Driverless taxis going to roll out in Japan 5 years later
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Originally posted by bowah:
Bo bian mah, now many old uncles like me, drive less, childrens give allowances, somemore can buy high tech tabs for us to go toilet and post, slowly type and post lor.
Let them said what they want to say lah, afterall, mostly shit talking only aka kopitiam talk, can talk until 2 old uncles want to fight one hor..lau hero lor.
All TCSS only lah, you think govt listen ar?? lanjiao lah, 70% vote for them liao, they listen to you for fark, LTA answer to the public, not taxi driver, taxi companies answer to shareholders, not taxi driver, and then, paxs like you answer to their bosses, not taxi drivers, so in the end, no bother care about taxis drivers, you are on your own…got pay rental, call you Uncle, kiam rental that time..Hello..Mister
55,000 taxi drivers plus their wife and 2 kids = 220,000 people affected... this is almost 10% of voters. If add those affected when more manufacturing jobs shift to 3rd world countries, it would be around 15%. So 70% can drop to 55%.
Government job is to ensure more Singaporeans got jobs....otherwise their would be more crimes and political instability.
Minister salary : Singapore higher than other developed countries
Ordinary job salary: Singapore among the lowest by developed countries' standard
Hotel rates: Singapore same as other developed countries
Housing rate: Singapore comparable with other developed countries
Taxi fare: Singapore 1/4 to 1/2 of other developed countries.
Big Mac price: Singapore average among developed countries.
Beer prices: Singapore among the highest in the world.
Car prices: Singapore highest in the world
Ordinary non-resturant meal: Singapore about lowest by developed countries' standard
So lowering which item would make voters really happy?
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Japan got aging society. More people dying and not enough babies to replace. So having driverless taxi helps them. Singapore like to import ft, if driverless taxi comes, i also happy because pap will lose many votes.
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Originally posted by f1taxidriver:
Japan got aging society. More people dying and not enough babies to replace. So having driverless taxi helps them.
Singapore like to import ft, if driverless taxi comes, i also happy because pap will lose many votes.
You mean in the past the gahment or the automobile companies got 'lose out' when steam cars was replaced by petrol-run vehicle or trishaw replaced by scooter/motorcycle? And vehicle like above will definitely stay when oil run out in 50 years as some scientist claimed?
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Originally posted by Keepthechange666:
Wu la, our ex-chief time, many cum here look see, look see......
Today taxi industry becum like that, he play a big part hor......
He got play meh..he was the director at that time leh -
Originally posted by Neutral-Thinker:
55,000 taxi drivers plus their wife and 2 kids = 220,000 people affected... this is almost 10% of voters. If add those affected when more manufacturing jobs shift to 3rd world countries, it would be around 15%. So 70% can drop to 55%.
Government job is to ensure more Singaporeans got jobs....otherwise their would be more crimes and political instability.
Minister salary : Singapore higher than other developed countries
Ordinary job salary: Singapore among the lowest by developed countries' standard
Hotel rates: Singapore same as other developed countries
Housing rate: Singapore comparable with other developed countries
Taxi fare: Singapore 1/4 to 1/2 of other developed countries.
Big Mac price: Singapore average among developed countries.
Beer prices: Singapore among the highest in the world.
Car prices: Singapore highest in the world
Ordinary non-resturant meal: Singapore about lowest by developed countries' standard
So lowering which item would make voters really happy?
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Therefore, in a resouceless state, we need to innovate fast and attract high technology industrial, from biochemical to pharmaceutical to multi media to services like MBS, hotels, and a more automate and advance system in airports and our sea ports. Singapore unemployment rate is among the lowest in the world, in fact, we hv many vacancies in services and engineering today. The technology we embrace will be more for productivity, which is lacking in recent years, so the do it yourself will soon become more and more realistic thru innovation and creativity. Driverless cars will also create many job, road will hv to be readjust, redesign, cars parts will need to be manufacture, supply and maintainence will be needed, so are the regulations and so on,...it will create jobs, but a higher value job. If you keep driving taxis, and eveyone also can drive and will drive leading to higher competition from all angles, apps to sharing to private to other taxi drivers to even pte car on the road (as more buy, less pax). Then how you expect yr income to go up, same skill, nothing change, only inflation rate will make your flag down fare go up, but never the real income. Therefore, you need to innovate, dun keep depending on govt or mp to guide you, like me, I go for Casket driving.
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Originally posted by bowah:
Therefore, in a resouceless state, we need to innovate fast and attract high technology industrial, from biochemical to pharmaceutical to multi media to services like MBS, hotels, and a more automate and advance system in airports and our sea ports.
Singapore unemployment rate is among the lowest in the world, in fact, we hv many vacancies in services and engineering today. The technology we embrace will be more for productivity, which is lacking in recent years, so the do it yourself will soon become more and more realistic thru innovation and creativity.
Driverless cars will also create many job, road will hv to be readjust, redesign, cars parts will need to be manufacture, supply and maintainence will be needed, so are the regulations and so on,...it will create jobs, but a higher value job.
If you keep driving taxis, and eveyone also can drive and will drive leading to higher competition from all angles, apps to sharing to private to other taxi drivers to even pte car on the road (as more buy, less pax). Then how you expect yr income to go up, same skill, nothing change, only inflation rate will make your flag down fare go up, but never the real income.
Therefore, you need to innovate, dun keep depending on govt or mp to guide you, like me, I go for Casket driving.
Driverless cars also means casket driving would be replaced...only need to program to drive slower. What I am saying is we only go driverless if can really generate equal no of same or better jobs and not eliminate jobs which we could preserve.
You see Coke factory also automated but must shift away.. Many years ago Western Digital already shifted away. Seagate maintain some plants in Singapore only because government stepped in to lower their operating cost.
We can don't have driverless taxis as our taxi fare is relatively cheap compared to other developed countries and we can keep foreigners (only those with Singapore citizenship by birth or converted can drive) out and driverless cars out. We don't have to downgrade to non-developed world standards . However if our new drivers depend on GPS, someone would say even taxi drivers depend on Googlemap GPS and use it as an excuse to eliminate us.
I really cannot foresee how additional 55000 jobs could be generated with introduction of driverless taxis.
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It can be impossible to plan for the future. How bright the future seems is all up in your head and how you choose to perceive it.
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Originally posted by f1taxidriver:
Japan got aging society. More people dying and not enough babies to replace. So having driverless taxi helps them.
Singapore like to import ft, if driverless taxi comes, i also happy because pap will lose many votes.
My understanding is people have been saying Japanese taxi fare is too high..... and they have more taxis than needed ( http://blog.japantimes.co.jp/yen-for-living/pity-the-driver-cabbie-salaries-much-lower-than-average/ ). Their taxi fare is 4 times ours but their cabbies make less money than us (especially after tax. 3 million yen per year is S$34675.57 per year). This is despite us having the highest cost of puting vechiles on roads due to high vechile tax and COE. Something is not right with their system.
Also if driverless cars replace human drivers, then 375600 Japanese taxi drivers (not including their family members) would end up like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaxgmmjNrpA
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Originally posted by Neutral-Thinker:
Driverless cars also means casket driving would be replaced...only need to program to drive slower. What I am saying is we only go driverless if can really generate equal no of same or better jobs and not eliminate jobs which we could preserve.
You see Coke factory also automated but must shift away.. Many years ago Western Digital already shifted away. Seagate maintain some plants in Singapore only because government stepped in to lower their operating cost.
We can don't have driverless taxis as our taxi fare is relatively cheap compared to other developed countries and we can keep foreigners (only those with Singapore citizenship by birth or converted can drive) out and driverless cars out. We don't have to downgrade to non-developed world standards . However if our new drivers depend on GPS, someone would say even taxi drivers depend on Googlemap GPS and use it as an excuse to eliminate us.
I really cannot foresee how additional 55000 jobs could be generated with introduction of driverless taxis.
First and foremost, things are dead, we are alive with a brain, why we are embarking on labourless stuff is because we wanted to reduce foreign manpower. -
If you visit PSA, there is a lack of crane operator, a very high paid job, but no one want to work on it, now they go into digital eyes to download and upload containers, automated, man is just needed to station below to operate it like playing video games, and it was quicker and more accurate. This is one example of semi manless crane in operation today at PSA, such innovation reduced our relying on foreign talent intake, next, own self check in at Changi AP, it reduced the manpower needed and therefore reduced foreign staff, coming up with driverless transport is mainly for cancelling out the over relying on PRC and malaysia Drivers, if you can create a driverless LRT, why not buses, remember the old day where buses is run by electricity (HK still have), manless. Now we are just going back to revisit it. Singaporeans are aging, our local manpower is reducing, and if we keep rely on Foreigners, govt will loose our, citizens will also loose our, values and culture will be affected, identity and belonging will be distorted. So, the initiatives to support automation by govt is a much welcome notion, and we, be it TD, chay kway teow towkay, bankers, bangers, or arsholes..must support it, if we still keep our kiasu and kiasee image within on losing our job, then, we might lose it to foreigner if we do not innovate now. Anyway, i will write shorter, arbo, some asshole said read until headache or smlj can write a book...
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Originally posted by bowah:
He got play meh..he was the director at that time lehDirector cum actor......
Won the 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 NehNeh Award for Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Motion Effect, Best Story, Best.............
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Wha, so many awards, best this and that, but that day, I saw him with a short, slipper and singlet walking and flip flopping at Chua Chu Kang Ave 4 hold a loaf of bread and smoking. Got shadows or not..
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Originally posted by bowah:
If you visit PSA, there is a lack of crane operator, a very high paid job, but no one want to work on it, now they go into digital eyes to download and upload containers, automated, man is just needed to station below to operate it like playing video games, and it was quicker and more accurate.
This is one example of semi manless crane in operation today at PSA, such innovation reduced our relying on foreign talent intake, next, own self check in at Changi AP, it reduced the manpower needed and therefore reduced foreign staff, coming up with driverless transport is mainly for cancelling out the over relying on PRC and malaysia Drivers, if you can create a driverless LRT, why not buses, remember the old day where buses is run by electricity (HK still have), manless. Now we are just going back to revisit it.
Singaporeans are aging, our local manpower is reducing, and if we keep rely on Foreigners, govt will loose our, citizens will also loose our, values and culture will be affected, identity and belonging will be distorted. So, the initiatives to support automation by govt is a much welcome notion, and we, be it TD, chay kway teow towkay, bankers, bangers, or arsholes..must support it, if we still keep our kiasu and kiasee image within on losing our job, then, we might lose it to foreigner if we do not innovate now.
Anyway, i will write shorter, arbo, some asshole said read until headache or smlj can write a book…
Crane operator is good job that Singaporeans wants to do.... look at how MP Png Eng Huat presented ( http://www.feecha.com/single/5982003992199168 ). Bus driver job is what we need foreigners to work since less number of Singaporeans wants it. But taxi job is what Singaporeans want as main and backup job. Driverless LRT is a lot easier to implement than driverless buses because they are fixed routes on tracks without obstacles. Also there would be problem with money collection if driverless buses are implemented.
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Land Rover company has already research on how to use mobile app as an remote control for their vehicle.
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So in another words, you are not driving the land rover, you are simply bringing yr land rover for a mountain climbing trip...then might as well bring my dog or bak bak..better
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Few days ago , pick up a lecturer from NTU at fusionopolis. Told by him Singapore is looking into driverless taxi n even buses. Seminar already being held involving authorities. Maybe 5 years or later u might see driverless taxi in sg.
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Originally posted by AhSeng888:
Few days ago , pick up a lecturer from NTU at fusionopolis. Told by him Singapore is looking into driverless taxi n even buses. Seminar already being held involving authorities. Maybe 5 years or later u might see driverless taxi in sg.
People pushing for driverless cars are tied to tech people..... they obviously would not briefed the authorities saying 55000 jobs would be eliminated with a lot less generated and it would affect 220,000 Singaporeans.
They also definitely would not say Singapore's taxi fare is 1/4 those of other developed countries and is very competitive by developed countries' standard.
They also would not tell the authorities that in other developed countries, driverless cars has not been approved by their respective parliaments or congress.
Also there is no compelling reasons to implement driverless cars and the technology is far from ready. For example, it defintely would have problems navigating during heavy rains, it has not been tested operating at 90 km/h, it has not been tested in congested roads, there are too many signs to identify, it could not tell whether a person at the roadside is flagging, it cannot accept cash payment, it could not self wash vehicle, it would have problems knowing where passengers want to go (many old people have problems communicating in English, it would have problems navigating in HDB carparks (eg stop at rubbish area of blk 13 and stop under shelter) and condos (eg Tower 11 of basement 2), it would have problems stopping for cash-card payment, it does not know how to take instructions from security guards, it could not help passengers with luggages, it does not know how to follow carpark marshall instructions at changi airport, it does not know how to queue at taxi stands, it cannot help wheelchair passengers .....it would have problems at Jurong Island checkpoint....it cannot self search for street hail passengers......it would have problems driving through narrow streets of private estates whereby people park on both sides of the roads especially when here are cars from the opposite direction.... it could not understand simple instructions like stop behind the red lorry or at house no 57....the list of things that driverless taxis cannot perform goes on and one....
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Look, today, singapore hold a workforce of 3.8millions, and 1.5millions are foreigners (EP, WP, PR, SP), so approx, in 3 singaporeans on the workforce, you get to see about 2 foreigners. Govt is trying to reduce that dependency by 2 methods, 1. Technology and innovation to create productivity gain so as to achieve a lean workforce base on knowledge and skills. 2.To upgrade locals skill and knowledge thru skilfuture initiatives so as to support the industrial need of a leaner workforce and also, a higher remuneration structure in near future. If we are not advocacy of changes, we are nothing. If we think only for the sake of Taxi drivers, our childrens may have to carry on as TD, uberX or grabcar, so ask yourself, you want the future whereby we sit at some kopitiam shouting at each other and see our childrens struggling with foreigners, both still driving taxis, or you want a quieter Singapore, whereby values and culture are still intact, and your childrens working as Programmes and innovator for Driveless technology and that we, can travel back home without having to see a foreign driver.
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yesterday took a sonata driven by a young man. Asked him whether just got tdvl and when he got retrenched. KNN he said got retrenched at 37. I was feeling rather sad after hearing this. Since I dont know full story, try not to blame pap first. But still he looked very cheerful and saying the tdvl classroom at sin ming is very full. This is just terrible.
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Originally posted by bowah:
Look, today, singapore hold a workforce of 3.8millions, and 1.5millions are foreigners (EP, WP, PR, SP), so approx, in 3 singaporeans on the workforce, you get to see about 2 foreigners.
Govt is trying to reduce that dependency by 2 methods,
1. Technology and innovation to create productivity gain so as to achieve a lean workforce base on knowledge and skills.
2.To upgrade locals skill and knowledge thru skilfuture initiatives so as to support the industrial need of a leaner workforce and also, a higher remuneration structure in near future.
If we are not advocacy of changes, we are nothing.
If we think only for the sake of Taxi drivers, our childrens may have to carry on as TD, uberX or grabcar, so ask yourself, you want the future whereby we sit at some kopitiam shouting at each other and see our childrens struggling with foreigners, both still driving taxis, or you want a quieter Singapore, whereby values and culture are still intact, and your childrens working as Programmes and innovator for Driveless technology and that we, can travel back home without having to see a foreign driver.
The situation is 55000 Singaporeans jobs get eliminated while a lot less are generated (possible only 1% new jobs and it would be 55/45 (PR+Singapores vs foreigners) split with foreigners)....and these new jobs generated still have to be shared with foreigners. Considering the fact the PRs are included in local ratio, very likely there would be more foreigners in the 1% newly generated jobs while eliminating 99% more Singaporeans. Is this what we want (eliminating 99% Singaporeans for less than 0.5% Singaporeans)? I say the person pushing for driverless car in Singapore forget the Singapore National Pledge and possibly is promised of some benefits to push for driverless taxis.
Is there a need to eliminate Singaporeans taxi drivers when we are very competitive by developed countries' standard charging only 1/4 of what taxis in other developed countries are charging? We also obviously do not want to drop to Malaysian, Chinese or Indian standards too.
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Brother, to be frank and realistic, we are actually sharing with foreigners now, even drivers business, from bus to Uber and grab, foreigners are there, in any sector of the industrial, from chemical to manufacturing to electronic to hospitality to construction, marine...all are affect with foreigners, and some like hospital, offshore and construction, foreigners outweight locals due to not enuf local and at the same time, locals shy away from these jobs. In hospital alone, foreigners nurses and staff outweight local by 3 is to 1 locals, construction 7 is to 1 locals, offshore and marine 5 is to 1 locals, bus drivers 2 is to 1 locals.. SBS current employed more foreign drivers than locals, as locals are getting older and retired, the younger one, well educated are not taking up the job, what choice do SBS have, you think they like PRC drivers? malaysia Drivers?, the govt see the need to go driverless so that the dependency on foreigners will be reduce, if you talk about Singaporeans doing bus driving...by 2020, no more locals doing, most would had retired or promoted to supervision tasks.
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The advancement of transportation technology. But nothing is perfect. We must expect negative outcome soon.
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Originally posted by bowah:
Brother, to be frank and realistic, we are actually sharing with foreigners now, even drivers business, from bus to Uber and grab, foreigners are there, in any sector of the industrial, from chemical to manufacturing to electronic to hospitality to construction, marine…all are affect with foreigners, and some like hospital, offshore and construction, foreigners outweight locals due to not enuf local and at the same time, locals shy away from these jobs.
In hospital alone, foreigners nurses and staff outweight local by 3 is to 1 locals, construction 7 is to 1 locals, offshore and marine 5 is to 1 locals, bus drivers 2 is to 1 locals..
SBS current employed more foreign drivers than locals, as locals are getting older and retired, the younger one, well educated are not taking up the job, what choice do SBS have, you think they like PRC drivers? malaysia Drivers?, the govt see the need to go driverless so that the dependency on foreigners will be reduce, if you talk about Singaporeans doing bus driving…by 2020, no more locals doing, most would had retired or promoted to supervision tasks.
Where got no choice......taxi 55000 active drivers want with another 50000 holding taxi license who continue to renew it knowing they would need it when they get retrenched.... so people who are taking bribes from foreigners to push to open up taxi industry to foreigners or driverless taxis have nothing to say since Singaporeans indicated that we want taxi as main and backup jobs.
Bus driving is what a lot of Singaporeans do not want to do.... but it seems that new bloods are entering that market too including lady degree holders ( http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/senior-minister-of-state-for-transport-calls-for-more-women-bus-drivers )
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What no choice, there are choice in life, either individual or in a group, just like the recent election, it is a group choice, people choose that Govt, so be it. So when people mandated them, mean that people agreed to the white paper of 6.9 million populations, that is a group choice. And why u need so many TD, because of increase in populaton, same goes to housing, notice more and more are built, but if you are to reduce the population, do you still need 55000 cabbies? like in 80s when I driving, population only 3 millions ++, you just need 30k cabbies, and more than enuf, because rental was low, vehicle was cheap and good. So to reduce that human dependency, automation and robotic is the way to go, Japan also hv a aging population, and yet they do not need or do not wish to take in foreigners, as it will erode their culture, like today SIngapore, become a rojak culture with no identity. Eh..you SIngaporean ar? Yes, China Singaporean or Malaysia Singaporean?? Nabey