"Increase frequency of trains on North-East Line"
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Hope they got back-up... if not one day this thing really happens then people will start complaining again.Originally posted by ^tamago^:cannot. u noe coded manual right? ATP works regardless of AM or CM.
if computer fails either the whole system paralyse or you can proceed at RM (<18km/h). 
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Of course they will have back ups. The companies always try to right the wrongs to minimise disruptions. Disruptions mean profit losses. Maybe what the commuters here need is for a string of breakdowns to happen so when it happens again they won't complain at all.
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can't la. it's like if a section of the tracks fail or gets cut off, no trains can pass through.Originally posted by Oceane:Hope they got back-up... if not one day this thing really happens then people will start complaining again. 
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I ever waited for 5 mins at 0730 weekdays befOriginally posted by Oceane:I'm neutral to any increase or decrease in frequencies, because the train eventually comes; a couple of minutes more don't hurt.
SMRT's peak frequencies are about 2.5 minutes (Actually between 1 to 4). -
how can trains have a 6min frequency during peak hours?
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actually EWL at least from pasir ris to boonlay, the frequency during peak is more like 3-4 mins. not 1-2, this is from experience taking the trains....Originally posted by DMC05:I think that people here might be expecting a lot since they are used to it. These people need a working vacation to other countries. While RpaidKL does an okay job with its train lines, let them try taking a line which is over capacity by 40% and has trains less than 50% the size of our MRT. When I was working there, there were times I needed to wait for 4 trains to pass before being able to board.
Singapore's transport services are good. They should appreciate what they have rather than finding fault with every single thing there is to nit-pick at. Granted, every system has things which can be improved on.
SMRT's peak-hour frequency is good at 1 to 2 minutes on the EWL. However, this is needed as by the time an eastbound train comes to Clementi, its quite packed with hardly any room to board unless people get off. To compare that to NEL, where it only seems to be impossible to board at Potong Pasir onwards, that's not that bad. At least Dover station opens on the side which is rarely used which helps with the traffic flow on board the train.
If more stations were built like Dover and Braddell, I think the flow of passengers might be better. With an island platform at each station, everyone crowds around the set of doors that will open.
I do think, however, that NEL frequencies would do better to be improved. Maybe for a start from 6 minutes to 4 at peak hours and gradually lowering it down to 3 or even 3 minutes. The system is capable of such as a family friend did say that LTA/SBS has tested the system at 2 minute frequencies. RapidKL operates their automated line at 90 second frequencies at times during peak hours.
Interior design has room for improvement on future rolling stock. I'm glad the new refurbished Rotem trains have a better design with the straps lining both rows of seats allowing at least two rows of people to hold onto something. Compared to the newest Kinki-Sharyo cars (the original Black rolling stock), they only have 6 straps in the middle of a row of seats. The older lines had at least 12. Having additional straps and poles does help when the trains are crowded.
A possibility to reducing crowds on lines in the future would be to build parallel lines as in New York. However, I don't think it is economically feasible for the moment. Hopefully the circle line helps when it opens, but for peak hours, I doubt it will as most people are headed to the CBD which the circle line orbits around and only enters once instead of cutting across it like the radial lines. -
Ask that to NELOriginally posted by stellazio:how can trains have a 6min frequency during peak hours?
To Oceane:
Regarding whether the system will fail, all I can say that when it fails, the whole system will be down. A good real-time system will have taken into account all sorts of possible problems.
If you say that the system might not be good enough, then SBS should further improve it. Yet if it is good enough, SBS could do better to improve the service and frequency. Either way, they still have lots to improve.
Talking about computer systems, SBS doesn't seem to trust it enough. It doesn't seem to be any more efficient; 1 staff is still required in every single train. Isn't that the same as SMRT, where 1 driver is required in every train? -
I've seen 2 mins intervals before, when I take from Outram Park to Clementi.Originally posted by hisoka:actually EWL at least from pasir ris to boonlay, the frequency during peak is more like 3-4 mins. not 1-2, this is from experience taking the trains.... -
There are no turnaround stops for the whole of EWL as far as I know so the trains just run full, therefore peak frequencies there are on an average of 3 to 3.5 minutes.Originally posted by hisoka:actually EWL at least from pasir ris to boonlay, the frequency during peak is more like 3-4 mins. not 1-2, this is from experience taking the trains.... -
I don't really quite see NEL staff on NEL trains when I take them... most usually they could be utilising the NEL to go home after a day's work?Originally posted by eagle:Ask that to NEL
To Oceane:
Regarding whether the system will fail, all I can say that when it fails, the whole system will be down. A good real-time system will have taken into account all sorts of possible problems.
If you say that the system might not be good enough, then SBS should further improve it. Yet if it is good enough, SBS could do better to improve the service and frequency. Either way, they still have lots to improve.
Talking about computer systems, SBS doesn't seem to trust it enough. It doesn't seem to be any more efficient; 1 staff is still required in every single train. Isn't that the same as SMRT, where 1 driver is required in every train? -
no they are definitely not going home if they are still using a walkie-talkie on the train?Originally posted by Oceane:I don't really quite see NEL staff on NEL trains when I take them... most usually they could be utilising the NEL to go home after a day's work?
and yea, each train nvr fail to have one of those 'little green men' on board. -
Yes. The improvement I see here is that EWL now have 3-4mins at 7am (previously 5-6½mins). 1-2mins usually occurs after 8am as more trains come in.Originally posted by hisoka:actually EWL at least from pasir ris to boonlay, the frequency during peak is more like 3-4 mins. not 1-2, this is from experience taking the trains....
1-2mins is more common along NSL. -
Eh... Can I add-on:Originally posted by ^tamago^:Yes. The improvement I see here is that EWL now have 3-4mins at 7am (previously 5-6½mins). 1-2mins usually occurs after 8am as more trains come in.
1-2mins is more common along NSL.
The NSL 1-2 min freq only applies to the MRB to YIS Sector, WDL got 5-7 min freq for the trains. EWL has demand at Aljuned, Boon Lay, Clementi, Buona Vista, Commonwealth, City Hall, Raffles Place, Tanjung Pagar, Bedok and Tanah Merah. Tanah MErah is added beacuse the demand was transported from Expo station.
Off Topic: Could SBST intro some new services at Changi Industrial Estate? -
Haha the ATP can be a life saver... (say, Clementi accident in 1993?)
Or maybe a pain in the ass... Well I wouldn't agree to the latter, but some of my friends would say 'heck' to safety, its up to their 'ass' to cover when an accident happens... -
today got 1-2 mins on EWL before 8am in town, apparently due to train bunching.
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Today on the NSL, PM 087 [211/212] was 4 minutes behind schedule.
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Its a NEL thingOriginally posted by stellazio:how can trains have a 6min frequency during peak hours?
I'm curious to know if NEL even has enough trains to run at intervals of 1.5-2 mins during off-peak... Their ratio of 25 trains to 15 stations is so much less compared to SMRT's 106 trains to 51 stations... Taking NEL upwards during peak hours is quite a nightmare...
To top that, even taking it between 10pm to 12am is even worse! The crowds are still quite insane even though its off-peak and an irritating fact is SBS switches off their station air-cons at like 10+ such that by 11pm getting off a train or waiting for 1 makes one feel extremely stale in the warm air, especially after a long day out.
I don't understand why so many people are complaining about SMRT frequencies when SBS ones are so much worse, given that they have successfully forced so many commuters to take NEL.