Hello, that was named as Jurong Region LRT and not Boon Lay LRT which was both in concept plan 2001 and announced (Once used to be found on LTA website along with ERL, BTL), until a lateral announcement of no new LRTs in 2007 unless that town will be heavily builtup.
well, it's not going to be easy to plan as in location of these stations within Jurong West Extn.
next thing is, looking at e freq of 241 & 243, it's not going to be a smooth ride on e integrated LRT route either.
As for NTU, I dun think any station could be built near its acad cplx.
Originally posted by sbst275:well, it's not going to be easy to plan as in location of these stations within Jurong West Extn.
next thing is, looking at e freq of 241 & 243, it's not going to be a smooth ride on e integrated LRT route either.
As for NTU, I dun think any station could be built near its acad cplx.
I rather say that the blocks near NTU is like..... nothing. Still got potential to build up first before an LRT. Well, the problem is, unless a town is heavily built up, no LRT for them.
Well, isnt Bedok, Tampines heavily built up le? How about Ang Mo Kio? These cases, again, no spaces for them.... So how?
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:I rather say that the blocks near NTU is like..... nothing. Still got potential to build up first before an LRT. Well, the problem is, unless a town is heavily built up, no LRT for them.
Well, isnt Bedok, Tampines heavily built up le? How about Ang Mo Kio? These cases, again, no spaces for them.... So how?
i dun think you would want to end up a replica of BPLRT, sort of make do kind of design.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Hello, that was named as Jurong Region LRT and not Boon Lay LRT which was both in concept plan 2001 and announced (Once used to be found on LTA website along with ERL, BTL), until a lateral announcement of no new LRTs in 2007 unless that town will be heavily builtup.
Then why Sengkang, Punggol and Bukit Panjang have LRTs?
Originally posted by dan474:Then why Sengkang, Punggol and Bukit Panjang have LRTs?
No, they are more like testing / experimental programmes.
Well, put it like this, for Sengkang, Punggol and Bukit Panjang, they were announced and built 2007 (In terms of annoucing the exact alignment, releasing the tenders etc) but not Jurong Region LRT was just merely announced as some of the future plans, oh yes BTW, one of the MRT station suffered from this fate is the Kallang Line, which is presumed to be a (branch) line from Ang Mo Kio via Toa Payoh East / Potong Pasir along the Kallang River passing through Boon Keng (Kolam Ayer?), Kallang Bharu / Basin and further south towards Lavender / Nicoll Highway and Marina areas (Ang Mo Kio - Kallang's distance is about 7km is a fact, and planned announcement stated that this planned line is about 16km and hence if that plan were to materialized, it has to be a similar alignment as above.)
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I think the ridership for BPLRT seems to fare better than the Sengkang and Punggol LRT, probably because it serves 2 neighbourhoods – CCK & Bt Panjang. The LRT system should not act just as a replacement for feeder bus routes in the neighbourhoods only, which I think will fail. The LRT system should also link up 2 or more neighbourhoods and built in crowded areas where feeder bus routes are usually packed.
For Jurong Region LRT to succeed, it should link up Jurong East, Jurong West, Boon Lay and NTU/NIE (and even IMM!). I think these areas should be considered as heavily built-up areas too. Or else, is heavily-built areas regarded as for example plenty of 40-storey HDB flats built closely together?
I think the Sengkang & Punggol LRT should interlink, ie LRT passengers should be able to travel direct between Sengkang & Punggol to provide more direct travel, without having to transfer to NEL.
1: Which part of Bukit Panjang could you see the woods / empty fields? On large part of Sengkang West and Punggol West has. Empty fields in BPJ I could think of is one near the BKE part and beyond 10 Mile Junction (OT).
2: Whats the age of the town you are comparing in SKG / PGL and BPJ. Bukit Panjang was developed as a town since 1990s but SKG / PGL was in the 2000s and it was planned to connect Jurong East to Bukit Panjang as the "Branch Line" (Now NSL) due to the residents there is higher than one in CCK [Probably is the turning curve technical reason, it cannot be implemented and was replaced by LRT instead and now DTL Stage 2]. I can still remember that the news used ask the public to stay areas including Punggol whenever there is a military exercise. Now no more le.
3: I agree that the link between Sengkang / Punggol is like "eat XXit". But one has to consider a few points:
A: I heard that the 41 Crystal Movers was bought with a reason. Why not 42 or 50 or 40? The answer lies at Sengkang LRT meant to use 18 of them [Hence the inital Sengkang East Loop's operation, I only see Set 01 to Set 18 in service and totally unaware of up to 41 of them until lateral days where West Loop was about into service] while Punggol LRT meant to use the remaining 23. (Punggol East Loop has 7 while Sengkang East has 5 stations only excluding Town Centre.)
BTW, there is a Punggol North Spur Line and I belived not only it was just drawn on plans map / early (2002 to about 2004?) street directory maps for fun, but they just shelved instead of killing the plans which contributes about 3 of the cars (The spur line is 4 stations long only, unless they extend it into Coney Island to make it 5).
Well, I mean, the 41 cars are meant to serve each loop / spur line to be sufficient for 2 mins per train despite for now, is like 6 mins per train as the demand is not there. Although I dont like this cheapo link design that takes passenger's chance of viewing the beautiful scene in TPE, but how much more trains does LTA has to buy if they allowed direct link [Even if not in terms of 2 mins per train, this spur service will have to be Punggol LRT Middle track that was covered by something that can be easily removed, cross into the main line --- opps, currently no such crossover and Punggol Modification Project is required, screwed the .... LTA planners and I dont think I talk big but I feel that I can do such job at a very satisfactionary level!!!! and cross into the inter-town link towards Cheng Lim all the way to slidings in Tongkang - Renjong which is quite long as well.], excluding the consideration on diverting on NEL's ridership and affecting NEL's purpose. (Like this is like WTF, making the pax to pay more when travelling from Sengkang LRT to Punggol LRT due to a forced use of NEL. Maybe now DBTF so no longer valid, but I remembered LRT's fares used to be calculating the number of stations.)
After looking in the situation in the North East which is some place that I am more familiar with, lets return to Jurong.
To call a LRT line as Jurong Region Line [Not cooked up by some enthus / me etc but it was from official sources that the term used to appeared in LTA website], it is definitely will be and has to be include Jurong East, West while Boon Lay / NTU - NIE is more or less part of Jurong West and even if technically they are not Jurong, they are definitely tactical and strategical location to be included in this line and you have forgotten Teban / Taman Jurong which has no rail link at all as well. Regarding IMM, it is part of Jurong East (You meant a station there? Good idea) and further up in Toh Tuck areas is something extra but the line becomes too messy le. (They ended up drafting a backward C shape like line instead of loop line like existing ones.)
Regarding the exact definition of heavily built up, I think this is another politics term, which means giving some impossible to achieve criteria before I will do something, meaning "I am totally ***ked up on it, so no more!!!" (Which is.....) because neither do I get the meaning of heavily built-up town.
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I think the ridership for BPLRT seems to fare better than the Sengkang and Punggol LRT, probably because it serves 2 neighbourhoods – CCK & Bt Panjang. The LRT system should not act just as a replacement for feeder bus routes in the neighbourhoods only, which I think will fail. The LRT system should also link up 2 or more neighbourhoods and built in crowded areas where feeder bus routes are usually packed.
For Jurong Region LRT to succeed, it should link up Jurong East, Jurong West, Boon Lay and NTU/NIE (and even IMM!). I think these areas should be considered as heavily built-up areas too. Or else, is heavily-built areas regarded as for example plenty of 40-storey HDB flats built closely together?
I think the Sengkang & Punggol LRT should interlink, ie LRT passengers should be able to travel direct between Sengkang & Punggol to provide more direct travel, without having to transfer to NEL.
SKLRT has a better LRT ridership per/km basis than BPLRT.
I think if it has to serve a big Jurong it's not going to be efficient... likely you might need to implement SWTs which is not easy to plan for LRT system.
Tat's why I dun think it's going to work if Jurong East & NTU is in e same picture.
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Well, I mean, the 41 cars are meant to serve each loop / spur line to be sufficient for 2 mins per train despite for now, is like 6 mins per train as the demand is not there. Although I dont like this cheapo link design that takes passenger's chance of viewing the beautiful scene in TPE, but how much more trains does LTA has to buy if they allowed direct link [Even if not in terms of 2 mins per train, this spur service will have to be Punggol LRT Middle track that was covered by something that can be easily removed, cross into the main line --- opps, currently no such crossover and Punggol Modification Project is required, screwed the .... LTA planners and I dont think I talk big but I feel that I can do such job at a very satisfactionary level!!!! and cross into the inter-town link towards Cheng Lim all the way to slidings in Tongkang - Renjong which is quite long as well.], excluding the consideration on diverting on NEL's ridership and affecting NEL's purpose. (Like this is like WTF, making the pax to pay more when travelling from Sengkang LRT to Punggol LRT due to a forced use of NEL. Maybe now DBTF so no longer valid, but I remembered LRT's fares used to be calculating the number of stations.)
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
Since the Sengkang & Punggol LRT infrastructure is already there, why not just get a few more trains (if needed) to provide a direct link between Sengkang & Punggol? I believe this extra cost is small as compared to the total cost of constructing and installing the system. Furthermore, it will benefit the residents of the 2 towns through a more direct link. Imagine residents can just hop onto Sengkang LRT from Compasspoint after shopping and travel direct to their LRT stops in Punggol. Now got to take svc 83 instead. Isn't that a sort of duplicate to the LRT? Isn't it a bit wasteful?
Hmm, I agree with what you said, but involves with depot capacity (Already built, now say anything also useless) and in the first place, it connects to Cheng Lim and not Sengkang, and hence this where they lack of foresight)
LOL!! So many towns, especially big ones, are waiting for LRT yet Punggol / Sengkang get it first. Worse still got not-in-service stns.
Originally posted by langer68:LOL!! So many towns, especially big ones, are waiting for LRT yet Punggol / Sengkang get it first. Worse still got not-in-service stns.
I agree. But for towns like Ang Mo Kio, Tampines and Bedok, it is likely to be planned ala Toa Payoh - Braddell / Khatib - Yishun / Marsiling - Admiralty / Choa Chu Kang - Yew Tee as well as Bukit Batok - Bukit Gombak style (Got any chance of Yishun LRT in 2030s??) where within a town with multiple MRT stations.
Heard it starts from Jurong East, not Boon Lay.
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I think the ridership for BPLRT seems to fare better than the Sengkang and Punggol LRT, probably because it serves 2 neighbourhoods – CCK & Bt Panjang. The LRT system should not act just as a replacement for feeder bus routes in the neighbourhoods only, which I think will fail. The LRT system should also link up 2 or more neighbourhoods and built in crowded areas where feeder bus routes are usually packed.
For Jurong Region LRT to succeed, it should link up Jurong East, Jurong West, Boon Lay and NTU/NIE (and even IMM!). I think these areas should be considered as heavily built-up areas too. Or else, is heavily-built areas regarded as for example plenty of 40-storey HDB flats built closely together?
I think the Sengkang & Punggol LRT should interlink, ie LRT passengers should be able to travel direct between Sengkang & Punggol to provide more direct travel, without having to transfer to NEL.
Cos they forced those living in Bukit Panjang North to take the LRT down to take 184/700/966 at Pending LRT.
They have no choice..... 922's frequency is too poor for them to wait... They have no choice. For Bukit Panjang South, they always take 190, and not the LRT.
I agree with you though, for the Boon Lay LRT to succeed, it should start from Jurong East.... The linking from Jurong West to Jurong East is quite poor... Apart from the MRT... which does not serve most living in Jurong East Ave 1 / Jurong West Ave 1.....
Takes about half an hour by bus.... those living along Jurong East / West Avenue 1 will know. 502 isnt really a good bus to take from Jurong West to IMM... half an hour.... plus express bus service fares...
Originally posted by Junyang700:Heard it starts from Jurong East, not Boon Lay.
Not starting from NTU then go Boon Lay all the way to Taman Jurong, Teban then Jurong East meh?
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
Since the Sengkang & Punggol LRT infrastructure is already there, why not just get a few more trains (if needed) to provide a direct link between Sengkang & Punggol? I believe this extra cost is small as compared to the total cost of constructing and installing the system. Furthermore, it will benefit the residents of the 2 towns through a more direct link. Imagine residents can just hop onto Sengkang LRT from Compasspoint after shopping and travel direct to their LRT stops in Punggol. Now got to take svc 83 instead. Isn't that a sort of duplicate to the LRT? Isn't it a bit wasteful?
but it also means additional signal and scheduling gotta be done.
standardisation onto serving within e new town as focus is better.
Originally posted by Junyang700:Cos they forced those living in Bukit Panjang North to take the LRT down to take 184/700/966 at Pending LRT.
They have no choice..... 922's frequency is too poor for them to wait... They have no choice. For Bukit Panjang South, they always take 190, and not the LRT.
I agree with you though, for the Boon Lay LRT to succeed, it should start from Jurong East.... The linking from Jurong West to Jurong East is quite poor... Apart from the MRT... which does not serve most living in Jurong East Ave 1 / Jurong West Ave 1.....
Takes about half an hour by bus.... those living along Jurong East / West Avenue 1 will know. 502 isnt really a good bus to take from Jurong West to IMM... half an hour.... plus express bus service fares...
There's Sv 334 & 335 to feeder ppl from Jurong East & Chinese Garden respectively.
Furthermore there's no room to build LRT stations along Jurong East/ West Ave 1, unless you're willing to fork out more cost per LRT line for underground tunnelling just for single carriage (or double carriage for e future).
No thanks Jurong west isn't that big anyway thank you for your suggestion.
Originally posted by TIB 781 L:No thanks Jurong west isn't that big anyway thank you for your suggestion.
Jurong West, Sengkang & Punggol are the designated mega New Towns (more than 90,000 projected units).
Originally posted by sbst275:
Jurong West, Sengkang & Punggol are the designated mega New Towns (more than 90,000 projected units).
JW I don't really see much potential as a mega-town though.
But Sengkang-wise and punggol, different story.
Originally posted by TIB 781 L:
JW I don't really see much potential as a mega-town though.
But Sengkang-wise and punggol, different story.
fyi
Jurong West now has 68,000 dwelling HDB units, haven't count e condos at Corporation Rd corridor & Jln Bahar tat side
Originally posted by sbst275:
fyiJurong West now has 68,000 dwelling HDB units, haven't count e condos at Corporation Rd corridor & Jln Bahar tat side
Ask the people at Jalan Bahar/Coporation road to walk (to JP)lah so lazy
So near, walk also can't walk