pathetic loser.
must be la..
cos he just went for investigation..
In essence, TS, I summarize for you:
who has the final say on the proceedings will depend on two things:
1) nature and classification of the offence disclosed, and
2) the type of investigation currently being conducted.
If it is a Magistrate's Complaint that is being lodged, then the final decision will lie with the complainant .
If it is a formal Police-initiated investigation, then good luck to your friend. Because in such cases, final decision will lie with AGC.
But even for Magistrate's Complaints, the Magistrate can use his / her discretion to intervene if he / she deems it necessary.
And for what it is worth, have you ever heard of this saying when it concerns legal matters?
"He who defends himself has a fool for a client."
If TS is indeed asking for a friend.
And his earlier thread about police investigation asking him 'stupid questions' is related.
Two particular question didnt appear significant to the TS, but was to me.
1) Did you make a police report you lost your nric?
2) Tell me about yourself?
Reasoning 1) IO was trying to give chance to TS, by suggesting that TS lost his NRIC and someone used his NRIC to register a phone line to send out those SMSes.
2) IO was trying to establish how 'stupid when bored' the TS is. To justify helping to drop the investigation since its such a 'bo liao case'.
Originally posted by Tiggerific:In essence, TS, I summarize for you:
who has the final say on the proceedings will depend on two things:
1) nature and classification of the offence disclosed, and
2) the type of investigation currently being conducted.
If it is a Magistrate's Complaint that is being lodged, then the final decision will lie with the complainant .
If it is a formal Police-initiated investigation, then good luck to your friend. Because in such cases, final decision will lie with AGC.
But even for Magistrate's Complaints, the Magistrate can use his / her discretion to intervene if he / she deems it necessary.
And for what it is worth, have you ever heard of this saying when it concerns legal matters?
"He who defends himself has a fool for a client."
The police claims that it is a police-initiated investigation. My friend even call AGC up to check if there is a complain against him.
AGC says there is no record of any complains against him. Most likely the policeman is lieing to try to scare my friend.
so what is the case now?
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:If TS is indeed asking for a friend.
And his earlier thread about police investigation asking him 'stupid questions' is related.
Two particular question didnt appear significant to the TS, but was to me.
1) Did you make a police report you lost your nric?
2) Tell me about yourself?
Reasoning 1) IO was trying to give chance to TS, by suggesting that TS lost his NRIC and someone used his NRIC to register a phone line to send out those SMSes.
2) IO was trying to establish how 'stupid when bored' the TS is. To justify helping to drop the investigation since its such a 'bo liao case'.
Ya it is related.
Actually that person was my friend not me.
1. Not possible. Because the police can find out the place which the phone line was registered. There is cctv camera at that shop so they can go and check it and see my friend face on that day buying the hi card so they will know he is lieing.
2. From the way the IO questioned my friend, it is obvious that the IO wants to get him into trouble and not to help him to drop the case. I did not mention what the policeman says in that previous thread which justifies that he was trying to get my friend into trouble..
Originally posted by Tiggerific:In essence, TS, I summarize for you:
who has the final say on the proceedings will depend on two things:
1) nature and classification of the offence disclosed, and
2) the type of investigation currently being conducted.
If it is a Magistrate's Complaint that is being lodged, then the final decision will lie with the complainant .
If it is a formal Police-initiated investigation, then good luck to your friend. Because in such cases, final decision will lie with AGC.
But even for Magistrate's Complaints, the Magistrate can use his / her discretion to intervene if he / she deems it necessary.
And for what it is worth, have you ever heard of this saying when it concerns legal matters?
"He who defends himself has a fool for a client."
How to find out if its a Magistrate complaint or police-initiated investigation?
My friend even call AGC up to check. They checked his name and they say there are no records on him.
AGC tells him whether its Magistrate complaint or police-initiated investigation is all depend on how the IO wants to classify it as..
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Did the police say it to you? Or you were within ear range when it was mentioned to you.
To be frank with you..
When the IO was questioning my friend, he secretly recorded it down without the IO knowing and he let me hear the recording after that so I am know perfectly everything about the case even though I was not present..
Originally posted by 8800:To be frank with you..
When the IO was questioning my friend, he secretly recorded it down without the IO knowing and he let me hear the recording after that so I am know perfectly everything about the case even though I was not present..
I don't think its legal for ur friend to record the conv down so unless its really essential, better not expose this recording or it might be another charge on him
Originally posted by 8800:To be frank with you..
When the IO was questioning my friend, he secretly recorded it down without the IO knowing and he let me hear the recording after that so I am know perfectly everything about the case even though I was not present..
I am amazed that your friend still has the mood to record down the conversation!! I tot it is always the other way round!! Your friend should be trying his best defend himself to get off the hook instead!!
Anyway what is the purpose of recording down for? It seems that your friend can predict beforehand that the policeman will ask stupid questions so he record it down!! Really a drama leh!!
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:If TS is indeed asking for a friend.
And his earlier thread about police investigation asking him 'stupid questions' is related.
Two particular question didnt appear significant to the TS, but was to me.
1) Did you make a police report you lost your nric?
2) Tell me about yourself?
Reasoning 1) IO was trying to give chance to TS, by suggesting that TS lost his NRIC and someone used his NRIC to register a phone line to send out those SMSes.
2) IO was trying to establish how 'stupid when bored' the TS is. To justify helping to drop the investigation since its such a 'bo liao case'.
another reason to ask if he had lodged the report before, is that if the TS were to say no when the answer is in fact "yes", then it would have affected his credibility as an informant, and as a person.
Originally posted by dkcx:I don't think its legal for ur friend to record the conv down so unless its really essential, better not expose this recording or it might be another charge on him
yup true. because everything that goes on in that room is bound by the Official Secrets Act. If TS' friend is found to be in possession of the recording, or if he were to broadcast it or let unauthorized people listen to it, then an offence under this act would have already been disclosed.
Originally posted by 8800:How to find out if its a Magistrate complaint or police-initiated investigation?
My friend even call AGC up to check. They checked his name and they say there are no records on him.
AGC tells him whether its Magistrate complaint or police-initiated investigation is all depend on how the IO wants to classify it as..
Whether it is a Magistrate's Complaint or Police-initiated investigation will depend, in part, on the case classification. You can get your friend to ask the IO and see what he tells your friend.
Also, I find it quite hard to believe that AGC would tell your friend, over the phone, that they have checked and there are no records on him. This is not how AGC does things. Mainly because over the phone, you are unable to verify the authenticity of the caller.
Originally posted by Tiggerific:Whether it is a Magistrate's Complaint or Police-initiated investigation will depend, in part, on the case classification. You can get your friend to ask the IO and see what he tells your friend.
Also, I find it quite hard to believe that AGC would tell your friend, over the phone, that they have checked and there are no records on him. This is not how AGC does things. Mainly because over the phone, you are unable to verify the authenticity of the caller.
The IO says its Police-initiated investigation but he could be lieing. Because if he were to say that it is a Magistrate's complaint than that person may not be afraid and don't say the true.
Its the truth that my friend have called AGC. I was just beside him and I heard the conversation. AGC only ask him for the IO name and which police station the IO was from. My friend gave her his name and she checked and told him there are no records on him, possibily the IO have not submitted the case to AGC yet. My friend offered to give his NRIC number for her to check but she say just need his name will do.
Meaning that its possible that the IO just ask my friend down for questioning. He haven't decide whether anot to bring the case to AGC and he bluff my friend to scare him
Originally posted by Tiggerific:another reason to ask if he had lodged the report before, is that if the TS were to say no when the answer is in fact "yes", then it would have affected his credibility as an informant, and as a person.
If he say no, than considered as giving false information to police which is a chargeable offence?
Another thing to note of.
the IO actually recorded down the statement using pen and paper and than my friend signed on it.
When my friend ask him why it is not typed out, he say his labtop is spoilt.
Very lame leh. Even if labtop spoild there are so many computers in the police station. He cannot just use any 1 of them to type meh.
And police statement should be typed and saved into the system 1 mah. where got write down on paper de
Originally posted by Singmarine:
I am amazed that your friend still has the mood to record down the conversation!! I tot it is always the other way round!! Your friend should be trying his best defend himself to get off the hook instead!!
Anyway what is the purpose of recording down for? It seems that your friend can predict beforehand that the policeman will ask stupid questions so he record it down!! Really a drama leh!!
He is recording it down in case the policeman threaten him. Than he will have evidence to make a complain aginst the policeman
Originally posted by 8800:He is recording it down in case the policeman threaten him. Than he will have evidence to make a complain aginst the policeman
After he did something wrong and he still wants get into more trouble then i would say he will deserve it if he gets charged.
The intentions of recording a conv is wrong already regardless your reasons especially in a police setting.
Originally posted by 8800:The IO says its Police-initiated investigation but he could be lieing. Because if he were to say that it is a Magistrate's complaint than that person may not be afraid and don't say the true.
Its the truth that my friend have called AGC. I was just beside him and I heard the conversation. AGC only ask him for the IO name and which police station the IO was from. My friend gave her his name and she checked and told him there are no records on him, possibily the IO have not submitted the case to AGC yet. My friend offered to give his NRIC number for her to check but she say just need his name will do.
Meaning that its possible that the IO just ask my friend down for questioning. He haven't decide whether anot to bring the case to AGC and he bluff my friend to scare him
that's where you are wrong mate. If your friend has been called to assist in investigations, that means a report has already been filed and proceedings are already underway. And all of such investigations will involve liaison between the Police and the AGC. The only explanation could be that the file itself is still with the Police, to be reverted to AGC when requested.
And the only difference in Magistrate's Complaints and Police-Initiated investigations is the nature of the commencement of the investigation. Such investigations will only commence if an offence has already been disclosed. So your theory that the person might not be scared if it is a Magistrate's Complaint is totally wrong, because at the end of the day, if your friend is found guilty of any offence, he will be punished accordingly.
Originally posted by 8800:Another thing to note of.
the IO actually recorded down the statement using pen and paper and than my friend signed on it.
When my friend ask him why it is not typed out, he say his labtop is spoilt.
Very lame leh. Even if labtop spoild there are so many computers in the police station. He cannot just use any 1 of them to type meh.
And police statement should be typed and saved into the system 1 mah. where got write down on paper de
if your friends says no and is found out to be lying, then it kind of tells you how cooperative or reliable he is, isn't he? which would then inevitably affect his credibility, not to mention that of his testimony. giving false information happens when your friend signs the statement, and upon further investigation, it is established that your friend had lied in the statement. then an offence under sec 182 of the penal code would have been disclosed.
and for what it is worth, statements are ALWAYS handwritten. it is only after that that the statement will be keyed into the system, to be saved and reproduced as a copy when the need arises.
Originally posted by 8800:He is recording it down in case the policeman threaten him. Than he will have evidence to make a complain aginst the policeman
all interview rooms have a CCTV, which also captures sound. and no unauthorized recording devices are allowed to be used in police establishments, which are Protected Places. If your friend wants to complain, by all means.
But if the recording he made is uncovered, then good luck to him.
Originally posted by Tiggerific:that's where you are wrong mate. If your friend has been called to assist in investigations, that means a report has already been filed and proceedings are already underway. And all of such investigations will involve liaison between the Police and the AGC. The only explanation could be that the file itself is still with the Police, to be reverted to AGC when requested.
Ya. A report is definetly filed when the police ask him down for investigation. But it could be a Magistrate complain and not a police-initated report?
Because even for Magistrate complain the person will still be called down by the police for investigation.
And if its a Magistrate complain, than AGC won't be involved. The liasion will only be between the police and the victim right? That could explain why when he call AGC they say there is no record..
So if the IO decides to help my friend, he can don't submit the case to AGC? He can just ask the victim and my friend down for a chat to solve the problem peacefully too and than don't submit the case to AGC?
Originally posted by 8800:Ya. A report is definetly filed when the police ask him down for investigation. But it could be a Magistrate complain and not a police-initated report?
Because even for Magistrate complain the person will still be called down by the police for investigation.
And if its a Magistrate complain, than AGC won't be involved. The liasion will only be between the police and the victim right? That could explain why when he call AGC they say there is no record..
So if the IO decides to help my friend, he can don't submit the case to AGC? He can just ask the victim and my friend down for a chat to solve the problem peacefully too and than don't submit the case to AGC?
1)You need to ask your friend to check the classification of the report.
2)If the complainant decides to pursue the matter, investigations will be carried out as instructions given by the magistrate.
3)The liasion will not be only between the victim and the police. Investigations carried out will be brought forward to the magistrate for his judgement. So there will be a mag. file and a record.
4)If complainant does wish to pursue the case, she would need to proceed down to subt. court to make a mag. complaint. Case would be brought forward to the magistrate in which the magistrate would give police special powers to do the necessary investigations. Unless if she does not, it would be for record purposes.
Originally posted by Q.C.Pak:
1)You need to ask your friend to check the classification of the report.2)If the complainant decides to pursue the matter, investigations will be carried out as instructions given by the magistrate.
3)The liasion will not be only between the victim and the police. Investigations carried out will be brought forward to the magistrate for his judgement. So there will be a mag. file and a record.
4)If complainant does wish to pursue the case, she would need to proceed down to subt. court to make a mag. complaint. Case would be brought forward to the magistrate in which the magistrate would give police special powers to do the necessary investigations. Unless if she does not, it would be for record purposes.
1. How is he suppose to check the classification of the report. Cos he don't believe the policeman.
2. What I am saying is that tiggerific say that it is a AGC case that is why the police ask my friend down for investigation.
I am saying that police ask him down for investigation doesn't mean that it is AGC case as even for Magistrate case the police will still ask him down for investigation
3. That is if the victim wants to bring the case to the magistrate court. if not than it will just be liasion between police and victim.
4 That means if the victim and police decide not to pursue the case, they can don't inform AGC and there is no need to go to court