Circle Line Stages 4 & 5 + Marina Extension
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Originally posted by Annilator47:
for CCL from bishan to PYL , yes, much faster.
BUT the same also applies those going west, it take a load off the trains now going westbound and also thru the northline.
the problem lies in those going from jurong east to yishun and orchard areas. NS lines are ALWAYS almost crammed full especially during office hours.
don't believe me?? go try take 1 from city hall all the way north to jurong east, you 'll be suprised at the flow of people from these few areas.
so if CCL3 and 4 from bishan to jurong east the line is useless, i suggest you have to rethink again on that apsect.
O, so you mean the CCL is more like EWL reliever, and add loads to NSL?
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CCL works as a CBD reliever. Its expected to carry about 500k ppl daily, the same as DTL but DTL should be higher since DTL2 has tons of schools and at Bukit Panjang there are tons of residents dying to go to the city as fast as possible.
DTL3 serves Bedok Reservoir, one of the most densely populated (I lived there once). Its madness lol. It is expected to pass through the whole of Bedok Reservoir Rd and should be almost parallel to EWL.
CCL is somehow a balancer IMO. It balances off load from the EWL to NSL and vice versa.
This is how it works.
Passengers going to Buona Vista from Bishan :
Instead of adding the load between Bishan and City Hall and City Hall and Buona Vista, CCL cuts the load between this 2 segments.
Passengers going to Paya Lebar from Bishan.
Instead of adding the load between Bishan and City Hall and City Hall and Paya Lebar, CCL cuts the load between these segments.
That applies the same to the rest.
CCL runs almost parallel to EWL, its more of a reliever.
Only this segment will have lesser load.
BUONA VISTA ~ PAYA LEBAR(EWL)
The NSL part would only have a lighter load when Thomson Line open.
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DTL 1 would lighten the load off buses. You go Chinatown, go to the bus stop (Towards clarke quay, CT8/CT18/CT28 (Town-wards bound)
Its madness, I would talk about that later.
The path of DTL 1 is almost all reclaimed land. That explains the long completion date of 2013, 4~5 years, a engineering challenge. It actually lightens the load off buses, It runs through where the load of the buses are at the peak. Nothing much to say here.
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DTL 2 runs ALMOST parallel to EWL but not really.
DTL 2 will relieve the load of NSL, EWL.
Between :
JURONG EAST ~ CHOA CHU KANG. (NSL)
JURONG EAST ~ RAFFLES PLACE. (EWL)
BUONA VISTA ~ BOTANICAL GARDENS. (CCL)
There would be more load from Woodlands going to Jurong East would be taking the BPLRT and alight at Bukit Panjang station and walk towards the MRT Station.
SVC 23 would be mostly be scrapped should Rochor station be an interchange with DTL3.
It connects the Northwest region and the North East region together.
and alot more.. too lazy to write.
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Try google for Future MRT lines map.
I believe I know which map you are referrig to. That map was drawn by an hobbyist, and thus we should not speculate anything from that map.
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
I believe I know which map you are referrig to. That map was drawn by an hobbyist, and thus we should not speculate anything from that map.
Well, now we look at it and of course it is stpuid.
Ok, i believe some one will do a similar one when the concept 2011 is released
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Actually CCL is to relieve ppl away from especially e NSL (To Suntec) & EWL (Eastern end). The Western end will only significant benefit in skipping e need to use RFP to get to Bishan or Serangoon tat side.
As long as PSA does not clear e area, CCL is useless to relieve CTH load for passengers from Western corridor heading to Suntec.
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
DTL 2 runs ALMOST parallel to EWL but not really.
DTL 2 will relieve the load of NSL, EWL.
Between :
JURONG EAST ~ CHOA CHU KANG. (NSL)
JURONG EAST ~ RAFFLES PLACE. (EWL)
BUONA VISTA ~ BOTANICAL GARDENS. (CCL)
There would be more load from Woodlands going to Jurong East would be taking the BPLRT and alight at Bukit Panjang station and walk towards the MRT Station.
SVC 23 would be mostly be scrapped should Rochor station be an interchange with DTL3.
It connects the Northwest region and the North East region together.
and alot more.. too lazy to write.
eh..
Jurong East - Choa Chu Kang - Raffles Place: Although it relieves the load from BPLRT, gotta take into mind that not many ppl take MRT to City from Bt Panjang.
DTL is instead possibly replacing Sv 700 & 960 especially.
Neither it really relieves the leg to Raffles Place as ppl has a choice of buses to Newton instead along Bt Timah.
Sv 23 might not be scrapped after all. Can't explain here over e passenger load.
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
DTL 1 would lighten the load off buses. You go Chinatown, go to the bus stop (Towards clarke quay, CT8/CT18/CT28 (Town-wards bound)
Its madness, I would talk about that later.
The path of DTL 1 is almost all reclaimed land. That explains the long completion date of 2013, 4~5 years, a engineering challenge. It actually lightens the load off buses, It runs through where the load of the buses are at the peak. Nothing much to say here.
eh.. first thing DTL cannot solve everything. MRT is never a magic to replace buses fully. You force ppl to take DTL and change to older lines, yet no one improves older line freq it's in for trouble.Wat abt ppl heading to Orchard, Geylang? As for Bugis, it would be making 1 big round affecting travelling fare for commuters.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
eh.. first thing DTL cannot solve everything. MRT is never a magic to replace buses fully. You force ppl to take DTL and change to older lines, yet no one improves older line freq it's in for trouble.Wat abt ppl heading to Orchard, Geylang? As for Bugis, it would be making 1 big round affecting travelling fare for commuters.
In MRT, the fares are charged on the fastest route and not the distance travelled.
You can go to Marina Bay from Woodlands via Jurong East or just ride the Southbound train. SAME FARE!
We can't increase the frequency until the signalling system is upgraded of there are more than 5 depots (Tuas depot is suppose to house the C151As and the other bunch of "SPARE" trains). To achieve 1 minute frequency we need 200+ trains while we currently only got 106 trains.
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Regarding loading between Buona Vista and City Hall once the CCL4 and 5 start operating, I foresee that stretch will remain just as pack.
Commuters from West heading Orchard would not transfer at BV and Bishan to proceed to Orchard. Moreover at present many from BV, Clementi, Bukit Batok, CCK probably prefer buses over trains. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern.
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading AMK/YCK/YIS/WOODLAND would probably make transfer at Jurong East and take the N-S line, or buses in some cases. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern too. For it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Bishan again.
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading Serangoon/Hougang/Sengkang/Punggol, make transfer at Outram. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern, again for it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Serangoon again.
The need in making transfers at BV, Bishan, Serangoon may put many commuters off. Residents from West will 'switch' to CCL probably only if their final destination was along one of the stations in CCL. And no idiots from West will travel on CCL to Dhobby Ghaut or Esplanade.
Thus it seems to me that the loading will be just as heavy as it is today.
Residents from West will see benefits in CCL only when DTL, DTL2 operating. For DTL goes into the city. And residents along CCL4 and CCL5 may make transfer at Botanical Gardens and head toward Rochor.
Just wish that DTL and DTL2 start operting soon.
Still there are some who will still benefit from CCL4 AND 5.
1. Residents along CCL4 and 5, not many except those residents in estates at Telok Blangah and Farrer Road.
2. Workers and students in BV, One-North and Kent Ridge.
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Originally posted by Dragonaxe:
In MRT, the fares are charged on the fastest route and not the distance travelled.
You can go to Marina Bay from Woodlands via Jurong East or just ride the Southbound train. SAME FARE!
We can't increase the frequency until the signalling system is upgraded of there are more than 5 depots (Tuas depot is suppose to house the C151As and the other bunch of "SPARE" trains). To achieve 1 minute frequency we need 200+ trains while we currently only got 106 trains.
So which is e fastest route? Take direct DTL via Bayfront or via OTP?In any case it cost 200% more by MRT from Potong Pasir to Toa Payoh compared to taking Sv 142. $1.40 in fact.
They're bringing in more trains as well as upgrading Jurong East Int to make it 2 mins freq. But it's not going to be of any use if they keep on increase MRT lines at e same time and removing bus svs.
Tat's why the policy is no more towards MRT but w/ both MRT and buses.
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
Regarding loading between Buona Vista and City Hall once the CCL4 and 5 start operating, I foresee that stretch will remain just as pack.
Commuters from West heading Orchard would not transfer at BV and Bishan to proceed to Orchard. Moreover at present many from BV, Clementi, Bukit Batok, CCK probably prefer buses over trains. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern.
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading AMK/YCK/YIS/WOODLAND would probably make transfer at Jurong East and take the N-S line, or buses in some cases. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern too. For it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Bishan again.
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading Serangoon/Hougang/Sengkang/Punggol, make transfer at Outram. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern, again for it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Serangoon again.
The need in making transfers at BV, Bishan, Serangoon may put many commuters off. Residents from West will 'switch' to CCL probably only if their final destination was along one of the stations in CCL. And no idiots from West will travel on CCL to Dhobby Ghaut or Esplanade.
Thus it seems to me that the loading will be just as heavy as it is today.
Residents from West will see benefits in CCL only when DTL, DTL2 operating. For DTL goes into the city. And residents along CCL4 and CCL5 may make transfer at Botanical Gardens and head toward Rochor.
Just wish that DTL and DTL2 start operting soon.
Still there are some who will still benefit from CCL4 AND 5.
1. Residents along CCL4 and 5, not many except those residents in estates at Telok Blangah and Farrer Road.
2. Workers and students in BV, One-North and Kent Ridge.
It's too long. There's Sv 963 from NUH corridor to Hillview Ave itself. I believe the net travelling time by DTL/ CCL would be longer bearing in mind of 1 more tx or walking from Upp Bt Timah Rd.
As for Bt Panjang - Woodlands leg, there's no MRT coverage.
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading AMK/YCK/YIS/WOODLAND would probably make transfer at Jurong East and take the N-S line, or buses in some cases. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern too. For it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Bishan again.
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading Serangoon/Hougang/Sengkang/Punggol, make transfer at Outram. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern, again for it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Serangoon again.
The need in making transfers at BV, Bishan, Serangoon may put many commuters off. Residents from West will 'switch' to CCL probably only if their final destination was along one of the stations in CCL. And no idiots from West will travel on CCL to Dhobby Ghaut or Esplanade.
I disagree. I see that CCL 4 will in fact much faster than NSL in terms of distance travelled if people from Boon Lay / Clementi going to Ang Mo Kio, Yio Chu Kang and possibly Yishun. Woodlands might be really better off using Jurong East NSL.
And I find that transfering in Outram Park is a bit too far when CCL4 opens (Unless u mean people in Redhill / Queenstown and people in Commonwealth can seriously consider CCL).
Dont forget that the longer you take, the higher chance u overstay.
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CCL hardly runs parallel to any of the existing MRT lines. its main purpose is simply to link up mostly suburban areas, where most commuters currently use buses to get around. CCL links these areas together and also to the existing lines such that ppl can x-fer to the existing lines at the interchanges and then travel to/from the CBD.
thus, CCL does not really help to ease the load of the existing MRT lines, but instead adds to the commuters travelling by MRT by making it possible for ppl staying ard those areas to do so.
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some pics of CCL4 here, taken this morning:
CC19 Botanic Gardens
DTL works are in progress, while CCL is structurally done. station exits/ ventilation shafts are under construction.
used to say: when completed "in 2010"
CC21 Holland Village
road reinstatement in progress, station exits/ ventilation shafts will probably be done soon
CC22 Buona Vista
road reinstatement in progress, station exits/ventilation shafts are under construction. construction site still quite messy
the structure covered in green netting is a station exit
CC23 one-north
basic structure of the station was constructed together with fusionopolis, contractor only did the fitting out works.
CC24 Kent Ridge
NUH medical centre will be built on top of the station. road reinstatement in progress. station exits/ ventilation shafts are more or less completed
more pics: http://picasaweb.google.com/tansongkeat/Jun1710CircleLineMRTStage4
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To those who perceive the CCL4 to be an unstrategic line, I have heard a really large number of university people who stay in the north east how eager they are for it to open.
No more desperation for travelling down to Outram and no necessity to fight to stay in the Uni hostels. Cheers to the openings of CCL 4 & 5. =)
Nice pics, 201911. Thanks for the update.
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Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:
To those who perceive the CCL4 to be an unstrategic line, I have heard a really large number of university people who stay in the north east how eager they are for it to open.
No more desperation for travelling down to Outram and no necessity to fight to stay in the Uni hostels. Cheers to the openings of CCL 4 & 5. =)
im a sense it's true.But dun forget it's also adding more load if bus svs are esp removed
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
Regarding loading between Buona Vista and City Hall once the CCL4 and 5 start operating, I foresee that stretch will remain just as pack.
Commuters from West heading Orchard would not transfer at BV and Bishan to proceed to Orchard.
this is correct.
Moreover at present many from BV, Clementi, Bukit Batok, CCK probably prefer buses over trains. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern.
correct as well since there are good bus connections now. but if they "rationalize"...
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading AMK/YCK/YIS/WOODLAND would probably make transfer at Jurong East and take the N-S line, or buses in some cases. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern too. For it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Bishan again.
if I am going to AMK/BSN area, CCL4 will be faster. for TPY/YIS the time savings is smaller, but there is still a difference. the transfer at BNV is going to be like PYL one so should be relatively seamless as well.
At present commuters from West (BV onwards) heading Serangoon/Hougang/Sengkang/Punggol, make transfer at Outram. CCL4 and 5 will not change this pattern, again for it is too cumbersome to make transfer at BV and Serangoon again.
I do believe the CCL is still faster in this instance. going down to OTP will take over 20 mins (and you are only at the second southernmost station along the line) and the connecting linkway is longer.
The need in making transfers at BV, Bishan, Serangoon may put many commuters off. Residents from West will 'switch' to CCL probably only if their final destination was along one of the stations in CCL.
dont think it would be many. just some.
And no idiots from West will travel on CCL to Dhobby Ghaut or Esplanade.
well of course.
Thus it seems to me that the loading will be just as heavy as it is today.
Residents from West will see benefits in CCL only when DTL, DTL2 operating. For DTL goes into the city.
only if you live at BP/Hillview and areas of CCK covered by LRT, not CLE/BBT/JUR/BNL.
And residents along CCL4 and CCL5 may make transfer at Botanical Gardens and head toward Rochor.
CCL3/4 maybe. CCL5 residents may find it faster to go down to HBF.
Just wish that DTL and DTL2 start operting soon.
I believe everyone hopes so as well!
Still there are some who will still benefit from CCL4 AND 5.
1. Residents along CCL4 and 5, not many except those residents in estates at Telok Blangah and Farrer Road.
2. Workers and students in BV, One-North and Kent Ridge.
my responses in bold as a west resident.
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Circle Line Stage 4 - Construction Site
Video on 22 June 2010 at www.youtube.com/biminirosy
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
my responses in bold as a west resident.
if I am going to AMK/BSN area, CCL4 will be faster. for TPY/YIS the time savings is smaller, but there is still a difference. the transfer at BNV is going to be like PYL one so should be relatively seamless as well.
Is TPY referring to Toa Payoh? If so the correct acronym for it is TAP.
I cant disagree with you views about Western residents not really benefitting from CCL down to town... Simply put, nothing can be faster than a straight green line already there for residents =)
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Originally posted by SMRT 32373238:
Is TPY referring to Toa Payoh? If so the correct acronym for it is TAP.
I cant disagree with you views about Western residents not really benefitting from CCL down to town... Simply put, nothing can be faster than a straight green line already there for residents =)
yup am just using the more known acronym for the area. thanks for the clarifaction anyway.
after all circle line is a loop that connects suburban areas except CCL1 that serves the city. only problem is CCL1 is not quite as accessible for western residents than those in the east.
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Originally posted by deskoh91:
yup am just using the more known acronym for the area. thanks for the clarifaction anyway.
after all circle line is a loop that connects suburban areas except CCL1 that serves the city. only problem is CCL1 is not quite as accessible for western residents than those in the east.
CCL in Western areas just simply lack of the Harbourfront Extension (Marina Bay - Harbourfront sector). After that, it should be a long term useful line.
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Circle Line Stage 4 Tour - Part 1 Constructions Site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA68jiZASM4 -
Circle LIne Phase 4 started in August 2004. And it won't be operational until 2011. And it was still 'on-track'. LTA never miss their target.
I wondering if 7 years is abit too long?