Night Owls Chatterboxes - Part LXXXI
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Originally posted by SevenEleven:
I mean, look at the mess they have created.
1) My pledge becomes an aspiration
2) My country becomes a city
3) My court becomes a kangaroo den
4) My people becomes daff
5) My people becomes lesser mortal
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I'm really glad I served my NS during a time when singapore still felt like a real country and home. If I were 18 years old today, I'd be questioning why I have to do it.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
some stock analyst were saying the other day that since the MIW has promised to allow more grounds for the opposition this time round, there'll be more opposition mps after the next elections, and the market would react by falling.
it'll be an opportunity to make some money then.
oh....i heard them since LHL became PM
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Originally posted by Fatum:
some stock analyst were saying the other day that since the MIW has promised to allow more grounds for the opposition this time round, there'll be more opposition mps after the next elections, and the market would react by falling.
it'll be an opportunity to make some money then.
I love money, but I love my country more to be blinded by the litlle monetary threat" -
Hmmm nthing on novena yet on the news...
maybe will have to see tml news or someting...
then again, i could have receive false info >___>
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It's pretty sad
The country can't be runned as it was in e past.
To think of it, the hey days was not as educated as the so called scholars today.
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When money is used to buy loyalty, it is the road to disater
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of course, I love my country too .... that's why I've taken steps beyond chatting on the forums about this issue, as some of you may know.
I may have a very traditional asian mindset about this, but to me, there are overriding considerations above minor bouts of verbal incontinence from ruling politicians or policy lapses, or even the over-inflated ego of an old man, whom, like it or not, really built us up to where we are today.To me, stability, predictability and the big picture are more important than any sort of personal peeve or grevience that one may have.
True, the MIW may have gotten long in the tooth, and certainly policy and administrative issues have struck people right in the ass. But I think a vote should be more than a revenge or axe grinding tool, or even as an outlet of displeasure, for the collective consequences can be far reaching.
Will change happen one day ? I'm not sure when, but eventually, it will, for no party lasts forever. If nothing else, what I do not hope to see, and what i am hoping to avoid, is for the local political scene to degenerate into the circus that characterizes the democratic process of most other countries, east and west. When politicians tell you only what you'd like to hear, for you to feel good, out of fear for your votes going the other way, then, verily, you'll only get shows and theatrics from showmen and nothing else, like most other countries. It is implicit in the democratic process, goverment by the vote, that an emotionally mature and cool electorate is neccessary for it to work. This is something that cannot be learnt overnight; most other countries have not gotten it right yet, and we'd be kidding ourselves if we think we have. If anything, to me, this is the most damaging legacy of the past 40 years of MIW rule. For we have evolved into a people whom, actually, are too dependent on the ruling party for all the answers. And now, like an over-coddled child grown up, people are learning to use the ballot box to get what they want to hear. This, of course, is our right, but have we as a people learnt the responsibilities that comes with this right ? looking at the trollers in the ypap forums, at other forums, etc, I think not. I think we still need some years to learn that.
Now if nothing else, if the MIW's last function were to be a holding and transitional force in politics, even if it's to slap down people like chee who's trying to degenerate our political scene into something unsavoury, while allowing the rise of a real viable alternative bloc to emerge, then perhaps it's all worthwhile.
Why else, would they spread their legs wide open this time round ?
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shit .... my new mouse, going kaput ! .......
made in china ! ....
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evening
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well, for all that, you seem to want to stunt the growth of the country by stunting the opposition... letting the MIW think they can get away with more stupid things by putting them into power with a higher majority...
oh well.. your vote... that is the strength and the weakness of democracy..
for every strength is itself an inherent weakness
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PRC things can't be trusted anymore
Actually so long ago... I still remembered e saying abt QC of canned food of diff batches.
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hungry.
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When I read stories like this, I wish the verdamn casinos were never built to begin with....
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Originally posted by fudgester:
When I read stories like this, I wish the verdamn casinos were never built to begin with....
Casinos ruin lives.
The mentality of having one just becos other is having is a sick moral.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
When I read stories like this, I wish the verdamn casinos were never built to begin with....
even there's no casino, those underground casino tat used to be around in scales has its impact alrdy. -
the casinos are here.. i guess we can only minimise the impacts through our personal values
depending on the MIW's values is a road to hell.. they've proven time again that they don't give a shit about the people they were put there to serve, they don't give a shit about the advice, the good sense, the logic of long term and the social good.. they just care about "growth" and the bottom line
before the casino thing was put to a "debate" we already knew one will be built.. the MIW went ahead and built two...
we, the people, will have to deal with the repercussions, not the MIW who are cloistered in their ivory towers...
alas...
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going off soon to do my work.
in any case, there's a article that TR ought to be shut for good.
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oh... I've almost been almost knocked down by m'bikes chionging off pavements before. Any path islandwide has become many of their new roads.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
When I read stories like this, I wish the verdamn casinos were never built to begin with....
the PAP will never let anything get between them and money, even if it means destroying the whole country.
that being said, the guy also has to take personal responsibility for being an idiot.
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Originally posted by av98m:
the PAP will never let anything get between them and money, even if it means destroying the whole country.
that being said, the guy also has to take personal responsibility for being an idiot.
When I first heard about the higher-ups thinking about building the casino, I knew that all this 'citizen consultation' was just a wayang. One way or the other, the casinos were going to be built.
If they had been truly concerned about the will of the masses, they would have called for a referendum on the issue.
That said, it's also true that personal responsibility plays a part. Nobody forced the CPT to walk into the casino and throw away his money there.
I feel a little sad for him, considering that he threw away his money, family, career, freedom, and pretty much the chance at a normal life..... all for a chance at quick cash.
But still, he must pay the price for his misdeeds, and I feel really sorry for the true victims of all this: his wife and kids.
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actually I'm not sure if the casino is causing more social problems or if they are just pulling out the previously hidden problems. There were afterall lots of illegal gambling, cruise ships and genting. Given that they can now blatantly advertise for gambling addicts to help them, more people could be helped too.
Anyway, the recent increase in number of know gambling addicts reported is at least in part due to more publicity and awareness.
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Originally posted by fudgester:
When I read stories like this, I wish the verdamn casinos were never built to begin with....
so where do you think personal responsibility begins ? .......
I have not stepped into any of the 2 casinos here yet, and I don't plan to. It reminds me of a bunch of fatsos who sued macdonalds for selling unhealthy food .....
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Originally posted by the Bear:
well, for all that, you seem to want to stunt the growth of the country by stunting the opposition... letting the MIW think they can get away with more stupid things by putting them into power with a higher majority...
oh well.. your vote... that is the strength and the weakness of democracy..
for every strength is itself an inherent weakness
the unfortunate thing about democracy, or at least the brand of democracy that the opposition and their supporters are trying to force onto singapore, is that there is no middle ground, you're either for one side or the other, it forces you to commit to the whole package.
Is the MIW perfect ? no, not by a long shot, for all the nice furry exterior there's an underbelly too, of course. Ditto the opposition, there are clowns like chee, and there are chaps who try to do what they think is best for the country. You said so yourself, that there were chaps you could trust among the ranks of the MIW, eh.
And, just like you've decided that while there are idiots like CSJ in the opposition, there are people in the opposition worth your vote. I've decided that the MIW as a whole is better for the country for the next 5 years, for stability, for predictability, for gradual change, after taking both sides into account. And this was after a close examination of the existing opposition bloc, too. I have acquaintances who are card carrying opposition members, real ones, not forum trollers. and I've spent plenty on opposition literature too. But I have found them disorganized, vindictive, and very wanting. I do not deem them worthy of my vote.
If there comes a day when another bloc emerges that I think provides a viable alternative whole package, then my vote, as the vote of a responsible citizen, would be up in the air too. It's as simple as that.
I would not, however, use my vote as an outlet for my displeasure at specific policies or greviences, assuming that the MIW would always be in power regardless. I think my right to vote as a citizen comes with more responsibilities than that.
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evening
MediaCorp change track..
Ai will be adjusted to telecast on Weekdays 7pm (5x eps per week).
Weekend from 27 Feb will show Ye Shi Ren Sheng.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
evening
MediaCorp change track..
Ai will be adjusted to telecast on Weekdays 7pm (5x eps per week).
Weekend from 27 Feb will show Ye Shi Ren Sheng.
another one of those 4000+ episode IQ-diminishing, brain-rotting serials?