. You can confirm it when the tunnel lights are on, then you can see that while there is a crossover, it's going to the right of the train, not towards the left ...
That kind of crossover can easily explain why the trains can keep on running even with the disruption in 2005 ...
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Ah but why didn't they built a phantom station UNDER BP6 Bukit Panjang? Now they say, "Oh shit, now cannot make interchange with BPLRT..."
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Originally posted by dan474:
Ah but why didn't they built a phantom station UNDER BP6 Bukit Panjang? Now they say, "Oh shit, now cannot make interchange with BPLRT..."
The curve would have a radius too near. It's not an Innovia, it's a MOVIA. MRT Trains have a much larger minumum turn radius.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
The curve would have a radius too near. It's not an Innovia, it's a MOVIA. MRT Trains have a much larger minumum turn radius.
Err I was talking about why didn't they build a phantom station under BP6, not about now...
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Originally posted by orange28: With regards to that crossover, that crossover is going over to the other track that is going towards Punggol (or maybe a middle track?), but not to the left of the track. You can confirm it when the tunnel lights are on, then you can see that while there is a crossover, it's going to the right of the train, not towards the left ...
That kind of crossover can easily explain why the trains can keep on running even with the disruption in 2005 ...
I dun get it. I only know that the before HBF, there are 2 crossovers as drawn by me (Not according to scale, but based on what I have observed):
And the 2005 disruption, I believe it is as good as the JEMP distruption of Jurong East - Lakeside shuttle service on one [Platform B of NEL only] instead of both platforms.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
The curve would have a radius too near. It's not an Innovia, it's a MOVIA. MRT Trains have a much larger minumum turn radius.
Wrong counter-reasoning. Well, why they DONT build a tunnel / walkway linkway underground when they build this damn failed LRT? Outram Park needs a longer linkway then this BPJ, so whats so hard about it? I think if I am not wrong, neither Outram Park nor Newton has [used] the phantom tunnels and are newly created ones. Yet they can link together. Shame on BPJ LRT. Well, unless one speculated that BPJ LRT will be rebuilt when the tender expires in years time, given that they did not use scrapped Changi's skytrain and no news of refurbishment given their 11 years old train.
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According to the newest map, Punggol NEL extended to Timor Bridge. (just tell me whether true or false).
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Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:
I dun get it. I only know that the before HBF, there are 2 crossovers as drawn by me (Not according to scale, but based on what I have observed):
And the 2005 disruption, I believe it is as good as the JEMP distruption of Jurong East - Lakeside shuttle service on one [Platform B of NEL only] instead of both platforms.
Hmm I don't think that the yellow crossover exists right before Harbourfront (i.e. only one crossover right before Harbourfront). And what I mean earlier is that the yellow crossover definitely does not exist right after Outram Park station.
In any case you can confirm it when the tunnel lights are on (which is not that often anyway) :)
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Originally posted by orange28:
Hmm I don't think that the yellow crossover exists right before Harbourfront (i.e. only one crossover right before Harbourfront). And what I mean earlier is that the yellow crossover definitely does not exist right after Outram Park station.
In any case you can confirm it when the tunnel lights are on (which is not that often anyway) :)
I know u meant the Purple crossover from start, which is seen from different angle (TW / HW / direction of train).
Well, for Outram Park NEL, there is a crossover as well, but it is similar to Harbourfront one IF I am not wrong.
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These stations have the most pratoms:
NEL Punggol
1. LRT: Notice if u take PunG LRT there appears to be a middle track. The track acually forms the middle platform. PunG LRT has four lifts. Two lifts would serve both Punggol platforms (LRT). The middle track is covered and would be reserved for future use.
2. LRT: If you go to PG road end and turn into Punggol Seventeenth Ave and go straight, turn your head left and you notice the Punggol West Loop. However there's a track suddenly moving outwards from the Punggol Point LRT station bound track. Could that be for the PG nth LRT?
NEL Outram Park to Harbourfront
Have you ever tried to find the NE2 in the tunnel? NE2 uses side platforms.
CCL Promenade
Promenade will in future be an interchange. There might be an esclator stetching from CCL to DTL. But if there's no esclator running longer than Bras Basah's then probably it runs from CCL. Otherwise from B1.
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Originally posted by langer68:
CCL Promenade
Promenade will in future be an interchange. There might be an esclator stetching from CCL to DTL. But if there's no esclator running longer than Bras Basah's then probably it runs from CCL. Otherwise from B1.
What we know is that DTL Promenade lies deeper than CCL and besides the "reserved platforms" in CCL.
Hence, most likely that the B3 is the tunnel linkway (Now staff area) OR B1 will be linking to each other.
As far as my PMN project is concern, when I go there during CCL2 open house, I saw nothing like present Harbourfront, post NEL pre CCL era of DBG where there is a knockout panel just like the reserved platform / tunnel there outside the paid areas. Hence, I guess DTL is integrated with CCL for this sense [Eh, then how about MacPherson?]
Regarding the present reserved platforms, several theories have formed:
1: Dead forever and LTA will never admit it. Well, it is possible given that the left side (Present CCL platform) turns right so sharp without any crossover reserved there to provide a turn - straight junction. There is a crossover between PMN - ESP but that is further away a bit, which is similar to JUR WB -> SB (Marina Bay bound) and NB (JUR bound) -> EB.
2: Other line reserved for future use (Future knockout panel), as indicated on one of the old DTL PMN schematic diagram. The line would highly be Holland Line or sort of. [But if a post 2020 line share with a Y2000 line, is it a bit outdated then??]
3: CCL Marina Bay extension. Advantage is that one side is DBG bound, the other side goes to HBF or sort of AFTER the loop is closed. For now, it saves the hassle of train plying from Stadium to Marina Bay (Since there is NO crossover between PMN - Stadium slidings if that unused platform is not used for this) OR Dhoby Ghaut - Marina Bay via the crossover mentioned on point 1.[A bit stupid, NSL fake one ah?]
3a: Some said that another platform on the left will be build for CCLe but I think it might be wrong [Imagine JEMP facing EB]. Come on, isnt this way involves a sharp turn in CCL again? [That makes PMN to have 2 present reserved CCL on the right platforms, 2 DTL platforms, 2 present CCL in used platforms, 2 additional present CCL platform on the other side and 2 new CCLe platforms to make it 10 platforms including the potential dead ones with the existing CCL one having 4 platforms, 2 on each direction!!]
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Originally posted by langer68:
According to the newest map, Punggol NEL extended to Timor Bridge. (just tell me whether true or false).
Source please? I never seen or hear such thing before, but Punggol is definitely extenable, unlike Harbourfront even if they go landfill Semaku or anything like that because right after HBF, the X-shaped crossover dead end, is a PG intake with staircase access on the side.
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Originally posted by Veyron16.4:
CCL
CC4 Promenade- Adopted side platforms, while other 2 platforms are covered with wooden partitions. Tunnel for DTL has been built, 3rd Rail is up but tracks are not present.
I Agree, Because In Wikipedia It Said
Platforms
Stacked Side, Stacked Island ((U/C) Track have not been layed yet)
Platforms Stacked Side, Stacked Island ((U/C) Track have not been layed yet) -
Originally posted by Felix :p:
I Agree, Because In Wikipedia It Said
Platforms
Stacked Side, Stacked Island ((U/C) Track have not been layed yet)
Platforms Stacked Side, Stacked Island ((U/C) Track have not been layed yet)
Wikipedia is actually edited by the train fans. Well, I dont agree on "Stacked Island ((U/C) Track have not been layed yet)" because technically this is called a provision and not a U/C status.