Originally posted by mrtdude5:How ridiculous are we going to get with this terrorism threat thing? The picture does not have any mesaurements or a scale on it and is a still photo. What mathematical conclusions can be made from that photo?
just close this topic. just don't upload.
I personally find its over-reaction to prohibit filming or photographing of trains. I admire Melbourne's authorities to allow railway enthusiasts photograph at train stations and trains; but got to apply permit from train operators.
I feel that by prohibiting photographing or filming is not going to prevent any terrorist attack at all. Instead our authorities should think of how to stop terrorist from walking into the train and public premises with a bag of explosives. There are no bomb/explosive detectors, etc. Transit security can do little or of any use if a terrorist were to walk into the train station and explode him/herself. I believe we are only relying on leads currently to spot any terrorist moves.
Even at Changi Airport; security personnel board the buses to inspect; I don't think its of any use at all. A terrorist may just use a smaller bag, escape undetected and then detonate? Or the bomb explodes before the police officer can do anything? And how about terrorists taking taxi or private car to airport with a bag of explosives and enter the departure hall full of people? Similarly, the armed group of police officers patrolling the trains and train stations; I doubt its going to prevent terrorist attack from happening effectively.
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I personally find its over-reaction to prohibit filming or photographing of trains. I admire Melbourne's authorities to allow railway enthusiasts photograph at train stations and trains; but got to apply permit from train operators.
I feel that by prohibiting photographing or filming is not going to prevent any terrorist attack at all. Instead our authorities should think of how to stop terrorist from walking into the train and public premises with a bag of explosives. There are no bomb/explosive detectors, etc. Transit security can do little or of any use if a terrorist were to walk into the train station and explode him/herself. I believe we are only relying on leads currently to spot any terrorist moves.
Even at Changi Airport; security personnel board the buses to inspect; I don't think its of any use at all. A terrorist may just use a smaller bag, escape undetected and then detonate? Or the bomb explodes before the police officer can do anything? And how about terrorists taking taxi or private car to airport with a bag of explosives and enter the departure hall full of people? Similarly, the armed group of police officers patrolling the trains and train stations; I doubt its going to prevent terrorist attack from happening effectively.
Yeah I agree, I wonder why youyuan did not mention it during the press interview. By saying that train fans does not condone or do illegal stuffs like the 2 vandals does not mean we should accept this kind of unrealistic and unreasonable ban.
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Yeah I agree, I wonder why youyuan did not mention it during the press interview. By saying that train fans does not condone or do illegal stuffs like the 2 vandals does not mean we should accept this kind of unrealistic and unreasonable ban.
because lol the press also took risk to take pictures.
I remembered reading from earlier posts quite sometime ago that London Tube initially banned photography at train stations but was later lifted due to pressure from railway fans. But rather, I guess the London authorities realised that by banning railway photography, its not going to prevent terrorism from taking place (reasons as per my prev posts)?? Melbourne allowed train photography, provided permission is sought and a photography permit is issued. Instead, I feel that by banning for instance photography, it makes terrorists have the impression that our authorities are not confident enough to protect the public transport and still unsure about how to prevent terrorism, hence becoming so paranoid. I believe a suicide bomber need not go round and take photos and videos before attacking. He/she can jolly well walk a few times the train station to familiarise. And question is, how are our authorities going to tackle such situation??
But at least the more sensible thing our authorities have done is for eg: to remove the dust bins to prevent bombs from hiding inside and installing CCTVs. And most important is to further improve intelligence gathering to thrwart terrorism, guard the borders to prevent explosives from smuggled in, tighter control on companies that deals in explosive related products and ingredients, cover up the void space under the benches, installing security grilles on overhead bridges to prevent bombs being thrown onto elevated tracks, etc.
Design of train stations also play a part to help thrawt terrorism. Being spacious enough to meet pax volume, enough escape stairs/escalators to facilitate escape during emergency - maybe station control staff should have emergency buttons to reverse the direction of all escalators to facilitate escape during emergency, have simple and open train station and platform layout by minimising corners, educating public how to disarm a spotted suicide bomber???
Besides public transport system, terrorists may also target crowded places such as shopping centres, exhibitions, etc.
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I remembered reading from earlier posts quite sometime ago that London Tube initially banned photography at train stations but was later lifted due to pressure from railway fans. But rather, I guess the London authorities realised that by banning railway photography, its not going to prevent terrorism from taking place (reasons as per my prev posts)?? Melbourne allowed train photography, provided permission is sought and a photography permit is issued. Instead, I feel that by banning for instance photography, it makes terrorists have the impression that our authorities are not confident enough to protect the public transport and still unsure about how to prevent terrorism, hence becoming so paranoid. I believe a suicide bomber need not go round and take photos and videos before attacking. He/she can jolly well walk a few times the train station to familiarise. And question is, how are our authorities going to tackle such situation??
But at least the more sensible thing our authorities have done is for eg: to remove the dust bins to prevent bombs from hiding inside and installing CCTVs. And most important is to further improve intelligence gathering to thrwart terrorism, guard the borders to prevent explosives from smuggled in, tighter control on companies that deals in explosive related products and ingredients, cover up the void space under the benches, installing security grilles on overhead bridges to prevent bombs being thrown onto elevated tracks, etc.
Design of train stations also play a part to help thrawt terrorism. Being spacious enough to meet pax volume, enough escape stairs/escalators to facilitate escape during emergency - maybe station control staff should have emergency buttons to reverse the direction of all escalators to facilitate escape during emergency, have simple and open train station and platform layout by minimising corners, educating public how to disarm a spotted suicide bomber???
Besides public transport system, terrorists may also target crowded places such as shopping centres, exhibitions, etc.
+1
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I remembered reading from earlier posts quite sometime ago that London Tube initially banned photography at train stations but was later lifted due to pressure from railway fans. But rather, I guess the London authorities realised that by banning railway photography, its not going to prevent terrorism from taking place (reasons as per my prev posts)?? Melbourne allowed train photography, provided permission is sought and a photography permit is issued. Instead, I feel that by banning for instance photography, it makes terrorists have the impression that our authorities are not confident enough to protect the public transport and still unsure about how to prevent terrorism, hence becoming so paranoid. I believe a suicide bomber need not go round and take photos and videos before attacking. He/she can jolly well walk a few times the train station to familiarise. And question is, how are our authorities going to tackle such situation??
But at least the more sensible thing our authorities have done is for eg: to remove the dust bins to prevent bombs from hiding inside and installing CCTVs. And most important is to further improve intelligence gathering to thrwart terrorism, guard the borders to prevent explosives from smuggled in, tighter control on companies that deals in explosive related products and ingredients, cover up the void space under the benches, installing security grilles on overhead bridges to prevent bombs being thrown onto elevated tracks, etc.
Design of train stations also play a part to help thrawt terrorism. Being spacious enough to meet pax volume, enough escape stairs/escalators to facilitate escape during emergency - maybe station control staff should have emergency buttons to reverse the direction of all escalators to facilitate escape during emergency, have simple and open train station and platform layout by minimising corners, educating public how to disarm a spotted suicide bomber???
Besides public transport system, terrorists may also target crowded places such as shopping centres, exhibitions, etc.
I don't know why people don't understand this very simple and logical explanation. +1
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I remembered reading from earlier posts quite sometime ago that London Tube initially banned photography at train stations but was later lifted due to pressure from railway fans. But rather, I guess the London authorities realised that by banning railway photography, its not going to prevent terrorism from taking place (reasons as per my prev posts)?? Melbourne allowed train photography, provided permission is sought and a photography permit is issued. Instead, I feel that by banning for instance photography, it makes terrorists have the impression that our authorities are not confident enough to protect the public transport and still unsure about how to prevent terrorism, hence becoming so paranoid. I believe a suicide bomber need not go round and take photos and videos before attacking. He/she can jolly well walk a few times the train station to familiarise. And question is, how are our authorities going to tackle such situation??
But at least the more sensible thing our authorities have done is for eg: to remove the dust bins to prevent bombs from hiding inside and installing CCTVs. And most important is to further improve intelligence gathering to thrwart terrorism, guard the borders to prevent explosives from smuggled in, tighter control on companies that deals in explosive related products and ingredients, cover up the void space under the benches, installing security grilles on overhead bridges to prevent bombs being thrown onto elevated tracks, etc.
Design of train stations also play a part to help thrawt terrorism. Being spacious enough to meet pax volume, enough escape stairs/escalators to facilitate escape during emergency - maybe station control staff should have emergency buttons to reverse the direction of all escalators to facilitate escape during emergency, have simple and open train station and platform layout by minimising corners, educating public how to disarm a spotted suicide bomber???
Besides public transport system, terrorists may also target crowded places such as shopping centres, exhibitions, etc.
+1. Can send to SMRT as proposal already.
They didn't ban photography la.
Originally posted by willis_chong:+1. Can send to SMRT as proposal already.
+2. Because I really think that in shopping centre or Mall also can get terrorist.. But why the public allowed to taking photo?
Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:+2. Because I really think that in shopping centre or Mall also can get terrorist.. But why the public allowed to taking photo?
Shopping Malls usually cannot take photo. The sign that says no phototaking is normally found at the entrance.
Originally posted by Interception_7:They didn't ban photography la.
Technically yes [you are right that they are not banned], since neither SMRT website nor LTA website nor MRT entrance says no handphone with camera / DC / VCR but some of the staff took it like as if a big business that even alert police (They eat full and nothing else better to do) so it is kind of in practice, it is banned.
--- Edited in case the message is 'a bit confusing'
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Technically yes, since neither SMRT website nor LTA website nor MRT entrance says no handphone with camera / DC / VCR but some of the staff took it like as if a big business that even alert police (They eat full and nothing else better to do) so it is kind of in practice, it is banned.
I repeat once again, it isn't banned.
i think it's just been temporaly suspended.
Originally posted by willis_chong:Shopping Malls usually cannot take photo. The sign that says no phototaking is normally found at the entrance.
I saw Facebook friends' pictures, some of them taken at shopping malls. I think they are not caught.
Next, look at schools. Schools are not banned from taking, classrooms during lessons usually cannot take photo and video.
Photography in MRT, without prior permission was banned since the Madrid bombings (2004). Some of them emailed and said is temporary suspended.
Originally posted by TPS Timothy Mok:Photography in MRT, without prior permission was banned since the Madrid bombings (2004). Some of them emailed and said is temporary suspended.
What do you mean by emailed? For me, I emailed SMRT before. (One Time).
They said, photography and videography is strictly not allowed in trains and stations
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there is no offical statement abt photos and video, unless PTC review after the 047/048 sega in 6mths time.
RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEMS REGULATIONS
Originally posted by Interception_7:
I repeat once again, it isn't banned.
I repeat again, it is not ban but usually they dont welcome it as well (And risk calling police). I bet everyone here and there are confused as well.
As part of our security measures, we do not encourage photo taking or video recording within our MRT system without prior permission. Those who are found taking photos and/or videos will be advised against doing so, and those who wish to do so, should inform our station staff.
Originally posted by Interception_7:As part of our security measures, we do not encourage photo taking or video recording within our MRT system without prior permission. Those who are found taking photos and/or videos will be advised against doing so, and those who wish to do so, should inform our station staff.
Originally posted by youyuan:there is no offical statement abt photos and video, unless PTC review after the 047/048 sega in 6mths time.
RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEMS REGULATIONS
But we inform the staff, and the staff say "NO!" then how?
to youyuan: I don't see any "photo and video not allowed"?
Originally posted by youyuan:there is no offical statement abt photos and video, unless PTC review after the 047/048 sega in 6mths time.
RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEMS REGULATIONS
with regards to para 18 in the regulations
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means no overstaying?
Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:But we inform the staff, and the staff say "NO!" then how?
to youyuan: I don't see any "photo and video not allowed"?
@staff say "NO!". You already answered your own question.
Originally posted by yellowflip999:@staff say "NO!". You already answered your own question.
If the staff not allowed, then forget it??
Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:If the staff not allowed, then forget it??
Staff is staff, it's their problem whether one staff allows the other staff to film. Forget what?