C151As to be automated is very low cause given that all train currently on service are driven by the TO thus to have it specially fully driveless will not be easy. This is include installing a new network system(communication with the train and the operator in the building).
What willis_chong said.
TOs are still needed in times of rain and construction sites near the tracks. If I'm not wrong, the TOs in the cab now during normal conditions are basically just sitting there and watching out for any form of problems that may arise.
Originally posted by ---Max---:Oh wow what a 'nice' quote young man.
I tot I had just mentioned that by 2017 43% or more of singaporean will be millionaire? ALL singaporean pays will rise from the economic push in china and india(projected india, they are catching up fast so buy their company stock when they are cheap now) unless they are bullied by their boss lar. And by 2017 Singapore population will be around 5 million, do you think that the same old 2 min frequency on NSL or EWL will work during even and morning peak? Surely it will require some upgrading. Fully automated will be very possible since government plan to be the first in SEA or maybe the whole asia to implentment the optical fibre network. So by that time singapore will be so advanced. The needies will get wat they need I can gurantee, unless they dunno how to seek for help lar or too greedy.
Our population now is already 4.8 million. Do you mean our population is gonna grow by only 200K in the next 8 years? The frequency now is 2 minutes and there's no trouble coping with the human traffic.
Stats show that 1.5 million people use the MRT everyday, which is one-third of the population. And by following this, we can estimate that an additional 66K people using the train when it reachs 5 million. Considering each train's capacity to be 1.5k people, that would take a total of 1000 train trips. And if you put that into context, we're just having another 66 people on each train and an average increase of less than 3 people at each door, so is there a need to increase frequency now? No. And not even in 2017 if the projected population is only 5 million.
Anyway, as the population increases in a few years time, 22 new C151As will be added.
Whether or not all the trains will become driverless, I think it is quite impossible.
I think C151A will not be automated.
Originally posted by Bus and Train LoVuR:I think C151A will not be automated.
it will not be automated. if it is automated, the signals and systems and all these and that need to be upgraded just for the automated trains. to think of the cost, is it feasible?
Just change signals & improve freq can liao... no nid fully auto.
Alot of people say, being a TO is like slacking inside! But the truth is, NO! You are so-called controlling the train too! All the passenger is in your hand, like those BC/SL do too, it carry more life than those public buses. Just to let you all know.
Anyway, how do SMRT recruit those TO's? Anyone know?
Originally posted by linwei20:Alot of people say, being a TO is like slacking inside! But the truth is, NO! You are so-called controlling the train too! All the passenger is in your hand, like those BC/SL do too, it carry more life than those public buses. Just to let you all know.
Anyway, how do SMRT recruit those TO's? Anyone know?
actually i once saw a TO playing on his PSP...
Well I think it is not right for them to do it, no matter how boring is the whole journey is, anyway I was wondering if the driver can itself switch onto CM mode just for fun?
Back to topic, well automating NSL & EWL can of course increase our frequency but than there is a cost, you need rain sensors, new signalling, new system and new trains (you want increase frequency need more train what, you can't expect 126 trains to do 90sec frequency on both lines which is impossible). The total cost would probably cost at 3/4 billion, considering that trains are not cheap. Than there is TO retrenchments which I think can be solved by asking them to become inspector, like those in SBS transit where they stay in a train and if the automatic system they take over. Last but not least, how are they going to upgrade the system without causing massive problems like, closed sections. Personally I do not know how well is SMRT good at shuttling but last I heard was very bad.
What is up with issue of retrenchment?
It is only natural for the company to go driverless if it means higher efficiency.
TOs can be retrained to do other duties in SMRT for eg; plenty of stations to be staffed on the CCL or on the existing EW and NS lines in case there is a need for manual overide or whatever you call it
Never will be automated..
Think abt driving in CM when its raining, or RM when there's a need too.
Furthermore, Singapore likes to think ahead, why didn't they think at first to have a automated NSL and EWL line before constructing it?
LoL, seriously I think this post is meaningless.. Why retrench TOs...hahahaha, TOs are in the cab, doing the doors opening and closing, respond to last minute notices, and driving the train manually..
OT but i would like to ask if any of you here can give input.
The dubai metro is set to be fully automated.
So how will it cope with the weather then?
i rather have semi-automatic systems than the automatic ones...anyway, there's no such thing as being truly automatic because humans are always watching over these automatons too
even the NEL should be considered semi-automatic; during rush hour, the train doors become remote controlled so as to make sure no trouble occurs (the staff controls the train in a way)
YES! how Dubai Metro cope with rainy season? i know dubai is very hot but surely got rain right...
They'll need a hell of a budget to overhaul the entire NSL/EWL to be fully automated and even that isn't really feasible as NSL/EWL weren't built to be automated to begin with. Also, imagine the time and the work needed to upgrade/replace the systems. Most of the equipments in SMRT right now are probably working as smooth as clockwork, and replacing something that's working fine isn't a great idea.
Originally posted by Pitot:OT but i would like to ask if any of you here can give input.
The dubai metro is set to be fully automated.
So how will it cope with the weather then?
There may be another configuration for driving the train in rainy weather. Or they might also have a driver on board to drive it then. (Notice the driver cab on both ends of the train)
i dunno what to say abt this.. but you guys, your imagination were just fetting too wild and far-fatched.. if singapore were to embark on this project.. how abt the rest of the world.... the senior engineers are just getting to tough working on it
and i got doubt that the C151As are going to be automated... if automated, the collosion will even be the worst case
if automated i think the TOs will be converted to CSO ..
but they will still control the train by manual in needed..
comeon folks..take a look at the system they run in circle line(it is a good balance IMHO)..mostly likely to be implemented should it be automated.
I heard that full automation was supposed to be on trial in 2005 (i heard it really really long ago when i was a kid say in the 90s) but after all the self-KO jumping ppl at elevated stations it became really difficult as our dear TOs have an extra jobscope of looking out for them.
Adding to that with full auto I doubt u can ever have a smooth 60sec freq cos the trains will obviously be fitted with min distance and since the trains cant bunch like they do now, no more 1min freq = commuters unhappy and deem the auto system a spectacular failure
and even more importantly, our dear TOs always look out for the chiong passengers who rather die than miss the train as they sprint to beat the closing doors. i bet ALOT and i mean ALOT of ppl will get caught on closing doors if trains become fully auto given the ultra high flow of commuters on NSL and EWL compared to NEL
On top of that the NSL and EWL systems will become much slower as there will be fixed timings for train doors to close and these times will have to be really long especially in city areas. I agree with "more accuracy" but inevitably the whole system will slow down.
if both lines were to go automated, then there will be more accidents, collisions and faults
Originally posted by Annilator47:if automated i think the TOs will be converted to CSO ..
but they will still control the train by manual in needed..
comeon folks..take a look at the system they run in circle line(it is a good balance IMHO)..mostly likely to be implemented should it be automated.
but like that, its like the current situation now. the TO is there and control the train by manual when its needed. but other times, its all in Auto..