Downtown Line Operator, SMRT or SBS Transit ??
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Originally posted by langer68:
TSL:
SBST:
- c751bLoVuR
- Glencsoh
- sni1996
SMRT:
- langer68
- mrtdude5
- alstom metropolis
- Gus.chong
None:
- (everyone except the above) =P
@ c751bLoVuR, I think SBST should handle ERL.
ERL:
SBST:
- langer68
None:
- (everyone except the above)
SMRT for ERL & TSL. -
@langer68
I guessing DTL > SMRT and TSL > SBST
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
@langer68
I guessing DTL > SMRT and TSL > SBST
Why are you repeating that for so many times? -
Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Why are you repeating that for so many times?
No. They didn't update. So confuse the list. -
Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
No. They didn't update. So confuse the list.
They had updated. -
Originally posted by i_luv_erky:
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Don't think too much about Kim Chuan Depot and SMRT linkage. 2 operators can share one depot, just they mark their boundaries properly will do. You don't really need 1 operator to 1 depot. There can be 2 operator in a depot.
SBS Transit wins, it will need to corporate with SMRT on how to share the depot.
An example ...Just like what you see at Dhoby Ghaut, Outram Park, Serangoon... SMRT and SBS Transit intersects at these stations. They corporate together on how to count the fares,,
Therefore SBS Transit would eventually wins the tender. Many favours SBS to win.
But these polls above won't have effect on the final decisions of MOT<A.Originally posted by sbst275:first thing, LTA owns esp DTL because of e new contract terms. CCL still has some 'leeway'.
Fares is done by PTC, so anything abt future tabulation of fares would be done by PTC
Actually all of you have got it wrong. sbst275, your post is correct, it only that the sharing of KCD is a bit wrong. For my post, just ignore the fact that LTA will own everything. This is about operations.
For KCD, the train depot OCC belongs solely to SMRT. SBST has no space inside the OCC to operate the train depot.
As for the stablings, or where they park the trains, yes, KCD has been partitioned for both CCL and DTL operations.
LTA has already called and awarded Contract 937B for Tai Seng Facility Building. This will be the DTL train OCC as well as maintenance / Washing Facility. If anyone of you drives or has driven past Bartley Road East (towards Tampines Ave 10), you would have seen this :-
Note: The blur image at the lower right hand corner is intentional.
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Basically right now, everything belongs to LTA... Incl procurement of trains, upgrade of signal system, station upgrade and so on.. It's not a BOT project as like Taipei MRT or MTR. SMRT does not contribute a single cent to the construction of CCL, NSL or EWL. Same goes for SBS's NEL.
They only need to settle day to day cost i.e. wages and maintenance.
To add on, crowd control day to day ops is operator ownself settle unless LTA need to step in. For this, SBS seriously does better than SMRT.
Just tat for DTL, everything is LTA owned, station can forget abt any 'exchanges', cos all belong to LTA.
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Why your picture like being vectorized? You edited the whole picture?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Basically right now, everything belongs to LTA... Incl procurement of trains, upgrade of signal system, station upgrade and so on.. It's not a BOT project as like Taipei MRT or MTR. SMRT does not contribute a single cent to the construction of CCL, NSL or EWL. Same goes for SBS's NEL.
They only need to settle day to day cost i.e. wages and maintenance.
To add on, crowd control day to day ops is operator ownself settle unless LTA need to step in. For this, SBS seriously does better than SMRT.
Just tat for DTL, everything is LTA owned, station can forget abt any 'exchanges', cos all belong to LTA.
Yes, what you said is true, but what I am trying to tell everybody here is that there is nothing to stop LTA from awarding the contract for operation of DTL to SBST if everything is ok and the price is right.
On the otherhand, if SMRT can secure the DTL operation contract, then it would be another feather in their hat while SBST can really consider giving up rail and concentrate on the Bus / Taxi / Overseas business.
@ c751bLoVuR - The photo was taken from extreme long range and cropped out to show the relevant area only. That is why the photo seems a bit blur. Just note that the lower right hand corner is censored due to security issue.
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Originally posted by demag_ac:
Actually all of you have got it wrong. sbst275, your post is correct, it only that the sharing of KCD is a bit wrong. For my post, just ignore the fact that LTA will own everything. This is about operations.
For KCD, the train depot OCC belongs solely to SMRT. SBST has no space inside the OCC to operate the train depot.
As for the stablings, or where they park the trains, yes, KCD has been partitioned for both CCL and DTL operations.
LTA has already called and awarded Contract 937B for Tai Seng Facility Building. This will be the DTL train OCC as well as maintenance / Washing Facility. If anyone of you drives or has driven past Bartley Road East (towards Tampines Ave 10), you would have seen this :-
Note: The blur image at the lower right hand corner is intentional.
Yes! Downtown Line will still be SMRT's in the end! -
SBS :
- Junyang700
- i_luv_erky
- SmRtFrEaks
- Veyron16.4
- Dragonaxe
- sbst275
- tranquilice
- service_238
- bus555
- Y_Shun
- kengkia
- Fryderyk HPH
- sgbuses
- SBS Transit and SMRT
- lohkinwah
- Apalis56
- Bus and Train LoVuR
- Scania96
- SBS8214Z
- SMRT/SBS Transit
- Operation//Overkill
- reckless drivers needed
- demag_ac?
SMRT :- Ajen
- joeyfjj
- c751bLoVuR
- muziq bus
- mrtdude5
- QX179R
- alstom metropolis
- Samuel Lee
- Kawac15
- smrt3099
- SBS7338G
- azharjj
- TIB1051D
- SMB66X
- leo2010agendas
- TIB770T
- EW26 Lakeside
- littlearea
- CAIX
- SMRT 32373238
- sni1996
- train lover
- SBS9231S
- Funkymark4211
- birdhuda
- SBS & TIBS
- Gus.chong
- d143b2
- Kawasaki C751B
- Annilator47
None
Those not on the list.
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Originally posted by langer68:
SBS :
- Junyang700
- i_luv_erky
- SmRtFrEaks
- Veyron16.4
- Dragonaxe
- sbst275
- tranquilice
- service_238
- bus555
- Y_Shun
- kengkia
- Fryderyk HPH
- sgbuses
- SBS Transit and SMRT
- lohkinwah
- Apalis56
- Bus and Train LoVuR
- Scania96
- SBS8214Z
- SMRT/SBS Transit
- Operation//Overkill
- reckless drivers needed
- demag_ac?
SMRT :- Ajen
- joeyfjj
- c751bLoVuR
- muziq bus
- mrtdude5
- QX179R
- alstom metropolis
- Samuel Lee
- Kawac15
- smrt3099
- SBS7338G
- azharjj
- TIB1051D
- SMB66X
- leo2010agendas
- TIB770T
- EW26 Lakeside
- littlearea
- CAIX
- SMRT 32373238
- sni1996
- train lover
- SBS9231S
- Funkymark4211
- birdhuda
- SBS & TIBS
- Gus.chong
- d143b2
- Kawasaki C751B
- Annilator47
None
Those not on the list.
You had missed out dan474 for SMRT list.
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Current Polling list:
SBS :- Junyang700 ,
- i_luv_erky ,
- SmRtFrEaks ,
- Veyron16.4 ,
- Dragonaxe ,
- sbst275 ,
- tranquilice ,
- service_238 ,
- bus555
- Y_Shun
- kengkia
- Fryderyk HPH
- sgbuses
- SBS Transit and SMRT
- lohkinwah
- Apalis56
- Bus and Train LoVuR
- Scania96
- SBS8214Z
- SMRT/SBS Transit
- Operation//Overkill
- reckless drivers needed
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loki_chaos
SMRT :
- Ajen ,
- joeyfjj ,
- c751bLoVuR,
- muziq bus ,
- mrtdude5 ,
- QX179R ,
- alstom metropolis ,
- Samuel Lee ,
- Kawac151
- smrt3099
- SBS7338G
- azharjj
- TIB1051D
- SMB66X
- leo2010agendas
- TIB770T
- EW26 Lakeside
- littlearea
- CAIX
- SMRT 32373238
- sni1996
- train lover
- SBS9231S
- Funkymark4211
- birdhuda
- SBS & TIBS
- Gus.chong
- d143b2
- Kawasaki C751B
- Annilator47
- dan474
- WTFBBQ (::
None- yellowflip999
- SBS7322B
- wenjie639
- langer68
- TPS Timothy Mok
- demag_ac
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Yes! Downtown Line will still be SMRT's in the end!
Read my post carefully, Mr Gus.chong. With the construction of TSFB, it is more likely that SBST may get the tender, as without TSFB, LTA would have more doubts about awarding the operation Tender to SBST, and will be more inclined to award to SMRT.With TSFB, it is an equal starting point between the 2 operators. Thus your statement above cannot be determined to be true currently.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Current Polling list:
SBS :- Junyang700 ,
- i_luv_erky ,
- SmRtFrEaks ,
- Veyron16.4 ,
- Dragonaxe ,
- sbst275 ,
- tranquilice ,
- service_238 ,
- bus555
- Y_Shun
- kengkia
- Fryderyk HPH
- sgbuses
- SBS Transit and SMRT
- lohkinwah
- Apalis56
- Bus and Train LoVuR
- Scania96
- SBS8214Z
- SMRT/SBS Transit
- Operation//Overkill
- reckless drivers needed
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loki_chaos
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demag_ac
SMRT :
- Ajen ,
- joeyfjj ,
- c751bLoVuR,
- muziq bus ,
- mrtdude5 ,
- QX179R ,
- alstom metropolis ,
- Samuel Lee ,
- Kawac151
- smrt3099
- SBS7338G
- azharjj
- TIB1051D
- SMB66X
- leo2010agendas
- TIB770T
- EW26 Lakeside
- littlearea
- CAIX
- SMRT 32373238
- sni1996
- train lover
- SBS9231S
- Funkymark4211
- birdhuda
- SBS & TIBS
- Gus.chong
- d143b2
- Kawasaki C751B
- Annilator47
- dan474
- WTFBBQ (::
None- yellowflip999
- SBS7322B
- wenjie639
- langer68
- TPS Timothy Mok
Please remove my name from this list. I support neither one of them. With the new ruling that operation license is only 15 years long rather than the current 30 years long, it no longer matters who operates it, as after the initial contract, other overseas or local interested operators can and will tender for the operation of DTL.Thank you.
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Originally posted by demag_ac:
Please remove my name from this list. I support neither one of them. With the new ruling that operation license is only 15 years long rather than the current 30 years long, it no longer matters who operates it, as after the initial contract, other overseas or local interested operators can and will tender for the operation of DTL.Thank you.
Ok. It is langer68 who put your name in. So I follow him. Tell him to cancel it too. -
Originally posted by langer68:
TSL:
SBST:
- c751bLoVuR
- Glencsoh
- sni1996
SMRT:
- langer68
- mrtdude5
- alstom metropolis
- Gus.chong
None:
- (everyone except the above) =P
@ c751bLoVuR, I think SBST should handle ERL.
ERL:
SBST:
- langer68
None:
- (everyone except the above)
Include me in the SMRT list for ALL.
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I am for SMRT for all 3 lines. I see no point in "competition". Like what Mr. Brown said once: "If you want competition, build one more NEL beside the current one and let SMRT run it. THEN that's competition."
This may sound trivial but I want only 1 operator so that ETA boards for one line of an interchange can be closer to the other line. I REALLY DETEST SMRT's ETA board at Outram because it is too close to the SMRT side and I really hate missing trains due to tight schedules. Imagine missing trains everyday. Really irritating. Serangoon's NEL ETA also damn far from the CCL side... Always end up missing the train. Imagine one journey miss 2 trains.
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Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:
I am for SMRT for all 3 lines. I see no point in "competition". Like what Mr. Brown said once: "If you want competition, build one more NEL beside the current one and let SMRT run it. THEN that's competition."
This may sound trivial but I want only 1 operator so that ETA boards for one line of an interchange can be closer to the other line. I REALLY DETEST SMRT's ETA board at Outram because it is too close to the SMRT side and I really hate missing trains due to tight schedules. Imagine missing trains everyday. Really irritating. Serangoon's NEL ETA also damn far from the CCL side... Always end up missing the train. Imagine one journey miss 2 trains.
I dont see the point, sorry. Look, the direction of the line is more important than the whoever ETA board. U really think that if SMRT runs NEL, then Serangoon and Outram no need walk that far? U r wrong because:
1: All lines up to CCL are a tender of 30 years, that means in 23 years time after the NEL operation for 7 years since 2003 (As time of posting which is 2010), SMRT can have a chance to operate NEL if SBST screws up big time. The same goes to SBST where 30 years later they can try taking CCL if SMRT screws up.
2: These lines are built first and upon almost complete, like 60% ~ 70% (Might be wrong), then they announce whos the operator. NEL was supposed to be operational by 2002, and won the tender in 1999 or 2001, if I never recall wrongly. In any case, by then the tunnels has already cut cover and position is finalized.
3: For Outram side, the NEL runs along Eu Tong Sen St / New Bridge Road area while EWL runs along the other side of the junction that is called Outram Road that gives a "+ shaped junction" Of course you cannot build a level crossing style ala CTH / RFP or Sengkang / Punggol LRT style without a wide turn even if NEL is built along with EWL / NSL considering that you need to factor the basement below the station (Your flat do have a basement of floor base or sort of). Since when u see a real building with a "UNO stack" style one? The same thing goes to Serangoon and any other interchanges that are not CTH / RFP /Sengkang / Punggol style.
4: Oh yeah, by the way, Choa Chu Kang MRT / LRT are operated by SMRT, dont give me that SLRT runs LRT initally because SLRT is a subsidary of SMRT. But then, it is not wheel-chair / pram friendly [Unless asking for staff's help] and needs to walk more troublesome than the Sengkang / Punggol LRT! Consider the fact that people have to run down the stairs in LRT and run up the stairs towards MRT during morning peak hours! It makes people miss the MRT too! (Vice versa for evening peak)
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I know just like in the pass, no station between Buona Vista and Clementi.
When Dover station built will be side platform. Because in the early they don't plan any station there. I think NS6 also... -
Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:
Consider the fact that people have to run down the stairs in LRT and run up the stairs towards MRT during morning peak hours!
Morning peak escalators goes down. :D
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Originally posted by joeyfjj:
Morning peak escalators goes down. :D
Your bold wrong lah. MRT side where got esclators? LRT side yes changes in morning peak. But is like WTF, so crowded and the place is like no quality one?
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
I know just like in the pass, no station between Buona Vista and Clementi.
When Dover station built will be side platform. Because in the early they don't plan any station there. I think NS6 also...NS6, NS12 and NE2 are also. But no, you got it wrongly. Read again please. SMRT 32373238 hates the idea of "competition" of 2 MRT operators that "resulted into such far apart interchange", forget on his username starts with SMRT which means "natural biasness towards SMRT", but he forget that the alignment of the new lines is the main reason for the distance, not who is operating. Well, why dont he complain on Dhoby Ghaut NSL - CCL is also damn far, as in one need to go up and down sense. Waste percious time, esp. for people from NCW or so, all the way DBG so as to transfer NSL towards TPY / BSH / AMK / YIS etc.
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I think SMRT 32373238's point is with the Estimated Arrival Time boards, which cannot encroach into the other operator's territory. look at CCL Dhoby Ghaut's ETA boards. there is practically no way to see them from the station entrances.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
I think SMRT 32373238's point is with the Estimated Arrival Time boards, which cannot encroach into the other operator's territory. look at CCL Dhoby Ghaut's ETA boards. there is practically no way to see them from the station entrances.
If I misread his point, then also goes to the same. Can you see CCL ETA from EWL in PYL?