Guide for the following heroes..
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okay, thanks.Originally posted by Purplehaze623:i recomend radiance as the main item, get it once u have boots, ring of basilius and 2 bracers. farm ur heck b4 lvl 11 and own in mid game. it works.
i'll have to disagree on the basher is stupid with S&Y part. in most of the games i played, be it with friends or on Bnet, the normal thing one will do when they encounter LOA with his apotic shield up is either gang or run. so ya, if they run, the basher is a form of insurance for me to get a few more hits in. as mentioned, LOA's Third skill [ sword of frostmourne ] may be a good slow [50 - 70% ] but then again, it takes a while for this ability to manipulate this spell for full effect. you need at least 4- 6 hits for the guy to really slow and for your attack speed to jump so which is why i got S&Y [ attack speed boost ]Originally posted by Purplehaze623:bashers are stupid once u have S&Y. the miam + frost atk is enough for a good slow (their stacks add up to near 50-70% slow.), added 2 useless bashers are irrelevant. bashers stack diminishes, 2 adds up to a near 37% of bash. it'll be better to spend the 3k on something else, like a reaver for +25str.
early game LOA requires a wholesome harness of apotic shield to survive and harass. ur build has no mana addition or mana regen. u wont be able to survive a proper public game without a boots. with 300 base movement speed and removed s&y, lets see how a -allpicksamehero with LOA u can survive under my build...
no offence but that takes a bit long [ not to mention, abit on the expensive side? ] to farm? 2 bashers are like what, 7-8k? + hyperstone, another 2K+? i suck at farming so i don tink you'll see this as my bulid for LOA..Originally posted by forum_dude:WHEN U TYPE THIS POST, U DIDNT CARE TO READ OR EVEN THINK. DID I MENTION S&Y IN THIS BUILD? 2 BASHER+HYPERSTONE IS DEADLY AND U MAY SACRFICE A BASHER TO ADD A HOT. THERE IS ALREADY A SATANIC THAT ADDS EITHER 25OR30 STR, CANT REMEMBER. AND THERE IS THE BOT(BOOT OF TRAVEL), WONDER R U NOOB OR WHAT, THIS IS A FUC KING BOOT DAMNIT.
mind explaining?Originally posted by gLc:thats pure dumb.
anyway, thanks to all for helped us thus far, it's very much appreciated
another question of mine though; anyone here uses bloodseeker? any ideas for item/skill bulids? love this guy, his ulti spells death for any hero that blinks.. -
BLOODSEEKER IS NOW TWEAKED AND HIS BLOODRAGE IS DAMN GOOD. AUTO CAST WHEN ENEMY HP IS BELOW HALF AND I THINK YOUR MOVEMENT SPEED +44%. NVR PLAY HIM BUT MY FRIEND OWN WITH HIM. ADDITIONAL 44% MS IS NEARLY MAX SPEED(522) AND U R LIKE HAVING A HASTE.
HIS ITEM I SUGGEST GETTING RADIANCE, S&Y, BOT, HYPERSTONE, 2 BASHER. NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT HIS ITEM RECOMMENDATOIN BUT THIS IS QUITE A DECENT ITEM BUILD AS HE FARM QUITE SLOW I MUZ SAY BUT HEY, HE IS A HERO KILLER SO U MUZ AT LEAST GET 10 KILLS .... AND HE IS QUITE A SNEAKY HERO WITH HIS AUTO CAST BELOW HALF HP SKILL. WITH HIS ULTI, U CONFIRM CANNOT RUN IN EARLY-MID GAME. -
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i dont know what to say to your "i dont find meta usefull to me in anyways". its what makes him a true monster.Originally posted by boredandsleepy:the tb i used quite weird leh but still a managable 1.
i dont find meta usefull to me in anyways. the skills that i added are also odd. i add image and stats respectively and ulti when its available and maxing out image b4 stats. then will go for life drain.
as for items, i always go for PT, basher, sny, then another basher.
nvr tried eye in any of my games, myb tonite go back can try try.
usually will roam around enemy hero letting them hit me until my life left less than half or around 1/4 then use ulti then image and start wacking. making use of the basher effect to stop them from running away too much.
PT: increased attack speed does not carry over to images. boots of travel definitely...tb has no natural stun nor skills like blink
basher: again, images will not gain bash and will in fact impede the real tb's bash....the increased damage do not carry over to images. so wtf.
sny: it is a good item on tb.
dont bother using the "let them fuck me until 1/4 hp" tactic, usually an unexpected stun will appear before you manage to sunder.
just chiong old-school...meta conjure conjure and smash them. save sunder for until you are dying
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SUNDER IS NOT VERY GOOD LATE GAME WITH NAIX(BURIZA) OR PA AROUND. U THINK U CAN SUNDER BEFORE THEY HIT BUT U ALREADY DIE FROM THE MASSIVE CRIT THEY DEAL UOriginally posted by crimson soldier:dont bother using the "let them fuck me until 1/4 hp" tactic, usually an unexpected stun will appear before you manage to sunder.
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thanks for speaking up, and sry for mentioning smth wrong (S&Y in ur build)Originally posted by forum_dude:Y DUN U SAY YOUR BUILD. AT LEAST SOME OF HIS SENTENCES MAKE SOME SENSE
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Since ppl want me to explain. Ok here goes.Originally posted by Purplehaze623:bashers are stupid once u have S&Y. the miam + frost atk is enough for a good slow (their stacks add up to near 50-70% slow.), added 2 useless bashers are irrelevant. bashers stack diminishes, 2 adds up to a near 37% of bash. it'll be better to spend the 3k on something else, like a reaver for +25str.
early game LOA requires a wholesome harness of apotic shield to survive and harass. ur build has no mana addition or mana regen. u wont be able to survive a proper public game without a boots. with 300 base movement speed and removed s&y, lets see how a -allpicksamehero with LOA u can survive under my build...
With regards to that situation, using the same principles for heroes like Anti-Mage attacks fast and late game with his uber attack speed hes good enuf to finish off most spell casters or even heroes with BASH percentage but dont buy bashers to stack them up yet.
Now how bout Anti-Mage VS Pantom Assassin. Lets talk bout Late game.
Anti Mage
1)Treads
2)Butterfly
3)Cranium Basher
4)Cranium Basher
5)Cranium Basher
6)Hyperstone
The normal build or if dun wan basher can go burize also, but den again this is an example.
Phantom Assassin
1)Treads
2)Battlefury
3)Mkb
4)Butterfly
5)Aegis
6)Divine Rapier
Or can go SNY or whatever, den again its just a comparison built where we see the goodness of basher. All examples used are played in a real match where I was the AM, now the principles of bashing.
I jio-ed the Mortred to 1v1 at river late game, even though he Blink Strike me, I bashed him like siao till after the first whack, he cannot even attack me liao lor. Sometimes going for pure damage items would not work in the case of LOA, its the bash which stuns him and allow you to deal a greater amount of damage over time.
I do agree that its impt for LOA to have mana regen and mana addition to be allowed to do the massive harrassing and farming.
And also, " u wont be able to survive a proper public game without a boots. with 300 base movement speed and removed s&y, lets see how a -allpicksamehero with LOA u can survive under my build..." , Isnt that contradictory? If its -apsh, wouldnt it be dumb if u happy den take out boots and his sny? I think its good to concentrate on other factors and items than rather saying SNY and Boots are a NEED for LOA, although most ppl get them. I do too, but den again, other builds are always available and ppl will be here to disagree with me.
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Originally posted by gLc:
EITHER U R DUMB OR U R BLIND, I INCLUDE BOT IN MY BUILD AND BOT IS A FUC KING BOOTS OF TRAVEL. AND PURPLE SAYS BASHER IS NOT GD, I ALREADY INCLUDE HYPERSTONE AND WITH THE INCREASED ATTACK SPEED SKILL, HE CAN ALMOST ACHIEVE QUITE A HIGH % OF PERMA BASH
Since ppl want me to explain. Ok here goes.
With regards to that situation, using the same principles for heroes like Anti-Mage attacks fast and late game with his uber attack speed hes good enuf to finish off most spell casters or even heroes with BASH percentage but dont buy bashers to stack them up yet.
Now how bout Anti-Mage VS Pantom Assassin. Lets talk bout Late game.
[b]Anti Mage
1)Treads
2)Butterfly
3)Cranium Basher
4)Cranium Basher
5)Cranium Basher
6)Hyperstone
The normal build or if dun wan basher can go burize also, but den again this is an example.
Phantom Assassin
1)Treads
2)Battlefury
3)Mkb
4)Butterfly
5)Aegis
6)Divine Rapier
Or can go SNY or whatever, den again its just a comparison built where we see the goodness of basher. All examples used are played in a real match where I was the AM, now the principles of bashing.
I jio-ed the Mortred to 1v1 at river late game, even though he Blink Strike me, I bashed him like siao till after the first whack, he cannot even attack me liao lor. Sometimes going for pure damage items would not work in the case of LOA, its the bash which stuns him and allow you to deal a greater amount of damage over time.
I do agree that its impt for LOA to have mana regen and mana addition to be allowed to do the massive harrassing and farming.
And also, " u wont be able to survive a proper public game without a boots. with 300 base movement speed and removed s&y, lets see how a -allpicksamehero with LOA u can survive under my build..." , Isnt that contradictory? If its -apsh, wouldnt it be dumb if u happy den take out boots and his sny? I think its good to concentrate on other factors and items than rather saying SNY and Boots are a NEED for LOA, although most ppl get them. I do too, but den again, other builds are always available and ppl will be here to disagree with me.
Just my 2 cents. [/b] -
its the bash which stuns him and allow you to deal a greater amount of damage over time.Originally posted by forum_dude:EITHER U R DUMB OR U R BLIND, I INCLUDE BOT IN MY BUILD AND BOT IS A FUC KING BOOTS OF TRAVEL. AND PURPLE SAYS BASHER IS NOT GD, I ALREADY INCLUDE HYPERSTONE AND WITH THE INCREASED ATTACK SPEED SKILL, HE CAN ALMOST ACHIEVE QUITE A HIGH % OF PERMA BASH
I was arguing with him, not u -.- -
isnt that what im trying to emphasize and agreeing on?Originally posted by forum_dude:EITHER U R DUMB OR U R BLIND, I INCLUDE BOT IN MY BUILD AND BOT IS A FUC KING BOOTS OF TRAVEL. AND PURPLE SAYS BASHER IS NOT GD, I ALREADY INCLUDE HYPERSTONE AND WITH THE INCREASED ATTACK SPEED SKILL, HE CAN ALMOST ACHIEVE QUITE A HIGH % OF PERMA BASH -
Originally posted by gLc:
agree. another thing to consider is LOA's atk animation, even with high IAS, it doesnt seems to be faster than a anti-mage. he also has a weak agility growth, i haven try anything about it but will agi-stat items be better than hyperstone?
Since ppl want me to explain. Ok here goes.
With regards to that situation, using the same principles for heroes like Anti-Mage attacks fast and late game with his uber attack speed hes good enuf to finish off most spell casters or even heroes with BASH percentage but dont buy bashers to stack them up yet.
Now how bout Anti-Mage VS Pantom Assassin. Lets talk bout Late game.
[b]Anti Mage
1)Treads
2)Butterfly
3)Cranium Basher
4)Cranium Basher
5)Cranium Basher
6)Hyperstone
The normal build or if dun wan basher can go burize also, but den again this is an example.
Phantom Assassin
1)Treads
2)Battlefury
3)Mkb
4)Butterfly
5)Aegis
6)Divine Rapier
Or can go SNY or whatever, den again its just a comparison built where we see the goodness of basher. All examples used are played in a real match where I was the AM, now the principles of bashing.
I jio-ed the Mortred to 1v1 at river late game, even though he Blink Strike me, I bashed him like siao till after the first whack, he cannot even attack me liao lor. Sometimes going for pure damage items would not work in the case of LOA, its the bash which stuns him and allow you to deal a greater amount of damage over time.
I do agree that its impt for LOA to have mana regen and mana addition to be allowed to do the massive harrassing and farming.
And also, " u wont be able to survive a proper public game without a boots. with 300 base movement speed and removed s&y, lets see how a -allpicksamehero with LOA u can survive under my build..." , Isnt that contradictory? If its -apsh, wouldnt it be dumb if u happy den take out boots and his sny? I think its good to concentrate on other factors and items than rather saying SNY and Boots are a NEED for LOA, although most ppl get them. I do too, but den again, other builds are always available and ppl will be here to disagree with me.
Just my 2 cents. [/b] -
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lance learned so much frm me
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bs is so easy to use now that i can get more than 10 kills within 20mins. for sentinel, take mid or top lane, scourge take mid or btm lane. it's because u can spot those heroes farming neutral with less than half-life. then just run and kill. easy. build can anyhow, coz he's too easy to use. i buy dagon for better killing.Originally posted by forum_dude:BLOODSEEKER IS NOW TWEAKED AND HIS BLOODRAGE IS DAMN GOOD. AUTO CAST WHEN ENEMY HP IS BELOW HALF AND I THINK YOUR MOVEMENT SPEED +44%. NVR PLAY HIM BUT MY FRIEND OWN WITH HIM. ADDITIONAL 44% MS IS NEARLY MAX SPEED(522) AND U R LIKE HAVING A HASTE.
HIS ITEM I SUGGEST GETTING RADIANCE, S&Y, BOT, HYPERSTONE, 2 BASHER. NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT HIS ITEM RECOMMENDATOIN BUT THIS IS QUITE A DECENT ITEM BUILD AS HE FARM QUITE SLOW I MUZ SAY BUT HEY, HE IS A HERO KILLER SO U MUZ AT LEAST GET 10 KILLS .... AND HE IS QUITE A SNEAKY HERO WITH HIS AUTO CAST BELOW HALF HP SKILL. WITH HIS ULTI, U CONFIRM CANNOT RUN IN EARLY-MID GAME. -
YA LO, BUT IT IS OSO QUITE UNDERUSED COZ NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO USE HIM EFFECTIVELYOriginally posted by skyfoo:bs is so easy to use now that i can get more than 10 kills within 20mins. for sentinel, take mid or top lane, scourge take mid or btm lane. it's because u can spot those heroes farming neutral with less than half-life. then just run and kill. easy. build can anyhow, coz he's too easy to use. i buy dagon for better killing. -
Lina
Treads/BoT
Guinsoo
Deso/Skadi + S&Y
---Anything you want---
Phantom Assasin
Treads
Satanic
Aegis
Rapier
Rapier
Rapier
TerrorBlade
Treads
S&Y
Butterfly
Skadi
MKB
Buriza
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F UCK OFF, THIS BUILD IS STRICTLY FOR 1V5 AI ONLY.Originally posted by JennTS:Lina
Treads/BoT
Guinsoo
Deso/Skadi + S&Y
---Anything you want---
Phantom Assasin
Treads
Satanic
Aegis
Rapier
Rapier
Rapier
TerrorBlade
Treads
S&Y
Butterfly
Skadi
MKB
Buriza
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Originally posted by JennTS:Lina
Treads/BoT
Guinsoo
Deso/Skadi + S&Y
---Anything you want---
are u sure bout the deso/skadi? o.O
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Originally posted by gLc:
spec is a waste of money if u had alr gotten guinsoo. lina is good in being a caster early game but ineffective in late game. thus, u need decent weapons for late game for her, not int items.
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are u sure bout the deso/skadi? o.O
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AGHANIM IS FEASIBLE FOR LINA TOO BUT I WONT WASTE MY MONEY ON A ITEM THAT ONLY ADD HP/MANA AND INCREASE DMG OF ULTI BY ABIT... I RATHER GO TELE DAGGER, BURIZA, SKADI, GUINSOO, BOT AND HYPERSTONE FOR IT
SHE GOT A SKILL CALL ULTIMATE WHICH INCRASE HER ATTACK BY ALOT, CAN BE LATE GAMER -
na i differ. guinsoo only last how long, u want to whack for how long? i would rather spend the money to increase ure hp/mana and laguna blade dmg. Even let u guinsoo a str hero, after guinsoo he rape u liao lor, u still wanna whack?Originally posted by skyfoo:spec is a waste of money if u had alr gotten guinsoo. lina is good in being a caster early game but ineffective in late game. thus, u need decent weapons for late game for her, not int items.
Play against RK,TIde, see they whack u to death or u whack them to death.. -
1) Luna MoonFang
2) Slayer
3) Lich
4) Terrorblade
Very Happy
luna build
2x Null,Power Threads,Lothars Edge,Butterfly
slayer build
2x Null,Dagger of Escape,Boots of speed,Agahnim Staff,Guinsoo
lich
Mekasm,Boots of Speed,Agahnim Staff,Guinsoo
terrorblade build
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STUN+ GUINSOO IS ENUFF TO LET U ESCAPE FROM THESE HEROES. A STUN WONT LAST LONG IF AN RK HAS MOM, IF HE IS DUMB TO WASTE MONEY ON MOMOriginally posted by gLc:na i differ. guinsoo only last how long, u want to whack for how long? i would rather spend the money to increase ure hp/mana and laguna blade dmg. Even let u guinsoo a str hero, after guinsoo he rape u liao lor, u still wanna whack?
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hmmm. eh. again, plenty of thanks to those who has contributed in one way or another. anyway. anyone here uses spectre? everyone i know says it's quite a smelly hero but who cares. any ideas for item/skill bulids?
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come on la, u lina want to solo meh? hex 3s is enuff for ur team to gang a pro. and if vs a str hero, one-on-one, with guinsoo or spec also lose. but with spec, u might got more hp and mana, but got use? can help u escape? with guinsoo, u got 3s hex and u can run for 3s. and only a few heroes can outrun u lagging 3s. why so dumb hex liao still go whack? like u say play against rk and tide, u got spector got what use? stun, dragon whack and ult? u think they will die izzit? dream on la. and do u know why lina has her first skill for? it's for late game. the IAS is extremely useful if u get a skadi. fast AS + slow is terrifying. in addition, ur hex will be useful for even more hits. and last thing, have u seen a pro int hero with only int items in late game?Originally posted by gLc:na i differ. guinsoo only last how long, u want to whack for how long? i would rather spend the money to increase ure hp/mana and laguna blade dmg. Even let u guinsoo a str hero, after guinsoo he rape u liao lor, u still wanna whack?
Play against RK,TIde, see they whack u to death or u whack them to death.. -
for me, s&y is the basic item and build ur items according to ur needs after that.Originally posted by Lance_han:hmmm. eh. again, plenty of thanks to those who has contributed in one way or another. anyway. anyone here uses spectre? everyone i know says it's quite a smelly hero but who cares. any ideas for item/skill bulids?