Downtown Line Operator, SMRT or SBS Transit ??
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1 thing for sure is who could handle big crowd..
SBS deploys staff onto e platform on weekends to advise commuters to move to less crowded doors.
SMRT? Nothing and when nid to close e door, forcefully use e irritating 2nd buzzer to rush thru... Delay lagi best, ever really saw door closed on alighting commuters..
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Current Polling list:
SBS : Junyang700 , i_luv_erky , SmRtFrEaks , Veyron16.4 , Dragonaxe , sbst275 , tranquilice
SMRT : Ajen , joeyfjj , c751bLoVuR, muziq bus , mrtdude5 , QX179R , alstom metropolis
SBS VS SMRT ( 07 : 07)
SBS Transit tie w/ SMRT -
SBS Transit.
If LTA gives DTL to SMRT, the lady CEO will be laughing more to the bank.
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I gotta say SMRT..
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Originally posted by tranquilice:
SBS Transit.
If LTA gives DTL to SMRT, the lady CEO will be laughing more to the bank.
agreed. She will see more (S+11)...
but IRAS will get more from her. :) don't worry .
hope bah, DTL to SBS
Thomsom Line to SMRT
ERL to SBS -
Instead of comparing amount of lines etc, lets forsee future MRT / LRT lines before deciding DTL should be under who. (Bolden company = most likely company to win the tender --- excluding extensions from present line such as "Changi Airport Extension / Tuas Extension / Boon Lay Extension"
Known Future LRT lines (Look, LTA just say that they wont build LTA until dunno what -- they did give a rule to build LRT one):
Punggol North Line (Sure SBST as it is part of Punggol LRT)
Jurong LRT Line (Most likely SBST as they have better management of LRTs and Jurong West is still SBST territory)
Known Future MRT lines:
Thomson Line (Most likely SMRT, due to Woodlands area)
Eastern Region Line (Most likely SBST, due to the entire stretch of East Coast from Changi all theway is under SBST)
*The below are mentioned in URA 2001 concept plans and / or LTA 1996 whitepaper.*
North Shore / Coast Line (Quite tricky, as the southern end from Changi is SBST area while the Northern end at Sembawang etc is SMRT area, but I will still vote SBST because it could be an extension from NEL [and being a second OHLE system train] , or it might be connected to ERL such that, it is still most likely a SBST train also. You might want to counter this argument as possibility to connect with TSL, but the depot is known to be at somewhere in Mandai and it is pretty illogical to connect a train line in Sembawang to Woodlands without any revenue service purpose.)
Holland Line (Most likely SMRT, especially if as some people speculated as Dhoby Ghaut - Promenade sector is a branch line of another line AFTER the circle has closed.)
Seletar Line (Most likely SBST, because even if North Shore / Coast Line does not become a second NEL, then Seletar Line might do the job. The entire sector of Seletar - Serangoon North - Kallang / Geylang Bharu - CBD areas are more like SBST territory)
Kallang Line (By now, it would be Kallang Extension so as to make NSL a loop line [Kind of Bukit Panjang LRT line in MRT version, where "Choa Chu Kang LRT station" would be Jurong East MRT station and "Bukit Panjang LRT station" would be Ang Mo Kio MRT station. Oh --- "Jelapang LRT station" will be somewhere in Marina Barrage or Marina East, depending on future NSL development. Well, proposed Kallang Line is 16km long and based on the whitepaper, it braches from Ang Mo Kio, and coupled with the fact of the distance in Bishan - Kallang should be around 7km, there is no reason to say that Kallang Line will not start from Ang Mo Kio and terminates at Marina areas.] IF the plan was not totally scrapped. Hence, it would be under SMRT.)
I do expect an extension from Paya Lebar CCL to ERL Marine Parade, or an extension from DTL Bedok Town Park station (Based on old leaked schematic diagram, it has a middle platform.) to Bedok MRT station and linked to Bedok South ERL station or both. Other extensions do include Downtown Line to finish Bukit Panjang - Kranji link (Based on cheapo design of DTL2 to follow the road, there is no way they will plan to connect Yew Tee in long term plan) and Expo - Tanah Merah Ferry Terminal ERL link.
Ok, so based on above analysis, I think the more likely SMRT because even if we do not count the future LRT lines, SBST will have ample chances to have more lines.
Well, although I think that even with all these lines by SBST, they wont have similar rail distance, otherwise, it would be unfair to SMRT. By the way, dont forget that most likely my personal prediction, is that DTL trains will park at KCD first (Using CCL tracks since there is a Promenade crossover), despite they have a maintenance facility in Marina Bay. [Otherwise how the train be installed ---- not gonna to open a big hole on Bugis, Chinatown right?].
Also, SBST have never run a long rail (NEL is shortest one) before, so there is no way LTA will give that to SBST, given that they do consider if operator is financially capable to run that or not. (NEL is suffering loss in the inital years, and rumours said SBST might sell that to SMRT but not now anymore.) I believe the planners will not believe SBST is ready to run DTL despite SBST's official stance is they are ready to run DTL.
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cannot think of bus ops today as it is for e future... dun forget it's going to switch to tendering mode..
but tender is bundled by area (profitable & unprofitable rts).
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If SBS Transit is awarded the operator it would be great. But they must improve on their announcements. Hope they can bring JM to record the announcements.
if SBS Transit old announcements are used on DTL
"deng deng deng deng deng, Next Station , Cashew, 凯秀"
If there is new announcements, my recommendations
"Ding, Next Station, Cashew, 下一站， 凯秀"
If SMRT wins
"Ding Dong, Please do not lean on the train doors....... Next Station, Cashew" -
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Instead of comparing amount of lines etc, lets forsee future MRT / LRT lines before deciding DTL should be under who. (Bolden company = most likely company to win the tender --- excluding extensions from present line such as "Changi Airport Extension / Tuas Extension / Boon Lay Extension"
Known Future LRT lines (Look, LTA just say that they wont build LTA until dunno what -- they did give a rule to build LRT one):
Punggol North Line (Sure SBST as it is part of Punggol LRT)
Jurong LRT Line (Most likely SBST as they have better management of LRTs and Jurong West is still SBST territory)
Known Future MRT lines:
Thomson Line (Most likely SMRT, due to Woodlands area)
Eastern Region Line (Most likely SBST, due to the entire stretch of East Coast from Changi all theway is under SBST)
*The below are mentioned in URA 2001 concept plans and / or LTA 1996 whitepaper.*
North Shore / Coast Line (Quite tricky, as the southern end from Changi is SBST area while the Northern end at Sembawang etc is SMRT area, but I will still vote SBST because it could be an extension from NEL [and being a second OHLE system train] , or it might be connected to ERL such that, it is still most likely a SBST train also. You might want to counter this argument as possibility to connect with TSL, but the depot is known to be at somewhere in Mandai and it is pretty illogical to connect a train line in Sembawang to Woodlands without any revenue service purpose.)
Holland Line (Most likely SMRT, especially if as some people speculated as Dhoby Ghaut - Promenade sector is a branch line of another line AFTER the circle has closed.)
Seletar Line (Most likely SBST, because even if North Shore / Coast Line does not become a second NEL, then Seletar Line might do the job. The entire sector of Seletar - Serangoon North - Kallang / Geylang Bharu - CBD areas are more like SBST territory)
Kallang Line (By now, it would be Kallang Extension so as to make NSL a loop line [Kind of Bukit Panjang LRT line in MRT version, where "Choa Chu Kang LRT station" would be Jurong East MRT station and "Bukit Panjang LRT station" would be Ang Mo Kio MRT station. Oh --- "Jelapang LRT station" will be somewhere in Marina Barrage or Marina East, depending on future NSL development. Well, proposed Kallang Line is 16km long and based on the whitepaper, it braches from Ang Mo Kio, and coupled with the fact of the distance in Bishan - Kallang should be around 7km, there is no reason to say that Kallang Line will not start from Ang Mo Kio and terminates at Marina areas.] IF the plan was not totally scrapped. Hence, it would be under SMRT.)
I do expect an extension from Paya Lebar CCL to ERL Marine Parade, or an extension from DTL Bedok Town Park station (Based on old leaked schematic diagram, it has a middle platform.) to Bedok MRT station and linked to Bedok South ERL station or both. Other extensions do include Downtown Line to finish Bukit Panjang - Kranji link (Based on cheapo design of DTL2 to follow the road, there is no way they will plan to connect Yew Tee in long term plan) and Expo - Tanah Merah Ferry Terminal ERL link.
Ok, so based on above analysis, I think the more likely SMRT because even if we do not count the future LRT lines, SBST will have ample chances to have more lines.
Well, although I think that even with all these lines by SBST, they wont have similar rail distance, otherwise, it would be unfair to SMRT. By the way, dont forget that most likely my personal prediction, is that DTL trains will park at KCD first (Using CCL tracks since there is a Promenade crossover), despite they have a maintenance facility in Marina Bay. [Otherwise how the train be installed ---- not gonna to open a big hole on Bugis, Chinatown right?].
Also, SBST have never run a long rail (NEL is shortest one) before, so there is no way LTA will give that to SBST, given that they do consider if operator is financially capable to run that or not. (NEL is suffering loss in the inital years, and rumours said SBST might sell that to SMRT but not now anymore.) I believe the planners will not believe SBST is ready to run DTL despite SBST's official stance is they are ready to run DTL.
wow, thanks for writing such a big article , so in conclusion for DTL which company you hope it will be awarded to ? SMRT or SBST?
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I go for SMRT.
I would rather have SBST stay with overhead catenary,And SMRT stay with Third-rail.
For those who don't understand,DTL uses KCD,and KCD uses 3rd Rail for power.It will be a waste to install Overhead catenary in KCD and it is easier to see the difference between SBST and SMRT rails. -
Originally posted by alstom metropolis:
I go for SMRT.
I would rather have SBST stay with overhead catenary,And SMRT stay with Third-rail.
For those who don't understand,DTL uses KCD,and KCD uses 3rd Rail for power.It will be a waste to install Overhead catenary in KCD and it is easier to see the difference between SBST and SMRT rails.Different mah. C951 uses 3rd rail. SBS must use 3rd rail if they win. They cant use the overhead catenary.
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I hope LTA announce SMRT is Downtown Line and SBS will be future Thomson Line...
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Current Polling list:
SBS : Junyang700 , i_luv_erky , SmRtFrEaks , Veyron16.4 , Dragonaxe , sbst275 , tranquilice
SMRT : Ajen , joeyfjj , c751bLoVuR, muziq bus , mrtdude5 , QX179R , alstom metropolis , Samuel Lee
Prime Taxis : wenjie639
SBS VS SMRT VS Prime Taxis ( 07 : 08 : 01)
SMRT has more votes than SBST -
Originally posted by i_luv_erky:
Different mah. C951 uses 3rd rail. SBS must use 3rd rail if they win. They cant use the overhead catenary.
My point is i would rather SBST stick to being pure overhead catenary.Anyways i think the DTL is going to be a huge FAIL.
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
I hope LTA announce SMRT is Downtown Line and SBS will be future Thomson Line...
My views are terbalik as You
"I hope LTA announce SBS is Downtown Line and SMRT will be future Thomson Line...
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Originally posted by alstom metropolis:
My point is i would rather SBST stick to being pure overhead catenary.Anyways i think the DTL is going to be a huge FAIL.
just like after NEL opened? may failures ? hahas
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Give Prime Taxis the DTL
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Originally posted by wenjie639:
Give Prime Taxis the DTL
omg. They are such a small company. opps, den i shall say NTUC transport
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Originally posted by wenjie639:
Give Prime Taxis the DTL
Give London Underground also can. :p
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e power line watever dun matter. Because the operator seriously has to learn all over again, because technology changes as new MRT line completes.
it's like when CCL opened, SMRT's 'experience' in operating e NSL/ EWL created e dwell time mess.
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
Give London Underground also can. :p
Or MTRC. Or TRTS. Or... the list goes on.
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Current Polling list:
SBS : Junyang700 , i_luv_erky , SmRtFrEaks , Veyron16.4 , Dragonaxe , sbst275 , tranquilice
SMRT : Ajen , joeyfjj , c751bLoVuR, muziq bus , mrtdude5 , QX179R , alstom metropolis , Samuel Lee
Prime Taxis : wenjie639
MTRC:
TRTS:
London Underground:
SBS VS SMRT VS Prime Taxis ( 07 : 08 : 01)
SMRT has more votes than SBST -
lol, I was just messing.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Instead of comparing amount of lines etc, lets forsee future MRT / LRT lines before deciding DTL should be under who. (Bolden company = most likely company to win the tender --- excluding extensions from present line such as "Changi Airport Extension / Tuas Extension / Boon Lay Extension"
Known Future LRT lines (Look, LTA just say that they wont build LTA until dunno what -- they did give a rule to build LRT one):
Punggol North Line (Sure SBST as it is part of Punggol LRT)
Jurong LRT Line (Most likely SBST as they have better management of LRTs and Jurong West is still SBST territory)
Known Future MRT lines:
Thomson Line (Most likely SMRT, due to Woodlands area)
Eastern Region Line (Most likely SBST, due to the entire stretch of East Coast from Changi all theway is under SBST)
*The below are mentioned in URA 2001 concept plans and / or LTA 1996 whitepaper.*
North Shore / Coast Line (Quite tricky, as the southern end from Changi is SBST area while the Northern end at Sembawang etc is SMRT area, but I will still vote SBST because it could be an extension from NEL [and being a second OHLE system train] , or it might be connected to ERL such that, it is still most likely a SBST train also. You might want to counter this argument as possibility to connect with TSL, but the depot is known to be at somewhere in Mandai and it is pretty illogical to connect a train line in Sembawang to Woodlands without any revenue service purpose.)
Holland Line (Most likely SMRT, especially if as some people speculated as Dhoby Ghaut - Promenade sector is a branch line of another line AFTER the circle has closed.)
Seletar Line (Most likely SBST, because even if North Shore / Coast Line does not become a second NEL, then Seletar Line might do the job. The entire sector of Seletar - Serangoon North - Kallang / Geylang Bharu - CBD areas are more like SBST territory)
Kallang Line (By now, it would be Kallang Extension so as to make NSL a loop line [Kind of Bukit Panjang LRT line in MRT version, where "Choa Chu Kang LRT station" would be Jurong East MRT station and "Bukit Panjang LRT station" would be Ang Mo Kio MRT station. Oh --- "Jelapang LRT station" will be somewhere in Marina Barrage or Marina East, depending on future NSL development. Well, proposed Kallang Line is 16km long and based on the whitepaper, it braches from Ang Mo Kio, and coupled with the fact of the distance in Bishan - Kallang should be around 7km, there is no reason to say that Kallang Line will not start from Ang Mo Kio and terminates at Marina areas.] IF the plan was not totally scrapped. Hence, it would be under SMRT.)
I do expect an extension from Paya Lebar CCL to ERL Marine Parade, or an extension from DTL Bedok Town Park station (Based on old leaked schematic diagram, it has a middle platform.) to Bedok MRT station and linked to Bedok South ERL station or both. Other extensions do include Downtown Line to finish Bukit Panjang - Kranji link (Based on cheapo design of DTL2 to follow the road, there is no way they will plan to connect Yew Tee in long term plan) and Expo - Tanah Merah Ferry Terminal ERL link.
Ok, so based on above analysis, I think the more likely SMRT because even if we do not count the future LRT lines, SBST will have ample chances to have more lines.
Well, although I think that even with all these lines by SBST, they wont have similar rail distance, otherwise, it would be unfair to SMRT. By the way, dont forget that most likely my personal prediction, is that DTL trains will park at KCD first (Using CCL tracks since there is a Promenade crossover), despite they have a maintenance facility in Marina Bay. [Otherwise how the train be installed ---- not gonna to open a big hole on Bugis, Chinatown right?].
Also, SBST have never run a long rail (NEL is shortest one) before, so there is no way LTA will give that to SBST, given that they do consider if operator is financially capable to run that or not. (NEL is suffering loss in the inital years, and rumours said SBST might sell that to SMRT but not now anymore.) I believe the planners will not believe SBST is ready to run DTL despite SBST's official stance is they are ready to run DTL.
looking at the MRT blueprint set out it seems like Thomson Line and Eastern Region Line will be one long line together like the DTL passing thru Orchard, Great World, Outram Park and Marina Bay areas before heading east.Anyway, SBST gets my vote for DTL.
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