Driverless taxis going to roll out in Japan 5 years later
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What could Singaporeans do if more Singaporeans are retrenched and 55,000 purely Singaporean taxi drivers jobs are lost?
Get Changi Airport to create 55,000 vacancies for trolley pushers and taxi marshalls.
Can driverless cars deal with fare evaders?
They can use the same system as in public buses, a device to tap their EZ link cards upon boarding and tap again when alighting. If pax does not tap when alighting then they can program it to deduct $100 flat fare. Govt not stupid. They know what to do.
Also most likely these taxis will operate within CBD area so can have fixed stop areas at CBD taxi stands. Passengers will board or alight at these taxi stands. To generate business they may exempt driverless taxis from paying ERP, just like public buses. If govt wants to push something through, they will use any and every means to do it, even if it means resorting to dirty tricks.And no prizes guessing who will be the operators of these taxis.
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Originally posted by Taxilim88:
Can driverless cars deal with fare evaders? No [Driverless cars no cash payments. All through credid cards lah like Uber. Alamak]. We Singaporeans prefer to handle using cash. Our system (which is not foreign Uber system) does not allow us to know before hand how much the cost is. A person could easilly exit the taxi without paying.
OMG, you never heard of cashless payment? Never heard of credit cards, Apple pay?Masterpass? Are you even a taxi driver? Even bowah's bak bak oso cashless liao..
Who are the people who likes to use credit cards? Mostly foreigners
What percentage of your daily collection comes from credit cards? Probably at most 30-40% on a high day.
Why Singaporeans do not like to use credit cards? Because must pay more.
Anyway, what I was saying is a customer could just take a taxi, not pay and get out of the taxi.
Also, remember not all people have credit cards and nets cards although most would have ez-link cards.
You are begining to think more like Uber people. Is anyone paying you to speak for driverless cars or did anyone offer you any benefit since you are supposed to be on taxi-drivers side.
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Originally posted by Jason65:
What could Singaporeans do if more Singaporeans are retrenched and 55,000 purely Singaporean taxi drivers jobs are lost?
Get Changi Airport to create 55,000 vacancies for trolley pushers and taxi marshalls.
Can driverless cars deal with fare evaders?
They can use the same system as in public buses, a device to tap their EZ link cards upon boarding and tap again when alighting. If pax does not tap when alighting then they can program it to deduct $100 flat fare. Govt not stupid. They know what to do.
Also most likely these taxis will operate within CBD area so can have fixed stop areas at CBD taxi stands. Passengers will board or alight at these taxi stands. To generate business they may exempt driverless taxis from paying ERP, just like public buses. If govt wants to push something through, they will use any and every means to do it, even if it means resorting to dirty tricks.And no prizes guessing who will be the operators of these taxis.
>What could Singaporeans do if more Singaporeans are retrenched and 55,000 purely Singaporean taxi drivers jobs are lost?
>Get Changi Airport to create 55,000 vacancies for trolley pushers and taxi marshalls.
Is it Changi Airport that is going to cause the loss? No .... so is this their problem? No.
Anyway, Changi Airport has enough trolley pushers and taxi marshalls.
>Can driverless cars deal with fare evaders?
They can use the same system as in public buses, a device to tap their EZ link cards upon boarding and tap again when alighting. If pax does not tap when alighting then they can program it to deduct $100 flat fare. Govt not stupid. They know what to do.
You are wrong again.... all taxi operators are private companies so not government's problem. Also most customers prefer CASH payments (don't have to argue over this...just go through your past 1 year's daily taxi income statements to refresh your memory).
>Also most likely these taxis will operate within CBD area so can have fixed stop areas at CBD taxi stands. Passengers will board or alight at these taxi stands. To generate business they may exempt driverless taxis from paying ERP, just like public buses. If govt wants to push something through, they will use any and every means to do it, even if it means resorting to dirty tricks.And no prizes guessing who will be the operators of these taxis.
Who are the real people pushing for driverless taxis? Foreigners and people they approached as well as small amount of people in research institutions.
Taxi stopping is not limited to just CBD. Anywhere....multi-level carparks, multi-level factories, private estate compounds, anywhere on the roadside, anywhere in the carparks, anywhere in the private estates, any unit at any level of multi-story factory buildings, anywhere at any education institutions' campuses and many other places.
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i will mention another problem that driverless cars has that could easilly cause traffic congessions on all non-expressway roads.
If someone flags the taxi, then don't board it but opens the door, the driverless taxi is stuck there and would cause huge traffic congessions or blockages.
I know you will say get automatic closing doors but do you know how much additional cost it is going to add to the cost of the cars?
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So the bottomline is still "let them implement in their countries successfully first before we decide whether to implement driverless cars".
Afterall it is them that manufacture the cars (or are the owners of the car companies) and it is them that may really need driverless cars because their taxi fares are too expensive.
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I know you guys would be retired by then so you guys do not care whether got driverless taxis or not but think of other Singaporeans that need taxi driving as a job.
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I am on the drivers' side. But just letting you know there are ways to prevent pax from not paying fare. They can design that the taxi will not move until the pax tap the EZ link card or whatever card. So chances of pax running away without paying will not happen. Like bowah has mentioned, we have to be realistic and not just paint a picture in our favour.
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Originally posted by Neutral-Thinker:
Who are the people who likes to use credit cards? Mostly foreigners
What percentage of your daily collection comes from credit cards? Probably at most 30-40% on a high day.
Why Singaporeans do not like to use credit cards? Because must pay more.
Anyway, what I was saying is a customer could just take a taxi, not pay and get out of the taxi.
Also, remember not all people have credit cards and nets cards although most would have ez-link cards.
You are begining to think more like Uber people. Is anyone paying you to speak for driverless cars or did anyone offer you any benefit since you are supposed to be on taxi-drivers side.
Aiyah, credit card is just one form of cashless payment. You have nets, masterpass and now apple pay. Driverless taxis if implemented will not do street hail one lah. All will be through bookings. So pax who want to use driverless taxis will pre-register their credit card, atm card whatever. It is an easy problem to overcome to avoid fare evasion.
No, I am not for uber or anyone. Like you, I am just trying to find ways that driverless cars cannot be used as taxis. But those points you mentioned are easily resolved. The only issue I can think of is the issue of liability in accident cases.
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Driverless car also need maintenance, servicing, programming, and so on,...and down the value chain, it created better paid and better skill jobs, like service center, better road leading to more road work, GPS pods control, marshals and station orderly. For a start, it will be in parks, university and some other recreation places like GBTB and MBS. Then it will slowly move into heartland and expressway. Companies that operate driverless shall be responsible for it insurance and pax safety. We as older singaporeans should not be so selfish to prevent new technology and innovation for our younger generation future jobs, therefore, we cannot keep thinking abt driving taxis forever, a responsible human/citizen is one who care for the family, the nation and also the future succession of people. That is truly a hero. But too bad, hero die first... Our forefather worked hard and bear the changes to provided a better life for our father, and our father also worked hard and go with the changes to provide a better life for us. If we are to neglect and stubbornly prevent changes in the way we travel and work just because of our selfishness of the present, then, we are doing no flavor to our next generation. Be enlighten so as to inspire others
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Originally posted by Jason65:
I am on the drivers' side. But just letting you know there are ways to prevent pax from not paying fare. They can design that the taxi will not move until the pax tap the EZ link card or whatever card. So chances of pax running away without paying will not happen. Like bowah has mentioned, we have to be realistic and not just paint a picture in our favour.
I already see it as not being able to meet so many requirements I already mentioned. Remember, there are other requirements that I have not mentioned.
For instance, when driverless cars enter carparks of condos with security features that disallow communications signals ( probably an anti-terrorism mechaism ). The mobile phone, MDT, cashless machine and most likely GPS signals would be totally lost. When you bundle it with "customer did not close the door properly", the car would be totally trapped as it has no way of telling whether it was totally open or partially open.
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Originally posted by bowah:
Driverless car also need maintenance, servicing, programming, and so on,...and down the value chain, it created better paid and better skill jobs, like service center, better road leading to more road work, GPS pods control, marshals and station orderly.
For a start, it will be in parks, university and some other recreation places like GBTB and MBS. Then it will slowly move into heartland and expressway.
Companies that operate driverless shall be responsible for it insurance and pax safety.
We as older singaporeans should not be so selfish to prevent new technology and innovation for our younger generation future jobs, therefore, we cannot keep thinking abt driving taxis forever, a responsible human/citizen is one who care for the family, the nation and also the future succession of people.
That is truly a hero. But too bad, hero die first…
Our forefather worked hard and bear the changes to provided a better life for our father, and our father also worked hard and go with the changes to provide a better life for us.
If we are to neglect and stubbornly prevent changes in the way we travel and work just because of our selfishness of the present, then, we are doing no flavor to our next generation.
Be enlighten so as to inspire others
We can survive without a single driverless taxis in Singapore unlike our manufacturing factories that cannot survive without robots.
Who is being selfish? The people who want to eliminate 55,000 Singaporean jobs (without providing a real replacement solution) or the potential victims? How many new driverless car jobs (for Singaporeans in Singapore) would be created and how many old Singaporean jobs would be lost? I am speaking not only for myself but also for other Singaporeans that need taxi driving as main and backup job. What happens when the very limited number of Singaporean driverless cars researchers in Singapore lose their jobs? We welcome them to join us as taxi drivers together with people in other industries that gets retrenched (provided they already are experienced car drivers and could pass the taxi exams).
I currently see it as eliminating a ratio of 100 jobs but only creating a ratio of only 1-10 additional jobs.
Also remember this fact, the taxi course is always fully filled and the waiting queue is around 1 month's long. So this job is a job that a lot of Singaporeans want to do (and the country has a real demand for it and it is self-sustaining without the government having to pump in any money for it and the government collects a lot of GST from it) ......so do we want to eliminate it?
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NT, I have read your post on all the negatives in having autonomous taxis. I do not disagree with you. All I had done was to highlight a couple of items to which there are possible solutions. But by bringing it up, you are only highlighting these weaknesses to the powers that be that intend to bring in these cabs.They will just send those problems to the manufacturers and tell them to do someting to fix all of them before these vehicles can be found acceptable on Sg roads. After which, one of 3 things can happen:
1. They go back to the drawing board and try to solve all of the problems mentioned.
2. They decide that it is not possible to fix them all, but they can fix enough of those problems to pass them as privately owned vehicles, but not as taxis.
3. They can produce taxis with limited capabilities, but we will still rely on normal taxis operated by humans, whicj means our jobs are not under threat of being snatched.
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If driverless cars is your nightmare, think again.
I give u an example from the sewing industry. In the past, clothes were hand-made. Nowadays most tailors made custom suits for customers. Cost more but made to measure.
Almost all our daily wear items like lingerie, underwear, socks, gloves, singlets, running attire are entirely machine made. Its a good thing - volume production plus high quality work.
Industrial sewing machines however, are not good for made to measure haute couture - high fashion.
Ditto for hair stylists. Their jobs will never go away. I dont dare to sit under a robot holding scissors and shavers. Do you dare? What if it cut away too much hair? Or worse cut off some body part by accident?
So it is about reinventing the taxi trade. You must see open...
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Now where is that POSB girl of the 70s, she keep telling me to buy stamp and paste and when the whole card was full, you can pass it to her when she come around next month, she will save for you +0.10cents extra, that is how we learn saving with POSB. That time, work as bank teller's lady sebei saki one, very atas, same like SIA stewardess, consider very beautiful, sexy and yet, capable. Most will marry big bosses...limpek also no chance, today, what is bank tellers??? ATM lor. What is SIA stewardess? mid air maid cum toilet cleaner lor. My father told me to learn to repair TV, dial telephone, said learn driving is useless... heng I never follow, arbo...now can sit at waterloo street asking pple to buy tissue liao.
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Originally posted by bowah:
Now where is that POSB girl of the 70s, she keep telling me to buy stamp and paste and when the whole card was full, you can pass it to her when she come around next month, she will save for you +0.10cents extra, that is how we learn saving with POSB.
That time, work as bank teller’s lady sebei saki one, very atas, same like SIA stewardess, consider very beautiful, sexy and yet, capable. Most will marry big bosses…limpek also no chance, today, what is bank tellers??? ATM lor. What is SIA stewardess? mid air maid cum toilet cleaner lor.
My father told me to learn to repair TV, dial telephone, said learn driving is useless… heng I never follow, arbo…now can sit at waterloo street asking pple to buy tissue liao.
Alamak, learn driving now still peng steering, simi heng? If you listen to your lau peh and learn to repair TV and air con, now you boss of Gain City liao.
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Bo pao lah, we tends to see bosses, never see the coolies mah, and there is only 1 boss in each company like gain city, rest are coolies, either ah huay, ah lian or ah Robert standing for 8 to 10 hrs telling you cheap cheap cheap but actually also dunno what the product is about.. 10000 repair men, maybe only one become boss, but tia kong gain city boss got 1 wife and 3 mistress, TC boss got 1 wife and 2 mistress....lots of problem, now walk also bo lat liao.,..siao eh..we all better, every now and then go find new bak bak...every month 1 new mistress...better than them, fighting here and there...
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Originally posted by bowah:
Bo pao lah, we tends to see bosses, never see the coolies mah, and there is only 1 boss in each company like gain city, rest are coolies, either ah huay, ah lian or ah Robert standing for 8 to 10 hrs telling you cheap cheap cheap but actually also dunno what the product is about..
10000 repair men, maybe only one become boss, but tia kong gain city boss got 1 wife and 3 mistress, TC boss got 1 wife and 2 mistress….lots of problem, now walk also bo lat liao.,..siao eh..we all better, every now and then go find new bak bak…every month 1 new mistress…better than them, fighting here and there…
Some Singaporeans and FT's standard is everyday 1 new 1-2 hrs girlfriend.
However there are some super loyal guys find prostitute in Geylang also go back to the same lady everytime.
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Originally posted by f1taxidriver:
If driverless cars is your nightmare, think again.
I give u an example from the sewing industry. In the past, clothes were hand-made. Nowadays most tailors made custom suits for customers. Cost more but made to measure.
Almost all our daily wear items like lingerie, underwear, socks, gloves, singlets, running attire are entirely machine made. Its a good thing - volume production plus high quality work.
Industrial sewing machines however, are not good for made to measure haute couture - high fashion.
Ditto for hair stylists. Their jobs will never go away. I dont dare to sit under a robot holding scissors and shavers. Do you dare? What if it cut away too much hair? Or worse cut off some body part by accident?
So it is about reinventing the taxi trade. You must see open...
Right but I have been saying is we do not decide to introduce them to our market until we have seen the technology being perfected in other countries and seen the social impacts on their society (meaning the real car manufacturing or designing countries) before we decide whether to implement in our own country.
Remember those real car manufacturing / designing countries are the countries that need driverless cars as their taxi fares are super expensive. See here ( http://www.priceoftravel.com/555/world-taxi-prices-what-a-3-kilometer-ride-costs-in-72-big-cities/ ). As a developed country, we taxi fares are considered cheap ( of course we do not compare with third world cities like Delhi India as we do not want to drop to third world's standard ) .
If you speak about robots cutting hairs. In the first place do we need to eliminate human barbers in Singapore? No. Can we survive without robotic barbers? Yes. If human barber too expensive? No. Are robotic barbers reliable? No. Can robotic barbers meet all requirements? No. Who benefits most from robotic barbers? Foreigers (since they manufacture the robots). Who loses? Singaporeans. So do we want to introduce them? NO. What is the worst case scenario if we do not introduce RB ? Singaporeans say barber prices in Singapore too expensive and goes to JB to cut.
However in the case of manufacturing whereby we are really no longer competitive. If we only rely on manual human labour and not use robots, our products would be too expensive and uncompetitive and therefore there would not be a demand overseas.
However for our taxi driving, there is no real overseas market. If however Comfort also operates taxis outside Singapore, then they only introduce driverless taxis in those countries that really needs driverless taxis. Almost no developed world countries people is going to tell you that our taxi fares too expensive. If 3rd world people find our taxi fares are too expensive, they can always walk, take bus or take LRT/MRT.
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errr....just asking. Was the driverless trains tested in other countries? Also if you are up to date with the news, 2000 charging points will be installed all over the island to cater for electric cars. Why do you think they are doing this?
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One thing definitely not mentioned to readers of articles is driverless cars makes it easier for terrorists to plant bombs to perform terrorist activities.
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Unfortunately, some authorities are sponsoring MIT people to make 55,000 jobless and putting Singaporeans in jeapody by testing on our more busy than US roads ( https://sg.news.yahoo.com/comment-driverless-cars-robots-are-coming-to-070222477.html ). The article also never mentioned that those test driverless cars have not been tested at above 40 km/h on US roads.
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Originally posted by Jason65:
errr....just asking. Was the driverless trains tested in other countries? Also if you are up to date with the news, 2000 charging points will be installed all over the island to cater for electric cars. Why do you think they are doing this?
Maybe you could enlighten us why they installed 2000 charging points all over the island.
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Read the article on the link which you posted again until you figure it out.
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Aiya, dun argue for the sake of arguing lah, by the time driverless is around, we all could either be at some old folk homes talking cock and sing song, and some will be at mandai, kong meng shan, lim chu kang... Quote "However there are some super loyal guys find prostitute in Geylang also go back to the same lady everytime." by NT Finding prostitute is like finding a good wife, once you hit a good service one, guai guai one and very friendly type, whatever patterns she also can type...you will tends to go back to patronize her mah, once the trust is there, it is easy, like me, I just call her, she wait there already, no need to walk from lorongs to lorongs until leg also pain
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Originally posted by Jason65:
Read the article on the link which you posted again until you figure it out.
Would be nicer if you are more direct rather than beat around the bush as most contributors here "talk directly".