Originally posted by SmRtFrEaks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnsEdqpV1fQ
if only our skytrain or LRT can move that fast...
and check out the couplement between two trains...they can't be coupled???..
Sengkang LRT and Punggol LRT uses the Mitsubishi Crystal Mover too.
The two train are coupled together. Unlike how we couple our LRT trains, that train is designed and coupled in such a way that passengers can move between the 2 cars through a gangway, like our MRT.
One of the line with similar system back in Japan. Train are coupled in 6-car formation with gangways to allow passengers to move in-between any of the 6 cars. It started revenue service in 1995.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWP5Ux4CE40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEp6KyKNSw
Deleted. Double Post.
Originally posted by E5:Sengkang LRT and Punggol LRT uses the Mitsubishi Crystal Mover too.
The two train are coupled together. Unlike how we couple our LRT trains, that train is designed and coupled in such a way that passengers can move between the 2 cars through a gangway, like our MRT.
One of the line with similar system back in Japan. Train are coupled in 6-car formation with gangways to allow passengers to move in-between any of the 6 cars. It started revenue service in 1995.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWP5Ux4CE40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEp6KyKNSw
LOL??? of course SBST LRT use mitsu crystal mover wat
Originally posted by E5:Sengkang LRT and Punggol LRT uses the Mitsubishi Crystal Mover too.
The two train are coupled together. Unlike how we couple our LRT trains, that train is designed and coupled in such a way that passengers can move between the 2 cars through a gangway, like our MRT.
One of the line with similar system back in Japan. Train are coupled in 6-car formation with gangways to allow passengers to move in-between any of the 6 cars. It started revenue service in 1995.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWP5Ux4CE40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEp6KyKNSw
Hey E5, do you have any videos of the crazy train peak hours rush in Japan? I mean the crazy crossovers during peak hours.
Originally posted by Dragonaxe:Hey E5, do you have any videos of the crazy train peak hours rush in Japan? I mean the crazy crossovers during peak hours.
110 seconds overhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRa06Hsd8rg
Morning rush hour overhead (First train is an semi-express which is suppose to pass the station in the video. Train following closely behind is a local train)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGzST6CnPA
Local train. Maximum speed attained in video: 110km/h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepUvSYzmWY
Off peak hour coupling (GTO + IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90IIiMMPCY
Morning rush hour coupling (2nd gen IGBT + 1st gen IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDy3UOv6lA
Some possible couplement of trains belonging to the company in the last 2 video;
Chopper + Chopper
Chopper + GTO
Chopper + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + GTO
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
Originally posted by E5:110 seconds overhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRa06Hsd8rgMorning rush hour overhead (First train is an semi-express which is suppose to pass the station in the video. Train following closely behind is a local train)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGzST6CnPALocal train. Maximum speed attained in video: 110km/h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepUvSYzmWYOff peak hour coupling (GTO + IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90IIiMMPCYMorning rush hour coupling (2nd gen IGBT + 3rd gen IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDy3UOv6lAAs an additional note, the possible couplement of the trains belonging to the company in the last 2 video are as followed;
Chopper + Chopper
Chopper + GTO
Chopper + IGBT Gen 1/2
GTO + GTO
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2
IGBT Gen 1/2 + IGBT Gen 1/2
GTO + IGBT Gen 1 + IGBT Gen 2In local context, the day where we see this kind of configuration is close to nil, or going to be extremely long if it were to come to fruition. (0.01%)
How about the VVVF ones?
Originally posted by C751A 70049/70050:How about the VVVF ones?
It's normally understood that when one says GTO and IGBT, it usually refers to GTO VVVF and IGBT VVVF respectively.
Originally posted by E5:It's normally understood that when one says GTO and IGBT, it usually refers to GTO VVVF and IGBT VVVF respectively.
I see, thanks for the clarification.
Originally posted by E5:110 seconds overhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRa06Hsd8rgMorning rush hour overhead (First train is an semi-express which is suppose to pass the station in the video. Train following closely behind is a local train)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGzST6CnPALocal train. Maximum speed attained in video: 110km/h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepUvSYzmWYOff peak hour coupling (GTO + IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90IIiMMPCYMorning rush hour coupling (2nd gen IGBT + 1st gen IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDy3UOv6lASome possible couplement of trains belonging to the company in the last 2 video;
Chopper + Chopper
Chopper + GTO
Chopper + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + GTO
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
Is that first video a one of the Chū� Line? I only remember it with 201 series trains, not those new ones.
Originally posted by mrtdude5:Is that first video a one of the Chū� Line? I only remember it with 201 series trains, not those new ones.
Yes. The trains shown in the video are the E233 series. These models are to replace the aging 201 series on Chuo Line and if my memory serves my correct, as of present, there's only 1 trainset of 201 series train is left on revenue service. A "goodbye ceremony" for the last trainset is tentatively planned sometime in mid October 2010.
The new E233 series in my opinion, is a very good train. Some of the features included are as followed:
- 5.0km/h/s deceleration when using full service brakes, 5.2km/h/s when using EB
- Components redundancy so that train can still run even when one components fails
- Full regeneration braking system
- Full LED Destination Indicator
- 2 17 inch LCD Monitor showing advertisment and real-time train/line information above every doors.
- Air filtration system to remove unpleasant smells
Singapore is not a big country, and distance also not so far. Why must trains go to 110km/h? LOL, wasting.
Wow, the trains sound like our C651 trains..
Originally posted by E5:110 seconds overhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRa06Hsd8rgMorning rush hour overhead (First train is an semi-express which is suppose to pass the station in the video. Train following closely behind is a local train)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGzST6CnPALocal train. Maximum speed attained in video: 110km/h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepUvSYzmWYOff peak hour coupling (GTO + IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90IIiMMPCYMorning rush hour coupling (2nd gen IGBT + 1st gen IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDy3UOv6lASome possible couplement of trains belonging to the company in the last 2 video;
Chopper + Chopper
Chopper + GTO
Chopper + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + GTO
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
Is it a terminal station in the first link? Thanks!
Originally posted by RuneWarrior:Why cant they make the trains faster, like 110lm/h or 100km/h, they just stick to 80km/h, so boring…
An increase in the acceleration/decceleration speed would be better, in my view.
Originally posted by E5:Yes. The trains shown in the video are the E233 series. These models are to replace the aging 201 series on Chuo Line and if my memory serves my correct, as of present, there's only 1 trainset of 201 series train is left on revenue service. A "goodbye ceremony" for the last trainset is tentatively planned sometime in mid October 2010.
The new E233 series in my opinion, is a very good train. Some of the features included are as followed:
- 5.0km/h/s deceleration when using full service brakes, 5.2km/h/s when using EB
- Components redundancy so that train can still run even when one components fails
- Full regeneration braking system
- Full LED Destination Indicator
- 2 17 inch LCD Monitor showing advertisment and real-time train/line information above every doors.
- Air filtration system to remove unpleasant smells
Using 17 inch monitor very "kua zhang".
Not cheap and use more power too.
Originally posted by Call4ljw:Is it a terminal station in the first link? Thanks!
Yes.
Originally posted by Call4ljw:Using 17 inch monitor very "kua zhang".
Not cheap and use more power too.
Some information the LCD/LED monitor display can provide:
- Advertisments
- Real-Time Train information (Passengers will be notified almost immediately when there's a delay, accident and incident, even if it took place at a rival company's line)
- *Emergency brake display notification accompanied with automatic annonuncement system the moment EB is engaged
- Time taken from current station to the respective station the train is going to stop at
- Detailed station layout information, showing passengers where the exits, transfer and location are in the current/next station and which carriage the passenger is in.
- Current Time
- What lines is available for transfer at the current/next station
- The side which the doors opens at the current/next station
- And more.....
*Note: We have this system in place on NSEWL, just that the annoucement is only made after the train has come to a complete stop. Also, the reason for engaging the emergency brake as mentioned in the annoucenement is that there is a train/system fault, which is usually not the case. Most of the time it is engaged due to changing of operation mode or engagement of ATP.
In contrast, currently our STARIS provides:
- The location of the train and stops it's going to make. (Occasionally buggy)
- The side which the doors opens at the current/next station. (Occasionally buggy)
- LED displaying written format of the announcement made.
Not to mention, STARIS cost around S$12,000,000 in total provided Wikipedia is correct. Assuming a 17 inch LCD/LED monitor cost S$300 each:
(Cost of monitor) * (2 monitors on each door) * (8 doors per carriage) * (6 car per trainset) * (106 active trainset) = Cost of LCD/LED monitor only
300 * 2 * 8 * 6 * 106 = S$3,052,800
If you include manpower, R&D, programming and miscellaneous cost, how much do you think it will cost in total?
Lastly, with an LCD/LED monitor display, route is scalable and changes usually don't cost as much as it is just "software changes". In contrast for STARIS, depending on changes are made on the existing network, it may not only require a change of "software" but may also requires a change of every information/LED boards on the trains.
Originally posted by E5:Not to mention, STARIS cost around S$12,000,000 in total provided Wikipedia is correct. Assuming a 17 inch LCD/LED monitor cost S$300 each
As far as I heard from SMRT's official reports (When they hit to news or similar), they say each STARIS (+ VFD??) cost about $20k is true, except I did forget that if it is per STARIS (8 STARIS per carriage due to 8 doors total in both sides) or per carriage.
If wikipedia is correct (Per carriage), then we would have 636 carriages
Multiply that by 636 will gives you $12,720,000 excluding R&D and the future C151As (22 such trains). Or else, it would have it $XXX,XXX,XXX which is 1 digit more than Wikipedia's one which is more unlikely.
Japan keeps their trains in station...why isn't SMRT doing so too?
Originally posted by Call4ljw:Japan keeps their trains in station...why isn't SMRT doing so too?
security reasons
Originally posted by willis_chong:security reasons
and maintenance reasons.
Why do trains slow down when entering the crossover b4 Commonwealth stn(WB track)??
Originally posted by Din89:Why do trains slow down when entering the crossover b4 Commonwealth stn(WB track)??
Do you mean Queenstown? I know for sure that there isn't a crossover anywhere close to Commonwealth.
Originally posted by mrtdude5:Do you mean Queenstown? I know for sure that there isn't a crossover anywhere close to Commonwealth.
Ouh..sori..my mistake!!Ya,i mean Queenstown :P
Originally posted by E5:110 seconds overhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRa06Hsd8rgMorning rush hour overhead (First train is an semi-express which is suppose to pass the station in the video. Train following closely behind is a local train)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGzST6CnPALocal train. Maximum speed attained in video: 110km/h
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepUvSYzmWYOff peak hour coupling (GTO + IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90IIiMMPCYMorning rush hour coupling (2nd gen IGBT + 1st gen IGBT, 8+4-car formation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDy3UOv6lASome possible couplement of trains belonging to the company in the last 2 video;
Chopper + Chopper
Chopper + GTO
Chopper + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + GTO
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
GTO + IGBT Gen 1/2/3 + IGBT Gen 1/2/3
I got to say the trains on 5th link is very shiny and like the way how trains combined each other or formation.Glad for you to give the links for Japan trains !