The old never understand the young
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Is that so? To me, it is jus their way of thinking, they live in a diff times unlike us, if only they can be exposed to our thinking and feeling, understanding isn't a problem at all.
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i dont think this is true. the issue here is not about who not being able to understand who.
rather, i think this is an excuse ppl use for not communicating or for poor communication. there is always this mindset and mental model in both parties when an old speak to the young, based on not too rational things like appearance and perception.
in the end, if both parties are willing to communicate and are able to do so well without any preconceived notion, understanding is never a problem.
so the crux of the issue is communication. -
Don't blame the old. It's your error that you failed to grasp what the old is teaching and has faced.
It's not that they don't understand you, it's you that doesn't understand them. Are you working to feed your family? Are you facing hardships in work? Have you faced the problem of working to feed more than one mouths? Have you ever faced the hardship of having ridiculous superiors at work that demands more but always give less? Do you understand that difficulty they faced by humbling themselves before their employers and supervisors so that they can feed you.
Then you might see their many reasons why you should do well, should not waste time etc. If you failed to grasp that money is hard to earn, you will probably not understand them. They expects results, they expects their children to get a better life, to have fewer difficulties than what they are facing now. They don't want their children to miss the benefits of education, they don't want their children to indulge in relationship and end up screwing everything in their lives.
You don't understand them, not they don't understand you. -
::claps::Originally posted by Nelstar:Don't blame the old. It's your error that you failed to grasp what the old is teaching and has faced.
It's not that they don't understand you, it's you that doesn't understand them. Are you working to feed your family? Are you facing hardships in work? Have you faced the problem of working to feed more than one mouths? Have you ever faced the hardship of having ridiculous superiors at work that demands more but always give less? Do you understand that difficulty they faced by humbling themselves before their employers and supervisors so that they can feed you.
Then you might see their many reasons why you should do well, should not waste time etc. If you failed to grasp that money is hard to earn, you will probably not understand them. They expects results, they expects their children to get a better life, to have fewer difficulties than what they are facing now. They don't want their children to miss the benefits of education, they don't want their children to indulge in relationship and end up screwing everything in their lives.
You don't understand them, not they don't understand you.
Well said there Nelstar.
Seriously, teens nowadays should really look from the other perspective. More often than not we are too narrow minded and our refusal to see past anything we have done renders our view to just a limited scope.Which seriously undermines any sort of effective communication
Or was there any communication in the first place... Then again...
So what should be done? I would suppose throwing them into situations at work. Learning the hard way. Too many are too spoilt and do not realise there is more to life than just whiling time away, wasting money and living life on the edge. Do they realise what is the future they are going to have if they continue to do so? I seriously doubt so.
So time for a serious re-think in ur attitudes and actions guys...
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Totally...
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tats why we hav such a thing called generation gap.
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When I was twelve,
I lived in a world by myself.
I learnt to appreciate the opposite gender,
Like a new mare on a canter.
When I was fourteen,
A hell of havoc I've been.
My hair is twisted beyond recognition,
And I couldn't be bothered with my education.
There were stars I idolize,
The familiar faces on TV we recognize.
Those were the days of he and she,
The days we yearned to be free.
When I was four years before twenty,
The buddies I had were plenty.
Always together and always there together,
Doing stupidiest of things I can remember.
We fought, we bit, also did pull and tussle,
Exams and tests were always a hassle.
We cheated, we stole, we smoke and drank,
Copied homeworks in class and full of pranks.
When we're seventeen and eighteen in college,
My grand passed away due to old age.
Never a tear I shed at their wake,
My parents crying enough to fill a lake.
Later the 'he and she' parted ways,
Tears rolled down and I cried many days.
Nothing was wrong, no one was wrong,
Except that we don't belong.
Then the day came when I start to work,
My boss was nothing but a jerk.
My pay was peanuts and my work endless,
The toughest time I had as the working class. -
Wah......a real neat piece of work!Originally posted by Nelstar:When I was twelve,
I lived in a world by myself.
I learnt to appreciate the opposite gender,
Like a new mare on a canter.
When I was fourteen,
A hell of havoc I've been.
My hair is twisted beyond recognition,
And I couldn't be bothered with my education.
There were stars I idolize,
The familiar faces on TV we recognize.
Those were the days of he and she,
The days we yearned to be free.
When I was four years before twenty,
The buddies I had were plenty.
Always together and always there together,
Doing stupidiest of things I can remember.
We fought, we bit, also did pull and tussle,
Exams and tests were always a hassle.
We cheated, we stole, we smoke and drank,
Copied homeworks in class and full of pranks.
When we're seventeen and eighteen in college,
My grand passed away due to old age.
Never a tear I shed at their wake,
My parents crying enough to fill a lake.
Later the 'he and she' parted ways,
Tears rolled down and I cried many days.
Nothing was wrong, no one was wrong,
Except that we don't belong.
Then the day came when I start to work,
My boss was nothing but a jerk.
My pay was peanuts and my work endless,
The toughest time I had as the working class.
*gu zhang gu zhang*
did u write this urself? -
just written. Haven't named it yet.Originally posted by loudmonkey:Wah......a real neat piece of work!
*gu zhang gu zhang*
did u write this urself?
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just written. Haven't named it yet.Originally posted by loudmonkey:Wah......a real neat piece of work!
*gu zhang gu zhang*
did u write this urself? -
Apt description, youths these days are full of apathy, deceit, insolence and themselves...
What's the problem then? The education system? The 'Westernization' of this place?
I feel really disgusted though at times, awed, by their behaviour towards their elders, studies etc. Their behaviour in public is at times disgraceful and annoying.
What ever happened to our youths of yesteryears?
Is this the erosion of values? Are our parents too lax in inculcating values and morals?
Personally, I believe the handing over of paternal duties to maids and other child care agencies are the mitigating factors.
For all we know, our children will be speaking Tagalog and Bahasa Indonesia instead of Chinese dialects if we continue concentrating on paper qualifications.
The ideology of a Renaissance city will just crumble to dust should we allow this to proliferate. -
The youths of yesteryears will not reappear. Unless something is changed to bring them back.Originally posted by Misogynist:Apt description, youths these days are full of apathy, deceit, insolence and themselves...
What's the problem then? The education system? The 'Westernization' of this place?
I feel really disgusted though at times, awed, by their behaviour towards their elders, studies etc. Their behaviour in public is at times disgraceful and annoying.
What ever happened to our youths of yesteryears?
Is this the erosion of values? Are our parents too lax in inculcating values and morals?
Personally, I believe the handing over of paternal duties to maids and other child care agencies are the mitigating factors.
For all we know, our children will be speaking Tagalog and Bahasa Indonesia instead of Chinese dialects if we continue concentrating on paper qualifications.
The ideology of a Renaissance city will just crumble to dust should we allow this to proliferate.
Modern society has incalcated beliefs that there is a need for the pursual of material and monetary benefits. Modern living has raised their standard of living, thereby making them believe that what WAS a want automatically becomes a need, which is not true!
Therefore, you see young kids walking around with expensive handphones, and they are barely 14!
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Actually, when these young kids grow up, they will probably learn from their mistakes and regret. Life is too short for regrets, that's why we want them to learn before they actually experience it themselves. However, it's always hard to teach one a lesson that one had no experience in.Originally posted by deathscythe99:The youths of yesteryears will not reappear. Unless something is changed to bring them back.
Modern society has incalcated beliefs that there is a need for the pursual of material and monetary benefits. Modern living has raised their standard of living, thereby making them believe that what WAS a want automatically becomes a need, which is not true!
Therefore, you see young kids walking around with expensive handphones, and they are barely 14!
Do you remember those days you gotta boil water and mix with starch to make glue?
Damn, a bottle was like forty cents and we had to make our own glue from starch. That's how poor we were. -
Likewise, The young never understand the old.
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I remebered a quote from one of the netizens here.
"Life is real time without any re-runs." -
Heavy hand and hurtful criticism won't help youth
I AM greatly distressed and discouraged by Ms Tan Lin Neo's condemnation of Singapore's teenagers as a 'bunch of softies' and her disapproving comments about the 'quality' of today's youngsters ('Don't let cushy environment ruin our youth's future'; ST, May 24).
As a Singaporean teenager myself, I am deeply hurt by the seemingly never-ending criticism of youth from all quarters.
What I find especially worrisome is Ms Tan's unwavering support for harsh punishment and firm discipline to 'instil the right values in our youngsters'.
She seems to equate the rise in freedom of speech with a loss of respect for elders. According to her, the greater freedom that the youth of today have seems to make us disrespectful, soft and ungrateful.
Her cure is for parents to 'reprimand and punish'. To her, the medicine for Singapore's social ills is to force the children to 'listen and obey' and, through that, learn the right values.
It is true that the youth of today are much more likely to voice their opinions than in the past. But does that mean we are disrespectful?
Does Ms Tan really advocate a return to the upholding of filial piety to the letter, with its attendant images of sullen children silently filing past adults, always in fear of being beaten for asking even harmless questions?
While I agree with her that perhaps we teenagers should express our opinions with greater tact and courtesy, there is an equal responsibility on the part of parents not to be too repressive. A question to authority need not necessarily be a questioning of authority.
I also agree that Singaporean teenagers are overly sheltered with maids and parents looking after their every need. But I disagree with Ms Tan's dire predictions that we will be left helpless without 'the fifties and sixties generation to guide us' and that we will be incapable of fending for ourselves.
Hundreds of Singaporeans are studying in overseas universities, and many of them grew up in precisely this kind of sheltered environment.
They face the enormous challenge of living alone far away from home, and not only survive but also grow increasingly independent.
These clueless teens - who, as Ms Tan insists, cannot fry an egg, nor wash their own clothes - seem to be doing pretty well on their own.
It is people like Ms Tan - who insist that a heavy hand and firm guidance are the only solution - who are responsible for perpetuating their very own dire prophecies.
How can we teenagers be expected to have any confidence in ourselves when our very elders (whom we are expected to respect and seek advice from) are unhesitating in doubting and condemning us?
The irony of the whole matter is that all these criticisms are born out of the fear of parents in letting go - they seem insistent on thefact that we can't take care of ourselves.
Sadly, harsh discipline, firm instruction, listening and obeying go only so far in teaching us how to survive in life. The rest has to be learnt, as they say, from the 'school of hard knocks'.
My belief is this: If the elders really want us to grow up, throw us in at the deep end of the pool and let us sink or swim. Cling to us and we'll drown.
CALEB LIU XILIANG
Oxford, Britain
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Why should they, do you understand them in the first place? Well, times change, people change, this question will always exists, people in the past too faced this problem, just wasn't brought into attention like today. Likewise, so will we face such problems with out kids in the future.Originally posted by Hocklez:Is that so? To me, it is jus their way of thinking, they live in a diff times unlike us, if only they can be exposed to our thinking and feeling, understanding isn't a problem at all. -
the old just dones't understand that the young are just better than them and are right, not the other way roundOriginally posted by Hocklez:Is that so? To me, it is jus their way of thinking, they live in a diff times unlike us, if only they can be exposed to our thinking and feeling, understanding isn't a problem at all. -
Originally posted by the.raven:the old just dones't understand that the young are just better than them and are right, not the other way round
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ok, now that is just plain childish thinking...Originally posted by the.raven:the old just dones't understand that the young are just better than them and are right, not the other way round -
u are not an adult yet? no children? heh, can sense that from ur words.Originally posted by the.raven:the old just dones't understand that the young are just better than them and are right, not the other way round -
ya rite. both don understand each other we should say. wat can be do to help?Originally posted by s0meb0dy:Likewise, The young never understand the old. -
it can't be helped. it happens every generation.Originally posted by Hocklez:ya rite. both don understand each other we should say. wat can be do to help? -
Youth club to boost ties between generations
By Ted Chen, TODAY
SINGAPORE : Getting grandparents to go on food hunts across Singapore with their grandchildren is the answer to family bonding.
So says a youth volunteer group, and it will get $1,600 of funding from the Citibank's Citigroup Foundation to develop a business idea around this premise.
The Youth Culture Club (YCC), one of 50 four-member groups among 200 volunteers participating in this year's Citibank Youth for Causes (CYFC) programme, plans to sell cards and discount booklets to members of the public.
These will be their ticket to 20 restaurants in places like Chinatown and Little India where they can vote for Singapore's best local dishes.
Plans also include a food bazaar in which restaurants and cardholders can participate to raise funds for charity.
Proceeds will be donated to an as-yet unnamed elderly charity group.
Group leader Mr Radin Hassan, 31, explained: "Usually, the relationship between grandparents and grandchildren is better because grandparents tend to be more lenient. Their involvement can help parents bond with their children."
Mrs Tan Chee Koon, executive director of the National Volunteer and Philanthropy Centre and one of the seven judges who selected the YCC for the programme, said the judges found the group's project appealing because it "aimed at strengthening inter-generational ties, when youths often tend to want to group with other youths".
The CYFC programme is a social venture capital fund started by Citibank and YMCA Singapore in 2002.
The Citigroup Foundation will provide $80,000 worth of seed funding to the volunteers - aged between 15 and 35 - who will develop business ideas and raise funds for 29 volunteer welfare organisations over a 10-week period starting from May 29. - TODAY
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opportunities for communication - hopefully to lead to better understanding?