What do you think about Singapore MRT system?
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
The worst are C651s..
Hi C751...what is c651s??? Sorry I dont know the meaning.... -
Originally posted by likeyou:
Hi C751...what is c651s??? Sorry I dont know the meaning....I meant the train model.. Nvm..
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Hi C751...what is c651s??? Sorry I dont know the meaning....C651 is a particular train model made by Siemens.
More info available here:
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Originally posted by E5:
Uber modern? World class?
Singapore
Japan
Are we modern? Is it world class? Pictures not owned by me btw.
World class?What do you mean when most of our trains are made in japan,like the c151 and c751b trainsets.................................................................................................but there is still a lot of comparison between singapore and japan..
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The MRT network is not exactly what I call world-class. Firstly, the infrastructure on the older lines is aging. The older stations, especially those on the west side, are really starting to show their age and out-of-date-ness. They could use a facelift.
However, I think the biggest two flaws on the MRT are its users and its frequency. I'm not saying that no one is kind on the MRT, but there could be a lot more. A flood of people age 60 - 70+ gets on a crowded train, and what does everyone do? Fall asleep, especially those in the priority seats. Yesterday, on my morning commute to school, a staff member on the eastbound Clementi platform needed to yell at someone sleeping and listening to deafening music in the priority seat to give it up to a pregnant woman carrying a decent amount of shopping. Some mode of awareness must be attempted that has a much more serious tone and better impact than their Courtesy Trains and PCK stickers.
The frequency on the MRT could see some MAJOR improvements. I missed a train on the way home a couple weeks ago and timed the wait till the next train with my watch. Nine minutes and 22 seconds is what I got, and the train that came, like all trains that I take at 3PM+, was no different than the one I took in the morning during peak hours in terms of how many people were inside. Increasing frequency will also reduce this crowd. There are always quite a number of trains idling in the depots - get them out and use them! Go to London, Hong Kong, Taipei, Bangkok, New York City, Seoul, Tokyo... I have personally been to all of those cities in the last five years and during off-peak hours, there were always seats on the trains, and with the exception of maybe London, the trains would arrive in five minutes or less. Taipei and Hong Kong have an average wait time of FOUR minutes during off-peak hours. Why can't Singapore?
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i believe maybe 2 stations might have a facelift, 1 is Jurong East, another is BNV
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Originally posted by mrtdude5:
The MRT network is not exactly what I call world-class. Firstly, the infrastructure on the older lines is aging. The older stations, especially those on the west side, are really starting to show their age and out-of-date-ness. They could use a facelift.
However, I think the biggest two flaws on the MRT are its users and its frequency. I'm not saying that no one is kind on the MRT, but there could be a lot more. A flood of people age 60 - 70+ gets on a crowded train, and what does everyone do? Fall asleep, especially those in the priority seats. Yesterday, on my morning commute to school, a staff member on the eastbound Clementi platform needed to yell at someone sleeping and listening to deafening music in the priority seat to give it up to a pregnant woman carrying a decent amount of shopping. Some mode of awareness must be attempted that has a much more serious tone and better impact than their Courtesy Trains and PCK stickers.
The frequency on the MRT could see some MAJOR improvements. I missed a train on the way home a couple weeks ago and timed the wait till the next train with my watch. Nine minutes and 22 seconds is what I got, and the train that came, like all trains that I take at 3PM+, was no different than the one I took in the morning during peak hours in terms of how many people were inside. Increasing frequency will also reduce this crowd. There are always quite a number of trains idling in the depots - get them out and use them! Go to London, Hong Kong, Taipei, Bangkok, New York City, Seoul, Tokyo... I have personally been to all of those cities in the last five years and during off-peak hours, there were always seats on the trains, and with the exception of maybe London, the trains would arrive in five minutes or less. Taipei and Hong Kong have an average wait time of FOUR minutes during off-peak hours. Why can't Singapore?
Can Singapore sure can. It just that they need to buy more trains and I wonder if the 3 depots (Changi, Ulu Pandan and Bishan) are fully utilized (I.e: No additional slots for any trains, it is either built a entire new depot or no new train at all -- PS: They are going to build a depot near Tuas Checkpoint when it extends to the Tuas in 2015. BUT, isnt the new C151A trains will come at 2011 where the new depot is not ready yet?)
Kim Chuan, Sengkang and Gali Batu are for Circle (Downtown), North East and Downtown respectively and have no connection with EWL / NSL.
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Originally posted by Annilator47:
i believe maybe 2 stations might have a facelift, 1 is Jurong East, another is BNV
BNV getting a new station with Circle and JUR got new platform. Can these counted as facelift?
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Originally posted by E5:
Uber modern? World class?
Singapore
Japan
Are we modern? Is it world class? Pictures not owned by me btw.
Is the train shown in Japan (Not the refurb C151) is the normal class or express class one (I.e: The usual or premium train one?)
How about using NEL one to compare?
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
BNV getting a new station with Circle and JUR got new platform. Can these counted as facelift?
well if you have seen Bishan station on the NSL and CCL, i could consider it a facelift, maybe you might have a chance for EW and CCL PYL too.i count it as a facelift cause for some cases, most of the interior has be revamped, and most of the CCL stations in these areas are merged with the existing line station thus making it look bigger.
i not quite sure on your POV of your version of facelift.
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Not good enough.
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Still can't compare with those that started 100 years ago.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
hello? Japan is the second richest nation in the world, to be overtaken by china shortly. Singapore is what sia lol. Japan can afford to spend on nice and technological trains and subway.
And if you calculate the average amount of money each people have over at China, are they still rich?
Population in China: About 1,200,000,000 or 1.2 billion
China's GDP: About $4,911,000,000,000 or $4.911 trillion
Per capita: $3,696Population in Japan: About 127,000,000 or 127 million
Japan's GDP: About $4,910,000,000,000 or $4.910 trillion
Per capita: $38,457Population in Singapore: About 4,900,000 or 4.9 million
Singapore's GDP: About $181,939,000,000 or $189.939 billion
Per capita: $38,972GDP is not an accurate gauge of a country's coffer due to the fact that each country differs from one to another in terms of land space, population and some other factor. Thus, per capita would be a better gauge to compare IMHO.
Originally posted by alstom metropolis:World class?What do you mean when most of our trains are made in japan,like the c151 and c751b trainsets.................................................................................................but there is still a lot of comparison between singapore and japan..
For your information, it's the local authorities that set the specifications of the train. Japan merely follows the specification as stipulated by the authorities in charge and built the trains accordingly. Even Alstom Metropolis and the upcoming Bombardier Movia also build their train according to the specifications stipulated.
Originally posted by mrtdude5:The MRT network is not exactly what I call world-class. Firstly, the infrastructure on the older lines is aging. The older stations, especially those on the west side, are really starting to show their age and out-of-date-ness. They could use a facelift.
However, I think the biggest two flaws on the MRT are its users and its frequency. I'm not saying that no one is kind on the MRT, but there could be a lot more. A flood of people age 60 - 70+ gets on a crowded train, and what does everyone do? Fall asleep, especially those in the priority seats. Yesterday, on my morning commute to school, a staff member on the eastbound Clementi platform needed to yell at someone sleeping and listening to deafening music in the priority seat to give it up to a pregnant woman carrying a decent amount of shopping. Some mode of awareness must be attempted that has a much more serious tone and better impact than their Courtesy Trains and PCK stickers.
The frequency on the MRT could see some MAJOR improvements. I missed a train on the way home a couple weeks ago and timed the wait till the next train with my watch. Nine minutes and 22 seconds is what I got, and the train that came, like all trains that I take at 3PM+, was no different than the one I took in the morning during peak hours in terms of how many people were inside. Increasing frequency will also reduce this crowd. There are always quite a number of trains idling in the depots - get them out and use them! Go to London, Hong Kong, Taipei, Bangkok, New York City, Seoul, Tokyo... I have personally been to all of those cities in the last five years and during off-peak hours, there were always seats on the trains, and with the exception of maybe London, the trains would arrive in five minutes or less. Taipei and Hong Kong have an average wait time of FOUR minutes during off-peak hours. Why can't Singapore?
Currently, our station exterior do not really need a liftover/renovation as it's there only to provide you with a few things:
- A shelter to cover you from sun and rain
- A place where you can board/alight the train
- A place where you can wait for trainImprovement really needed:
- Frequency of train (As mentioned by you)
- System overhaul/upgradeIt make no sense to have something look so elegant and fantastic but yet, it cannot perform/carry out it's functions efficiently and effectively.
By the way, the reason why some sections along the NSL has "not-so-good" frequency during peak hour is due to the "shuttle services". EWL IMHO not as bad as NSL.
Originally posted by Samuel Lee:Is the train shown in Japan (Not the refurb C151) is the normal class or express class one (I.e: The usual or premium train one?)
How about using NEL one to compare?
You don't have to pay extra to sit in that train. That train is belongs to the "normal class" (Like our 0, 200, 300, 8000 and 70000 series train). More picture below. Do note that you don't have to pay extra fares to sit in these train too. They too, belongs to the "normal class" train;
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Originally posted by E5:
You don't have to pay extra to sit in that train. That train is belongs to the "normal class" (Like our 0, 200, 300, 8000 and 70000 series train). More picture below. Do note that you don't have to pay extra fares to sit in these train too. They too, belongs to the "normal class" train;
Is seating guaranteed?
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Originally posted by Bus and Train LoVuR:
Is seating guaranteed?
Since this is the normal class train, seats are as usual, comes in a first come first serve basis, though there're priority seats as well. There're special case though for some trains.
Take for example, the first two picture i posted, which belongs to the Keikyu 2100 series. When running as Rapid Limited Express, all seats are free-for-all and standing permitted. But when running as the Keikyu Wing at evening peak hour, passengers taking the train will have to reserve a seat and pay an extra fee to board the train as;
- All seats are reserved (A seat is guaranteed for those who reserve first, though on a limited scale)
- Those without ticket are not allowed on board (Premium service as no standing is allowed)
- Train skip more station compared to Rapid Limited Express (Wing skips 30 stations compared to 9 stations on Rapid Limited Express from Shinagawa)Oh by the way, the train of the 3rd and 4th picture has a toilet. Again, no need to pay extra fares...
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Originally posted by E5:
Currently, our station exterior do not really need a liftover/renovation as it's there only to provide you with a few things:
- A shelter to cover you from sun and rain
- A place where you can board/alight the train
- A place where you can wait for trainImprovement really needed:
- Frequency of train (As mentioned by you)
- System overhaul/upgradeIt make no sense to have something look so elegant and fantastic but yet, it cannot perform/carry out it's functions efficiently and effectively.
By the way, the reason why some sections along the NSL has "not-so-good" frequency during peak hour is due to the "shuttle services". EWL IMHO not as bad as NSL.
I was doing my daily after-school commute from Commonwealth to Lakeside. I would have no idea what NSL is like now, because I don't live by it anymore, but I remember that it was usually at most seven minutes on weekdays, during off-peak hours, when they were still displaying wait times of over six minutes. Literally every time I take a train home or somewhere else from Commonwealth, the "Next Train" box on the RATIS is always blank once my train arrives. It seems like frequency has actually gotten worse instead of better...
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Today i'm damned pissed.. took a train from toa payoh.... den suddenly stopped at amk becoz got train fault???.... i had to wait for next train .. kaos... next train again terminate at yishun!!! Cannot believe this!!! Additional of 15-20 mins becoz of theses. FED UP!! Damn angry.......... Singapore train should increase in frequency during peak periods .. price high but waiting time still sucks. Shouldnt have issues of traffic jams , unless got ppl jump tracks again...
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I found the stations and trains horribly crowded when I was last back in SG in '08. Can't imagine it's gotten any better since then.
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Originally posted by mother-of-pearl:
Today i’m damned pissed.. took a train from toa payoh…. den suddenly stopped at amk becoz got train fault???.... i had to wait for next train .. kaos… next train again terminate at yishun!!!
Cannot believe this!!! Additional of 15-20 mins becoz of theses. FED UP!!
Damn angry….......Singapore train should increase in frequency during peak periods .. price high but waiting time still sucks.
Shouldnt have issues of traffic jams , unless got ppl jump tracks again…
Ok, everyone here knows that NSL got Yishun peak hour train.
Then there is a AMK thingy. No, this is not a train fault, but rather another "LTE" (Not a proper term, since the timing is not within weekdays, 12pm - 2pm that consituites a Lunch Time Express, LTE). I am not sure if Jurong East bound AMK train will return to Marina Bay (Just like LTE). However, I am sure that Marina Bay bound AMK train from Jurong East will terminate at AMK and the next stop is....... Bishan Depot. (I have tried this before and can attest it)
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Originally posted by mrtdude5:
I was doing my daily after-school commute from Commonwealth to Lakeside. I would have no idea what NSL is like now, because I don't live by it anymore, but I remember that it was usually at most seven minutes on weekdays, during off-peak hours, when they were still displaying wait times of over six minutes. Literally every time I take a train home or somewhere else from Commonwealth, the "Next Train" box on the RATIS is always blank once my train arrives. It seems like frequency has actually gotten worse instead of better...
No, it just that nowadays the RATIS has downgraded not to show trains within 12 minutes but 6 minutes only. (And typically off-peak next train is 7 mins)
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please remind women not to expect men to give seats...
women who has gained so much of equality through the govt favoritism...should expect themselves to give up seats and not look at men and expect its solely our responsibility to give up seats on mrt
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
No, it just that nowadays the RATIS has downgraded not to show trains within 12 minutes but 6 minutes only. (And typically off-peak next train is 7 mins)
I know how the RATIS works, but I honestly did time that train. It wasn't the first time I had to wait over seven minutes for a train on the EWL at around 3+ PM...
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Hope the timing change when the Kawasaki C151A come, "Next Train is 2min"
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Originally posted by c751bLoVuR:
Hope the timing change when the Kawasaki C151A come, "Next Train is 2min"
still long haha. anw got 1min next train, i see it everytime.
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Been awhile since I've been online...
I miss the days when train service was really a service, rather than a brand as it is now... When waiting times were naturally at most 5 minutes on NSL off-peak, unlike flaunting the fact about adding "really a lot of" trips to improve frequency now when something really wrong happened somewhere some time ago...
Those days were around 2001, + or - 1 year... before NEL started.
Those were the days when 7 minutes (or longer) waiting time most probably meant the train was delayed.