Chinese History & Poetry
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scandals...i like tooOriginally posted by missqi:yes!
scandalous!
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i like!
Ok dun hijack the thread too much...go back to chinese history and poetry
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i only like some chinese poem like sotong po's that ming yue ji shi you, ba jiu wen qing tian that one.
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Technically speaking, that's not poem, its lyrics. I prefer lyrics to poems, especially the ones by Li Yu and Li Qingzhao. Poem wise, probably Li Bai's Jiang Jing Jiu and Bai Ju Yi's Chang Heng Ge.Originally posted by The man who was death:i only like some chinese poem like sotong po's that ming yue ji shi you, ba jiu wen qing tian that one.
I like Chinese history, especially Pre-Qin, 3 kingdom era and Qing - 54 period -
that's a poem by sudong po..Originally posted by wisefool83:Technically speaking, that's not poem, its lyrics. I prefer lyrics to poems, especially the ones by Li Yu and Li Qingzhao. Poem wise, probably Li Bai's Jiang Jing Jiu and Bai Ju Yi's Chang Heng Ge.
I like Chinese history, especially Pre-Qin, 3 kingdom era and Qing - 54 period
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Really? I always thought that it was a ci (lyrics) ,on the tune of Shui Diao Ge Tou, to start with. One that he wrote and sent it to his brother. I have never seen it's poem format. Could you send me or post the poem format online?Originally posted by The man who was death:that's a poem by sudong po..
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hehehehe on this topic... i'm proud to say I'm a Chinese wrapped in kantang skin... hahaha...
Love the language... good at it. And love the history, poems, stories.... studied Chinese history up from Qing to WW II... was tempted to buy this series of books that documented all the dynasties....kekekeke
As for empresses and concubines... i think Empress Dowager is the one that win hands down on cruelty to all who oppose her. Afterall, she did stuff Zhen Fei into a well that is no bigger than a pail.... imagine the crushed shoulders etc.... -
i dunno anything about shui diao ge tou and whether he wrote and sent it to his brother, i just know from the sec sch chinese textbook that it was a poem he compose when he was drinking and he was leaving or somebody was leaving or something.Originally posted by wisefool83:Really? I always thought that it was a ci (lyrics) ,on the tune of Shui Diao Ge Tou, to start with. One that he wrote and sent it to his brother. I have never seen it's poem format. Could you send me or post the poem format online?
i tot when u said lyrics, u were referring to deng li jun that song. sorrry if i got it wrong. that's why i posted the way i did above, i dun know abt the poem format, just read from chinese textbook that it was a poem he composed. -
oh, ok. Ci or lyrics, is a literature format that is popular during the late Tang and Song Dynasty. The reason why its different from poem is that it is "filled in" to a piece of tune, which in this case is Shui Diao Ge Tou. Basically quite like today's song and music, where you have piece of music score and someone fill in the lyrics. Ci is also often known as Shi Yu, or remains of poem, which is because lyricist quite often attached certain extra words to an established poem to make it fit into a certain tune. In Singapore's textbook, if you come across a "poem like" thingy that is written by anyone in the Song Dynasty like Sudong Po, Li Yu, Li Qingzhao, Yue Fei blar blar blar, chances are, you have come across a ci or lyrics.Originally posted by The man who was death:i dunno anything about shui diao ge tou and whether he wrote and sent it to his brother, i just know from the sec sch chinese textbook that it was a poem he compose when he was drinking and he was leaving or somebody was leaving or something.
i tot when u said lyrics, u were referring to deng li jun that song. sorrry if i got it wrong. that's why i posted the way i did above, i dun know abt the poem format, just read from chinese textbook that it was a poem he composed. -
ohh....i see...Originally posted by wisefool83:oh, ok. Ci or lyrics, is a literature format that is popular during the late Tang and Song Dynasty. The reason why its different from poem is that it is "filled in" to a piece of tune, which in this case is Shui Diao Ge Tou. Basically quite like today's song and music, where you have piece of music score and someone fill in the lyrics. Ci is also often known as Shi Yu, or remains of poem, which is because lyricist quite often attached certain extra words to an established poem to make it fit into a certain tune. In Singapore's textbook, if you come across a "poem like" thingy that is written by anyone in the Song Dynasty like Sudong Po, Li Yu, Li Qingzhao, Yue Fei blar blar blar, chances are, you have come across a ci or lyrics. -
Hi, i do remember about the poetess Cai Wenji who lived during the Three Kingdoms period. She played the ancient musical instrument hujia and composed her most famous piece Eighteen Laments Sung To A Hujia, which was about the suffering of the people during the Three Kingdoms period. There was also Cao Zhi, son of Cao Cao who composed the Quatrain of Seven Steps which moved his brother Cao Pi to tears and spared his life.
This is the translation of Cai Wenji's piece
Eighteen Laments Sung To A Hujia
At the time of my birth, the land was at peace,
But later, the Han Dynasty fell into decline.
Heaven is unkind, allowing wars, suffering, separation;
Earth is unkind, that I should have to live at such a time.
Weapons of war are everywhere, making the roads perilous.
Soldiers and people fleeing to exile, suffering together.
The land, billowing clouds of smoke and dust, is a prisoner of the Hu.
Integrity and willpower have disappeared.
I cannot accept the vulgar barbarous customs,
Humiliated and abused, to whom can I turn?
I sing to my hujia and qin,
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well I translate written material on a professional basis, and I translate chinese poetry for leisure as well.
In fact, I took Chinese Lit as a major before. So ya....
Even if I sound kentang (Deadpoet will know!) inside.. I'm alllll chinese! -
Hi Pee-Pee Brain, can you please interpret this exact for us? Do we need read chinese history well before we can appreciate chinese poetry?Originally posted by peebrain:well I translate written material on a professional basis, and I translate chinese poetry for leisure as well.
In fact, I took Chinese Lit as a major before. So ya....
Even if I sound kentang (Deadpoet will know!) inside.. I'm alllll chinese!
An Empty Purse
Though bitter, juniper berries are food
For immortals, and cirrus flushed with morning
Light. But people are common things,
These tangles of trouble my only life:
A frozen well each morning and no stove,
Cold nights without quilts Â… In fear
Of shame an empty purse brings, I hold
In mine this one coin I keep, peering in.
(Taken from The Selected Poems of Tu Fu,
Translated by David Hinton)