Does this function in your company really helps?
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Strategic Planning / Corporate Planning / Corporate Development?
During bad times, this dept is usually the first to be put on the chopping board; when times are good, companies will all rush to set up this dept, offer high pay to recruit pple from this function
a bit of the yoyo syndrome, right?
I mean this function basically align everyone to the company's overall goals and direction....without which, everyone will be going in their own direction and own pace...what will the company become ?
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in my organisation, they are the ones who cause a lot of useless work which diminish value..
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the return is that of the future value that the company will reap...Originally posted by the Bear:in my organisation, they are the ones who cause a lot of useless work which diminish value..
all those works are for the future of the company mah -
uhh... keep making us do a lot of paperwork..
as if keeping track of number of staff suggestions and WITs is a sign of "organisational health"
thing is, if they are low = people are trying to do their work and have no time for rubbish like these..
they don't see it that way and figure that figures are low = management must tekan them more to increase the numbers...
i berated them for putting the cart before the horse, and stop badgering us for things like that... they seemed immune to logic..Originally posted by Mospeada:the return is that of the future value that the company will reap...
all those works are for the future of the company mah -
maybe they are embarking on a wrong path...Originally posted by the Bear:uhh... keep making us do a lot of paperwork..
as if keeping track of number of staff suggestions and WITs is a sign of "organisational health"
thing is, if they are low = people are trying to do their work and have no time for rubbish like these..
they don't see it that way and figure that figures are low = management must tekan them more to increase the numbers...
i berated them for putting the cart before the horse, and stop badgering us for things like that... they seemed immune to logic..
number of staff suggestions is only a driver...what they should be tracking is the number of suggestions that individual dept has implemented and the impact of these suggestions implmented -
Every organisation is different so it is hard to say, but in general, it is some what true cos corp dev is a cost centre and usually not a 1st tier do or die dept like operations, finance, IT
If the company is substanical size, chances are they are the one to go 1st is high, cos their portfolio can be decentralize to various depts.
For example, I am reporting to a Director of Corporate Development where by the HR and Admin people also report to him. So if he is gone, the HR/Admin mangers and myself will simply report to the MD directly instead.
Anyway all best -
don't see the use of the department when its the job of the boss and management with feedback fro rank and file, to plan strategically
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Sorry to say, I have to agree with Mr Bear.Originally posted by Mospeada:maybe they are embarking on a wrong path...
number of staff suggestions is only a driver...what they should be tracking is the number of suggestions that individual dept has implemented and the impact of these suggestions implmented
Corp dev usually encompass HR and Admin and therefore usually like to come up with cost cutting measures and directives which are sometimes pretty stupid.
This is especially true, if the corp dev are in constant pressure to do and show something to the management that they are useful and needed and done something good for the company -
thanksOriginally posted by Mid9Sun:Every organisation is different so it is hard to say, but in general, it is some what true cos corp dev is a cost centre and usually not a 1st tier do or die dept like operations, finance, IT
If the company is substanical size, chances are they are the one to go 1st is high, cos their portfolio can be decentralize to various depts.
For example, I am reporting to a Director of Corporate Development where by the HR and Admin people also report to him. So if he is gone, the HR/Admin mangers and myself will simply report to the MD directly instead.
Anyway all best
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i mean when driving this kind of top-down projects, communications and buy-in are the most impt elements...Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Sorry to say, I have to agree with Mr Bear.
Corp dev usually encompass HR and Admin and therefore usually like to come up with cost cutting measures and directives which are sometimes pretty stupid.
This is especially true, if the corp dev are in constant pressure to do and show something to the management that they are useful and needed and done something good for the company
communicate the upside of doing certain actions...and buy-in and support from all the staff are needed to keep it alive -
but the function overlaps the HR isnt it, esp the communicating to the staff part?? Hence, most company dont have a corp dev exactly but the function is placed under Admin/HR directly instead of a individual deptOriginally posted by Mospeada:i mean when driving this kind of top-down projects, communications and buy-in are the most impt elements...
communicate the upside of doing certain actions...and buy-in and support from all the staff are needed to keep it alive -
usually they are a bunch of jacks of all trade...x-functional trainedOriginally posted by Mid9Sun:but the function overlaps the HR isnt it, esp the communicating to the staff part?? Hence, most company dont have a corp dev exactly but the function is placed under Admin/HR directly instead of a individual dept -
u would need a neutral party who understand how each dept works to bring them together and start them off the same page mah , right?Originally posted by mistyblue:don't see the use of the department when its the job of the boss and management with feedback fro rank and file, to plan strategically -
It is the HR's job to do that to make sure staff are aware and understand company policies and also the mgmt aware of the employee's concern...Originally posted by Mospeada:u would need a neutral party who understand how each dept works to bring them together and start them off the same page mah , right?
Sorry to say, corp dev in this case is redundent -
lol..Originally posted by Mospeada:u would need a neutral party who understand how each dept works to bring them together and start them off the same page mah , right?
ours wil be they just grab the managers from different department of the Heads n at least 1 director with us n they will show us their planning , the strategy.. what we have now.. we will the future be and where we heading and what we need.
then.. its like discussion , feed back a bit.. then we leave then the people continue to see whether to make it happen or not. Mostly for my department i just make sure it makes our work more efficient or whether we can expand our resources to wherever they are going next. Planning in terms of company growth and all that i just =X. -
it seems the common feeling is that such function is redundent
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it's a waste of resourcesOriginally posted by Mospeada:it seems the common feeling is that such function is redundent
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u will need good leaders as well as good managers.
Good managers are more importants than good leaders.
The managers in this term are not the business managers/sales mangers, more of like ppl who are able to manage things in a more efficient manners to keep things going and in pace.
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like me..Originally posted by sLeEpWaLkErInG:u will need good leaders as well as good managers.
Good managers are more importants than good leaders.
The managers in this term are not the business managers/sales mangers, more of like ppl who are able to manage things in a more efficient manners to keep things going and in pace.
with an iron fist.
Replacements are many. Do well and u will be rewarded. Fail and u will pack n go. Exemptions only under special circumstances and situations. But man.. dealing with HR.. is the most tiam... tiaaaaaaaam! Head will EXPLODE. -
A waste-time department anot, the Boss happy can loh.....
I get my job done, get my pay, happy enuff liao! -
but before u clench ur iron fist, u need a plan, strategy on how to exercise the clenching , right?Originally posted by BadzMaro:like me..
with an iron fist. Replacements are many. Do well and u will be rewarded. Fail and u will pack n go. Exemptions only under special circumstances and situations. But man.. dealing with HR.. is the most tiam... tiaaaaaaaam! Head will EXPLODE.
there's where the planning guy is needed -
It's pretty much the same as with anything else - it's only useful if it's taken aboard with a clear understanding of what it is. You could spend a couple of grand on the world's best scalpel, but if you're going to use it as a screwdriver, you'll end up feeling stupid and cheated.