How should we practise recitation of sutra?
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Originally posted by wisdomeye:
I recommend first start with Heart Sutra. It is short and increases your wisdom! Later on, you can go on to Lotus sutra 普门�，Avatamsaka sutra 普贤行愿�，Diamond sutra, 地�sutra, Amitabha sutra etc. It depends mainly on your time available as they are of varying lengths so to fit them into your schedule depends on your commitment... also if you like Guan Yin, you can recite 普门�, If you feel closer to Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva, can also recite 地�sutra. As each sutra is linked to different bodhisattva.
Also you can recite NAMO GUAN SHI YIN PU SA , NAMO AMITUOFO... it is short and easy to practice in daily life.
Really recommend that you do a small basic practice to begin with.
positron = stardust = christian evangelist. no need to give so detailed advice
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
positron = stardust = christian evangelist. no need to give so detailed advice
but i agree with heart sutra as a start
Pepper=stardust=ironfist=taiwanpolitics=positronNo more clones.
All confessed at the same time.
Sorry for cloning.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
positron = stardust = christian evangelist. no need to give so detailed advice
but i agree with heart sutra as a start
But as a child of God through Jesus I cant chant or recite. Sorry.U miss out my other clones.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
But as a child of God through Jesus I cant chant or recite. Sorry.U miss out my other clones.
I know every single one of your clones, that is why I wrote earlier that you have 5 accounts before you edited your post and included the names.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
I know every single one of your clones, that is why I wrote earlier that you have 5 accounts before you edited your post and included the names.
U sure? u wrote 4 or 5. 4 or 5 means nt 100 percent sure.Clones are no big deal. Who knows maybe other ppl in forum also gt clones.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
Erm Din u see my apology thread or my post above? Thanks anyway I came here to fish information only.A true Buddhist will not convert to Christian because he understands Buddha's teachings. So, there's no need for you to gather information. Only "half bucket" Buddhist will be con by you.
I remembered you mentioned you were an ex-Buddhist. If you are here to gather information (that means you do not know Buddhism well), meaning you were also a half-bucket Buddhist, that is why you converted to Christian.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
Pepper=stardust=ironfist=taiwanpolitics=positronNo more clones.
All confessed at the same time.
Sorry for cloning.
As a child of God, please tell us the truth why you need to know more about Buddhism when you preach to Buddhists. If I'm not wrong, you want to claim that you were an ex-Buddhist and to sound more convincing, you need to know more about Buddhism. Tell us the truth.
You talk about respect but you are not respecting Buddhism. How can you guys preach to Buddhists when you know they already have a religion. You guys are not respecting other people's religion. You guys are just depriving them time to know more about Buddhism.
Stop telling Buddhists that only Christians are able to go to heaven. Read the bible carefully especially the following verses. Not every Christians can enter KOG because Jesus says one must work out their own salvation.
Philippians 2-12Therefore, my dear friends, ... continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.John 2:20 - But do you want to know,O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter -
Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
As a child of God, please tell us the truth why you need to know more about Buddhism when you preach to Buddhists. If I'm not wrong, you want to claim that you were an ex-Buddhist and to sound more convincing, you need to know more about Buddhism. Tell us the truth.
You talk about respect but you are not respecting Buddhism. How can you guys preach to Buddhists when you know they already have a religion. You guys are not respecting other people's religion. You guys are just depriving them time to know more about Buddhism.
Stop telling Buddhists that only Christians are able to go to heaven. Read the bible carefully especially the following verses. Not every Christians can enter KOG because Jesus says one must work out their own salvation.
Philippians 2-12Therefore, my dear friends, ... continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.John 2:20 - But do you want to know,O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter
When u engage well learned buddhist.Singapore many is blindly follow parent's religion dunno abt buddhism at all.
Some buddhist are well learned. They know alot one. They shoot out buddhism technical terms/jargon like bullets when u share with them.
So we need some understanding of buddhism.
Yes,I lastime gt go AEN dharma centre for sometime to learn abt those basics lor triple gems 5 precepts all those,ten virtous deeds. I joined youth group one. But never learn anything much one.
I gt go to AEN dharma centre for abt 4 months. I also gt take refuge there.I shui bain shui bain go and take refuge since it's vesak day. I abit enthusiatic only.
. My refuge cert have been torn into 2 but still at my house. I gt the proof. I gt meet outside with him also.
Then I never go his buddhsit centre cos no more interest anymore. Dun really like it.
Then I go church afterwards and become believer and gt baptised. Then later serve as evangelist.
Then I find out I forget much of wad I learn abt buddhism. I got no more knowledge.
At first I was not serious abt learning buddhism so I din absorb much in the first place.
Now as a street evangelist who sometimes meet well learned buddhsit,must learn more abt buddhism mah.
Out of 100 ppl u evengelise sure gt one expert in buddhism one. Most blindly follow dunno anything one lah. Follow family tradition.
We one month save quite alot of blind followers. happy !!!
In christianality salvation is on faith alone. But faith without deeds is dead means u say u believe u must go church lor,read bible lor.gathering lor etc etc
Means ur true faith will result in good works. If ppl claim he believe but no works one maybe is fake believer.
Trust me,gt christian say they believe but never go church for many years one,a high chance is a fake believer unless he really busy cannot go.
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Hi Positron/stardust
O never knew you are ONE. Like Trinity 3 in 1. LOL... Anyway great to see that you are still curious about Buddhism practice. Whether u r a true Christian or Buddhist, it does not really matter �缘�. Because I am an ex Christian that turn Buddhist due to certain encounter. The important thing is "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling." Phipp 2:12
If u want to give testimony about your past experience to glorify God, testified thing which you really have gone through instead from forum gathered information. Otherwise you will not be glorifying God but bringing embarrassment to him.
Matt 22:21 "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's"
Gassho
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
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Originally posted by reborn76:
Hi Positron/stardust
O never knew you are ONE. Like Trinity 3 in 1. LOL... Anyway great to see that you are still curious about Buddhism practice. Whether u r a true Christian or Buddhist, it does not really matter �缘�. Because I am an ex Christian that turn Buddhist due to certain encounter. The important thing is "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling." Phipp 2:12
If u want to give testimony about your past experience to glorify God, testified thing which you really have gone through instead from forum gathered information. Otherwise you will not be glorifying God but bringing embarrassment to him.
Matt 22:21 "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's"
Gassho
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
I now dun plan to learn abt buddhism now.I save those who blindly follow their family tradition ones first.
Many ppl out there have no understanding on buddhism but blindly follow parents. Save all the easy ones first.
Those who have knowledge tend to have lower conversion rate.
U know y need buddhism knowledge? Some well learned buddhist u share Jesus they share buddha u need some knowledge to understand wad they are saying to there if nt blur blur sit there listen.
Evangelism is a good thing. U meet all kinds of people. Sharing with strangers is harder than with frenz. I met muslims who dunno abt islam,hindus who dunno abt hindus of cos also christians who also dunno much abt christian never go church one or just follow parents one.
Sharing with ppl u know like relatives is easier than with strangers.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I now dun plan to learn abt buddhism now.I save those who blindly follow their family tradition ones first.
Many ppl out there have no understanding on buddhism but blindly follow parents. Save all the easy ones first.
Those who have knowledge tend to have lower conversion rate.
U know y need buddhism knowledge? Some well learned buddhist u share Jesus they share buddha u need some knowledge to understand wad they are saying to there if nt blur blur sit there listen.
Hi StarDust,
Just curious: how old are you? How many people have you "saved", and their average age? Which church do you belong to?
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Originally posted by Rainbow Jigsaw:
Hi StarDust,
Just curious: how old are you? How many people have you "saved", and their average age? Which church do you belong to?
Church cannot say for privacy.I never count sorry hor.
Average age I share with all age grps ones. I even share with ang mo.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I save those who blindly follow their family tradition ones first.Many ppl out there have no understanding on buddhism but blindly follow parents. Save all the easy ones first.
Those who have knowledge tend to have lower conversion rate.
If they have no understanding on Buddhism / Islam / Hinduism etc. why not encourage them to learn about their teachings, why is there a need to target those who are "weak" without much knowledge of their own family traditions to turn to Christianity?
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Originally posted by zero thought:
If they have no understanding on Buddhism / Islam / Hinduism etc. why not encourage them to learn about their teachings, why is there a need to target those who are "weak" without much knowledge of their own family traditions to turn to Christianity?
But u cant say i prey on the weak.It's just a bonus when we meet ppl who have not much knowledge cos higher chances of converting.
U think I specially find ppl who dun understand buddhism?
Or before i share with them gt a mark on their head which tell me they have no knowledge?
I just happen to meet them
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Hi Stardust
Is good that you come clean about your motivation about gathering information about Buddhism! As the Q & A information might in a way or another open door for you to preach the gospel.
Well, I do understand how you feel as a Born Again Christian. You are full of zeal to share your new found faith to others. When people embraced your faith, you are more convinced that your faith is real.
Of course, your Faith is real within a certain premises and it does have a role to play in the society. At least, it will keep most people away from drug, bad deeds and etc. However, we could not undermined other people belief as unreal and its religious role in the society. By shuffling the gospel down people throat and making a mockery of people belief will not achieve much good. In fact, you should consider understand other people points of view. As Paul has said in 1 Corinthians 8:1 Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
Preach the gospel with love as Paul has taught rather with a," I am right you are wrong attitude."
1 Corinthians 13:1-7 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Alrite, I shall leave you with a Christian FAQ link written by an angmo buddhist priest http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/Ryuei/ChristianFAQ.html on Buddhist thought about God. Enjoy your reading.
Gassho
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
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stardust is treating human as commodity and figures ... so he will never ever succeeding converting people .never ever ever ...
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
When u engage well learned buddhist.Singapore many is blindly follow parent's religion dunno abt buddhism at all.
Some buddhist are well learned. They know alot one. They shoot out buddhism technical terms/jargon like bullets when u share with them.
So we need some understanding of buddhism.
Yes,I lastime gt go AEN dharma centre for sometime to learn abt those basics lor triple gems 5 precepts all those,ten virtous deeds. I joined youth group one. But never learn anything much one.
I gt go to AEN dharma centre for abt 4 months. I also gt take refuge there.I shui bain shui bain go and take refuge since it's vesak day. I abit enthusiatic only.
. My refuge cert have been torn into 2 but still at my house. I gt the proof. I gt meet outside with him also.
Then I never go his buddhsit centre cos no more interest anymore. Dun really like it.
Then I go church afterwards and become believer and gt baptised. Then later serve as evangelist.
Then I find out I forget much of wad I learn abt buddhism. I got no more knowledge.
At first I was not serious abt learning buddhism so I din absorb much in the first place.
Now as a street evangelist who sometimes meet well learned buddhsit,must learn more abt buddhism mah.
Out of 100 ppl u evengelise sure gt one expert in buddhism one. Most blindly follow dunno anything one lah. Follow family tradition.
We one month save quite alot of blind followers. happy !!!
In christianality salvation is on faith alone. But faith without deeds is dead means u say u believe u must go church lor,read bible lor.gathering lor etc etc
Means ur true faith will result in good works. If ppl claim he believe but no works one maybe is fake believer.
Trust me,gt christian say they believe but never go church for many years one,a high chance is a fake believer unless he really busy cannot go.
If you say works mean going to church and read the bible. I wonder why Jesus must use the words like fear and trembling. Why there are 10 commandments for you to follow if good works just mean going to church and read the bible. I saw the similarities of what 慧律法师said, every actions we make must be with fear and trembling.
I mention all these for fear you are misleading those that you convert and lead them to hell instead of heaven.
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Hi Positron, Stardust, Pepper and .... what not,
I hope you are still there.
I dun wish to start a religious debate here.
Your actions will have implications on yourself in the future. If I am not wrong, the effects should manifest within this lifetime.
By just gathering surface information on Buddhism for increasing your 'kill rate/conversion rate', you are doing yourself and others a great disservice. From a greater scheme of things, you have led to the greater confusion in the spiritual scene. This will have further implications on yourself and you will incur a 'debt' which you may need to resolve/balance in the future.
When that effect happens, I hope you remember what transpired in the past leading to it and be able to connect the dots/missing links.
Karmic debt is real (from the convention sense) and is no joke. I myself can trace some of the debts to past life and the present-life effects are not fun.
Regards
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Originally posted by simpo_:
Hi Positron, Stardust, Pepper and .... what not,
I hope you are still there.
I dun wish to start a religious debate here.
Your actions will have implications on yourself in the future. If I am not wrong, the effects should manifest within this lifetime.
By just gathering surface information on Buddhism for increasing your 'kill rate/conversion rate', you are doing yourself and others a great disservice. From a greater scheme of things, you have led to the greater confusion in the spiritual scene. This will have further implications on yourself and you will incur a 'debt' which you may need to resolve/balance in the future.
When that effect happens, I hope you remember what transpired in the past leading to it and be able to connect the dots/missing links.
Karmic debt is real (from the convention sense) and is no joke. I myself can trace some of the debts to past life and the present-life effects are not fun.
Regards
Yes, I have understood and know I am wrong.I have been repenting to God.I wont do it again and I have promised my friend borihuci not to create anymore problems in this forum. 100 percent assured.
This is my last post here,I wont step inside here to post as I have promised my friends . In case you all dunno wad I have promised borihuci.
Best regards
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Hi Stardust,
Shui Bian Shui Bian take refuge also a merits, just continue to take refuge lah. In Buddhism, there is no restriction on the number of times in taking refuge. For the "weaker" Buddhists, plse encourage with your understanding and knowledge on Buddhism so that weaker Buddhists who lack informed knowledge can climb up the ladder the same as you in Buddhism :)
If you want to plant enormous blessing, explore Amitabha pureland and plse evangelises lah :))
This is very helpful :)
http://www.purelandbuddhism.com/10Doubts.pdf
Amitabha
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Originally posted by Amitayus48:
Hi Stardust,
Shui Bian Shui Bian take refuge also a merits, just continue to take refuge lah. In Buddhism, there is no restriction on the number of times in taking refuge. For the "weaker" Buddhists, plse encourage with your understanding and knowledge on Buddhism so that weaker Buddhists who lack informed knowledge can climb up the ladder the same as you in Buddhism :)
If you want to plant enormous blessing, explore Amitabha pureland and plse evangelises lah :))
This is very helpful :)
http://www.purelandbuddhism.com/10Doubts.pdf
Amitabha
I am a Christian now lah. But I wont create problems on this forum anymore.How can u ask a christian to take refuge?
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old Master Chin Kung society when living in USA, their neighbor are Christian. They were curious why all the ppl in the society are so happy everyday, so oneday they asked them what the society do. MCK told them they learn Buddhism, especially Pureland, a.k.a. and Land of Utimate Bliss. Yes we learn to be happy/blissful, purity, healthy and longivity. When we think about this, every people wanted all this. so MCK welcome them to learn. He said, "since you all go to church on Sunday, you are welcome to learn on Saturday. as they say God and you all are father and son relationship, while Buddha and you all are teacher and student relationship, no conflict. They are pretty happy with it. Buddhism is more like teaching and a school. :)
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
old Master Chin Kung society when living in USA, their neighbor are Christian. They were curious why all the ppl in the society are so happy everyday, so oneday they asked them what the society do. MCK told them they learn Buddhism, especially Pureland, a.k.a. and Land of Utimate Bliss. Yes we learn to be happy/blissful, purity, healthy and longivity. When we think about this, every people wanted all this. so MCK welcome them to learn. He said, "since you all go to church on Sunday, you are welcome to learn on Saturday. as they say God and you all are father and son relationship, while Buddha and you all are teacher and student relationship, no conflict. They are pretty happy with it. Buddhism is more like teaching and a school. :)
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To the buddhsit forum people : Pls dun reply to me as I have promised borihuci nt to step in.
If u all keep reply about me, You are making things difficult for me.
I am no longer interested in learning buddhism anymore. Thanks !!!
Bye Bye
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actually, i don't mind, other religion wishing to know about Buddhism. they are free to ask, this is Singapore, multi-religion under one roof, it's a good thing, not a bad thing. on the contrary, i think it's unhealthy not to understand others. conflicts arises due to misunderstanding not because of understanding. with understanding then got tolerance.
i think it's quite rate to get a new comer of Buddhism in Singapore who ask a lot of basic questions. when i was a mod in esangha(which was down), there were a lot from the west.
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StarDust...
Thought from your earlier thread 'Apology to this Forum' you are dropping the ID Positron? Anyway, go ahead and asked as many questions as you want on Buddhism for your street Evangelism purposes. What you are doing do help other Buddhists to know more and understand the religion better as well. Blessed you for been honest with your intention.