Opening a coffee house

• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 03:59

  I want to open a cafe after I graduate. Who think it is just a nonsesical idea?
  
  i know..after i graduate, I would have a degree in Computer Science but I dun like what I am doing now at all...I dun like programming...feels like I am torturing myself everyday doing something I dun like....
  
  But I love making coffee for people That's what I do at my work every Tuesday and Thursday. The more people there are, the happier I get...weird huh?
  
  I want to have those cafe combined with bookshop one...then ppl can order order coffee and then drink it while reading a book
  
  Ah, me and my daydreaming. Better get back to my programming books *sigh*
  
  i.c.y
  
  
• nOrmalbOi

  15 Oct 04, 04:01

  Then can i be ur sweeper? clean up the cafe and stuff.
  
  
• the Bear

  15 Oct 04, 04:03

  thing about places like that, you need turnover.. lots of turnover in order to make it profitable...
  
  if there are people hanging around after 1 coffee, there's no turnover..
  
  well, one can dream
  
  i got a finance degree and i've not used one bit of the degree one whit ever since i started working
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 04:08

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  thing about places like that, you need turnover.. lots of turnover in order to make it profitable...
  
  if there are people hanging around after 1 coffee, there's no turnover..
  
  well, one can dream
  
  i got a finance degree and i've not used one bit of the degree one whit ever since i started working

  wats turnover?
  
  yea, i luv daydreaming. too much for my own good actually...
  
  i.c.y
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 04:13

  Originally posted by nOrmalbOi:

  Then can i be ur sweeper? clean up the cafe and stuff.
  
  

  haha can if u wan
  
  next time if i m looking for one i will contact u
  
  i.c.y
• the Bear

  15 Oct 04, 04:23

  but when we stop dreaming, a little bit of us dies.. and that bit is what makes us human...
  
  keep dreaming, princess...
  
  for with dreams, we have hope
  with hope, we can have love
  and with love, we dare to wish for impossible things
  
  oh.. turnover = number of customers coming in and then going out with purchases.. the higher the number, the more the cash register rings
  
  

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  wats turnover?
  
  yea, i luv daydreaming. too much for my own good actually...
  
  i.c.y

• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 04:34

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  but when we stop dreaming, a little bit of us dies.. and that bit is what makes us human...
  
  keep dreaming, princess...
  
  for with dreams, we have hope
  with hope, we can have love
  and with love, we dare to wish for impossible things
  
  oh.. turnover = number of customers coming in and then going out with purchases.. the higher the number, the more the cash register rings
  
  

  the place where i worked at...got a lot of people lor...esp today until like got not enuff hand sia...got one long queue at around 1230...usually not so many people one but today i think I must have made at least 50++ cups of coffee (mebbe more) in like an hour time...and usually I will close down the coffee bar at 130 but today have to open until 145 because I dun like chasing ppl away...
  
  i.c.y
• the Bear

  15 Oct 04, 05:07

  wow... you're a nice lady
  
  when i was in australia, 15 minutes before closing, some places were not letting people in already.. even when all they wanted was to make a quick purchase...
  
  great service standard!
  
  

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  the place where i worked at...got a lot of people lor...esp today until like got not enuff hand sia...got one long queue at around 1230...usually not so many people one but today i think I must have made at least 50++ cups of coffee (mebbe more) in like an hour time...and usually I will close down the coffee bar at 130 but today have to open until 145 because I dun like chasing ppl away...
  
  i.c.y

• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 05:15

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  wow... you're a nice lady
  
  when i was in australia, 15 minutes before closing, some places were not letting people in already.. even when all they wanted was to make a quick purchase...
  
  great service standard!
  
  

  hehe...thing is i like doing it dats y i dun mind lingering around a bit more...and just when I was about to pack up, this gal came up with this really pitiful face so I have to take her order haha I am too soft-hearted
  
  Today was rather exciting cos got new 'recipe' for the coffee ...they added 4 more recipes so I had fun learning how to make em hehe and I got to drink some of them too!
  
  i.c.y
• the Bear

  15 Oct 04, 05:19

  you know what?
  
  i'd hire you in a flash but when you've graduated, you'll be overqualified to be a barista
  
  good attitude, willingness to learn, great service, enthusiasm... and i bet service with a smile!
  
  it's rare indeed!
  
  was thinking, if i ran a coffee place, i'd probably die from caffeine overdose and then some
  
  i'm a "reformed" caffeine addict
  
  

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  hehe...thing is i like doing it dats y i dun mind lingering around a bit more...and just when I was about to pack up, this gal came up with this really pitiful face so I have to take her order haha I am too soft-hearted
  
  Today was rather exciting cos got new 'recipe' for the coffee ...they added 4 more recipes so I had fun learning how to make em hehe and I got to drink some of them too!
  
  i.c.y

• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 05:46

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  you know what?
  
  i'd hire you in a flash but when you've graduated, you'll be overqualified to be a barista
  
  good attitude, willingness to learn, great service, enthusiasm... and i bet service with a smile!
  
  it's rare indeed!
  
  was thinking, if i ran a coffee place, i'd probably die from caffeine overdose and then some
  
  i'm a "reformed" caffeine addict
  
  

  hehe..over here nobody wans to hire me..i was wondering why is it so easy for my roomie to get a job...while I can only get a job in the coffeehouse...
  
  i.c.y
• the Bear

  15 Oct 04, 05:58

  well, you're a student... and you're... let's see the time differential... somewhere in the US..
  
  students have a bad rep there? or i've watched too many slacker movies?
  
  i guess they don't know what they're missing
  
  a good attitude is hard to come by these days... i should know... working with a bunch of people with mixed attitudes, the ones with good attitudes are rare and great to work with... and in the end, everyone goes home happy...
  
  while those with bad attitudes make working a pain for everyone
  
  

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  hehe..over here nobody wans to hire me..i was wondering why is it so easy for my roomie to get a job...while I can only get a job in the coffeehouse...
  
  i.c.y

• the Bear

  15 Oct 04, 06:19

  have a great rest of the day princess
  
  i gotta go earn my pay now...
  
  hope to one day meet you when you're back here
  
  
• Nelstar

  15 Oct 04, 07:17

  Let me do the neccessary calculations.
  
  Your basic startup cost should be near to at minimum 50k to 150k.
  
  Lease is 1 year, License is 1 year. That makes you tied down to 1 year.
  
  Considering very bad business for one year. You'll need 150k to sustain the bizness.
  
  If you're going thru a franchise program you'll need around 75k to 120k.
• Nelstar

  15 Oct 04, 07:23

  1 Staff at 1.2k per month, after cpf, 1.4k. (considering you work for free)
  1.4k x 12 = 16.8k
  Rent in a place (non-prime land) = 3k monthly
  Rent in a place (prime land) = 10k monthly
  Taking that you go for non-prime land... 3 x 12 = 36k.
  
  Basically 53k gone.
  
  Renovation 20k.
  
  Ingredients, furniture, utensils, kitchenware, electrical appliances, loose charge, POS system. 10k
  
  Minimum start up cost is near to 80k.
  
  Please remember that this must be in cash, not assets nor properties. Bank loans will further make it hard to make ends meet.
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 07:24

  Originally posted by Nelstar:

  Let me do the neccessary calculations.
  
  Your basic startup cost should be near to at minimum 50k to 150k.
  
  Lease is 1 year, License is 1 year. That makes you tied down to 1 year.
  
  Considering very bad business for one year. You'll need 150k to sustain the bizness.
  
  If you're going thru a franchise program you'll need around 75k to 120k.

  dats y i need to work first la...then after i have enuff savings, i mite consider opening my own shop
  
  i.c.y
• Nelstar

  15 Oct 04, 07:28

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  dats y i need to work first la...then after i have enuff savings, i mite consider opening my own shop
  
  i.c.y

  Basically it takes a lot of expertise on Cafeteria and Restaurants.
  
  Menu, Design and Ambience are 3 important point to note.
  
  Prices should be revised according to the market rates to meet competitiveness.
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 07:29

  Originally posted by Nelstar:

  Basically it takes a lot of expertise on Cafeteria and Restaurants.
  
  Menu, Design and Ambience are 3 important point to note.
  
  Prices should be revised according to the market rates to meet competitiveness.

  haha this is just my daydream la...not necessarily will come true oso...
  
  i.c.y
• Nelstar

  15 Oct 04, 07:34

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  haha this is just my daydream la...not necessarily will come true oso...
  
  i.c.y

  Work towards it. It can always be an opportunity.
  
  Interest generates motivation.
  
  Motivation brings success.
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 07:37

  Originally posted by Nelstar:

  Work towards it. It can always be an opportunity.
  
  Interest generates motivation.
  
  Motivation brings success.

  
  
  thanks for the encouragement.
  
  i.c.y
• Nelstar

  15 Oct 04, 07:39

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  
  
  thanks for the encouragement.
  
  i.c.y

  People who succeed are people who knows what they are aiming for.
  
  Because they will know when they start to fall short.
  
  To realise a dream, start aiming at specific goals. Success doesnt come around one day.
  
  Good luck.
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 07:44

  Originally posted by Nelstar:

  People who succeed are people who knows what they are aiming for.
  
  Because they will know when they start to fall short.
  
  To realise a dream, start aiming at specific goals. Success doesnt come around one day.
  
  Good luck.

  hehe...dunno leh...my parents wud prolly kill me..like wasting my degree like dat eh...
  
  go so far study then come back to open a coffeehouse...
  
  i.c.y
• Nelstar

  15 Oct 04, 07:46

  Originally posted by icyprincess:

  hehe...dunno leh...my parents wud prolly kill me..like wasting my degree like dat eh...
  
  go so far study then come back to open a coffeehouse...
  
  i.c.y

  You let them set goals for you?
  
  I think that if you succeed, you will gain a lot lor.... much more than working under a company.
  
  At least you're at the helm making the decisions.
• icyprincess

  15 Oct 04, 07:47

  Originally posted by Nelstar:

  You let them set goals for you?
  
  I think that if you succeed, you will gain a lot lor.... much more than working under a company.
  
  At least you're at the helm making the decisions.

  i wud make the decision for myself la...but scared mite need help from em financially ma...sure they wun support me one...so will be hard to get money from em...
  
  i.c.y
• OrneryBoy

  15 Oct 04, 08:13

  you're not the only one who thinks that...
  
  my classmate and I even fantasied about having a own cafe... design of the house already pop into our minds... (design kept for patent)
  
  maybe that will happen after 20 more years...