Bang jasmine table ?
join cdg ?
Bro Nemo4713 you are driving TW1.8 Right ???? There is common !
You can try:
1) When you stop at traffic light etc, put to Park, that for sure will reduce the Jerk.
2) Top Up Mandai or SRG North CNG, It will Jerk much lesser than Toh Guan Gas
(Reason, SMART CNG are purer than Toh Guan, More power less Jerk BUT more expensive)
3) Every 40Km~50Km switch to Petrol mode for a while then switch back to CNG.
4) Install a voltage stabilizer, it will absolutely reduce your Red Baby Jerk
(I had two for my TW 2.0 SHD 9xxx, My Red rubbish truck never Jerk at all)
The reason for the Jerk is becuase for the impurity in the CNG gas and after few hundreds KG of CNG used, the Nozzle start get stuck 。。。。。。
As for the voltage stabilizer can save your fuel cost or not, That I have no comment.
Originally posted by Ct2220:Bro Nemo4713 you are driving TW1.8 Right ???? There is common !
You can try:
1) When you stop at traffic light etc, put to Park, that for sure will reduce the Jerk.
2) Top Up Mandai or SRG North CNG, It will Jerk much lesser than Toh Guan Gas
(Reason, SMART CNG are purer than Toh Guan, More power less Jerk BUT more expensive)3) Every 40Km~50Km switch to Petrol mode for a while then switch back to CNG.
4) Install a voltage stabilizer, it will absolutely reduce your Red Baby Jerk
(I had two for my TW 2.0 SHD 9xxx, My Red rubbish truck never Jerk at all)The reason for the Jerk is becuase for the impurity in the CNG gas and after few hundreds KG of CNG used, the Nozzle start get stuck 。。。。。。
As for the voltage stabilizer can save your fuel cost or not, That I have no comment.
Originally posted by Reliefdriver4u:Bang jasmine table ?
join cdg ?
Bang jasmine table for fark, bang jasmine better lah
As for TS, our Kaypoh Bro CT already told you what to do, so my only other advice is that try not to pick up Jerky pax
Bang Jasmine bo chio....
I had that problem for 1 full year and solved only recently....
Dont be silly, it is not the problem with the CNG.
Don't blame the mechanics please, they are trying their best.
However they know exactly how to solve the problem but they can do nothing about it.
Someone in the company wants to save money and not buy spare parts for toyota wish anymore. So all the parts that they use are recycled and problematic.
Best way to solve the problem is to keep going back to repair until they cannot take it and change the correct part for you.
Or get the new renault and make tons of money for someone. LOL
Originally posted by Ct2220:Bro Nemo4713 you are driving TW1.8 Right ???? There is common !
You can try:
1) When you stop at traffic light etc, put to Park, that for sure will reduce the Jerk.
2) Top Up Mandai or SRG North CNG, It will Jerk much lesser than Toh Guan Gas
(Reason, SMART CNG are purer than Toh Guan, More power less Jerk BUT more expensive)3) Every 40Km~50Km switch to Petrol mode for a while then switch back to CNG.
4) Install a voltage stabilizer, it will absolutely reduce your Red Baby Jerk
(I had two for my TW 2.0 SHD 9xxx, My Red rubbish truck never Jerk at all)The reason for the Jerk is becuase for the impurity in the CNG gas and after few hundreds KG of CNG used, the Nozzle start get stuck 。。。。。。
As for the voltage stabilizer can save your fuel cost or not, That I have no comment.
The only thing that has more power is petrol. All the CNG i use are weak when going up a slope. (Edit typo)
Originally posted by Affirm:I had that problem for 1 full year and solved only recently....
Dont be silly, it is not the problem with the CNG.
Don't blame the mechanics please, they are trying their best.
However they know exactly how to solve the problem but they can do nothing about it.
Someone in the company wants to save money and not buy spare parts for toyota wish anymore. So all the parts that they use are recycled and problematic.
Best way to solve the problem is to keep going back to repair until they cannot take it and change the correct part for you.
Or get the new renault and make tons of money for someone. LOL
Sounds logical. Since no more wish, no point bringing new parts.
But keep gg back, the hirer also cant tahan lor. No income leh.
If stay far from defu worse lor.
Use petrol driver and earn, at night send back into workshop to clockdowntime.
Haha
Old problem. Try stepping on accelerator harder when moving off.
'CNG is now an old story'
Fed up with her CNG car stalling every day, she drove back to the workshop to remove the entire kit. The number of new CNG cars has plunged from the July peak of 419 units. -BT
Mon, Nov 10, 2008
The Business Times
By Samuel Ee
SLUGGISH and sometimes jerky performance seem to have driven a wedge between the Singapore car buyer and compressed natural gas (CNG), with the love affair set for a possibly unhappy ending.
Some cars retrofitted with CNG kits have been causing problems for owners, who say their cars now face a loss of power or worse.
"One owner was so fed up with her CNG car stalling every other day that she drove back to our workshop and told us to remove the entire kit," says the manager of a parallel import company. The cost of a CNG conversion can range from $3,000 to $4,500, depending on the size of the gas tank installed.
The manager believes the car's petrol engine was not designed for CNG use, so there may be durability issues.
"Unless it is like the Mercedes-Benz E200 NGT, which has a factory-fitted CNG kit," he says. The Merc is the only such OEM (original equipment manufacturer) model available here.
The executive of an authorised distributor says that his company also faced CNG-related woes.
"We have stopped all retrofitting works and no longer offer the CNG alternative to our customers," he says. "There were problems with the ECU (electronic control unit) and engine mapping, which caused a lot of minor problems. There was power loss, the engine stalled and even the trip computer's readings were out."
He adds that with such serious technical issues involved, the dealership had no choice but to pull the plug on CNG retrofits. Also baffling was that different cars had different problems or none at all.
"The same CNG kit installed in two different cars will have different results," he says. "It is probably the lack of expertise on the installer's part they don't know what to do."
Gilbert von der Aue, manager of C Melchers, agrees that some CNG installers are less well-trained than others, but he says that "only a very small percentage of cars are having a small issue". Melchers is one of the better-known names for CNG retrofits in Singapore, which has a total of around 20 installers.
"Our group does about 55 per cent of all retrofits, and out of all these cars, only 2 per cent have issues where certain cars will have a slight drop in performance compared to petrol," he says.
He explains that the jerkiness occurs during acceleration and if the driver is "light-footed". "CNG's burning characteristics require more gas to flow in, so you have to adapt to the way of driving," says Mr von der Aue.
As for the other issues, he says that they could be due to the tuning of the cars, which a less-proficient installer may not know how to perform effectively, or even a problem with the car itself.
"We have seen inherent problems with the existing car, like its compression ratio. CNG technology is very precise, so it is far less forgiving than petrol," he says. "It is a proven technology and there are no technical issues for Melchers."
He attributes the steady drop in sales of new CNG cars to worries about the re-introduction of the special tax and adverse publicity about long queues at the only two CNG public refuelling stations. There is a special tax of six times the road tax for bi-fuel cars such as CNG cars, which can also run on petrol, but there is an exemption until Dec 31, 2009. A review of the special tax will be done closer to the date and some people fear the exemption will be lifted.
The number of new CNG cars has plunged dramatically from the July peak of 419 units. It slipped to 320 cars in August, and further to only 283 units in September.
One parallel importer who used to sell about 20 CNG cars a month now only gets two or three orders. He says that the advantages of these cars their lower running cost (CNG is cheaper than petrol) and reduced registration taxes (new cars retrofitted with a CNG kit attract a green vehicle rebate of 40 per cent of open market value) - have been overshadowed by adverse publicity and falling petrol prices.
He says: "CNG is now an old story."
Originally posted by Nemo4713:Thanks to all bro for the advises… it just die on me again….
Originally posted by Affirm:I had that problem for 1 full year and solved only recently....
Dont be silly, it is not the problem with the CNG.
Don't blame the mechanics please, they are trying their best.
However they know exactly how to solve the problem but they can do nothing about it.
Someone in the company wants to save money and not buy spare parts for toyota wish anymore. So all the parts that they use are recycled and problematic.
Best way to solve the problem is to keep going back to repair until they cannot take it and change the correct part for you.
Or get the new renault and make tons of money for someone. LOL
Originally posted by Keepthechange666:Bang Jasmine bo chio....
I dun like gangbang
Originally posted by Nemo4713:
Bro can advise which is the part that is giving the problem??
I think you hv to be logical here, first, CNG lack power, if not army tank would had used it, second, CNG are air, and air are like bubbles, just you blurp after eating, all because of air, and that is also why CNG give you that jerking, third, as air, CNG dry up engine faster than instead of lubricating it, therefore engine piston, piston rings and its liners due to dryer running surface, at time will jerk to move up and down.
And then the major point of all is CNG taxis and vehicle in singapore are mostly converted ones, therefore it is a modification, and that imply a diversion of it design of what was intended, that is diesel or petrol driven.
Originally posted by Nemo4713:
Bro can advise which is the part that is giving the problem??
Useless even if i tell you. And if i tell you, i might get into trouble
The problem will also come back in one or another form because toyota wish are old taxis already. Some problems are interlinked.
Junior Mechanics don't know how to fix it fyi.
Talk to Jasmine / Senior Mechanics nicely and they will fix it if they can.
But most likely both of them cannot do anything for you unless ________ . (fill in the blanks).
My best advice is to return vehicle and find another reliable car.
Originally posted by bowah:
I dun like gangbang
Knn, let you go first lor....
a driver told me today, not only incentive cut 20%, now the red coy servicing is around 8 hrs. 8 hrs ah he emphasise. but they dont tell u, u just keep waiting and waiting...
Originally posted by Keepthechange666:Knn, let you go first lor....
Then you all see and take cam...mai sabo uncle lah
Originally posted by DriverDriver:a driver told me today, not only incentive cut 20%, now the red coy servicing is around 8 hrs. 8 hrs ah he emphasise. but they dont tell u, u just keep waiting and waiting...
a driver also told me, red wish is the best earning for TD
Originally posted by bowah:
a driver also told me, red wish is the best earning for TD
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Originally posted by bowah:
Then you all see and take cam...mai sabo uncle lah
Lj la, limpek will be reading sgforum la....
Don't know how long you can cum out....
How long, old liao, what you expect, very fast cum liao...especially for Jasmine
Originally posted by bowah:How long, old liao, what you expect, very fast cum liao...especially for Jasmine
I heard Jasmine name nia, already cum....