Lets break the ice, let SPF runs NDP show.
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Originally posted by Tiggerific:
How about attending to every single 999 call? Drug busts? Illegal parking? Illegal entries? Smuggling cases? An assortment of thefts? Housebreaking cases? Robberies? Murders? Fights? Assault cases? Disputes? Death Cases, natural or otherwise? Court Cases? Public Order incidences? VIP protection? Ambulance needed cases?
On top of Police assistance required cases - cat stuck on tree, people's life problems, locked outside one's own house, clearing items on the road... etc.
If only you knew what the Police have a hand in attending.
But you don't.
Ignorance is bliss.
finally...someone who understands...
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hallo hallo...did i explicitly say that police have it easier...in fact i think i may have suggested the opposite man...
After reading your post i respect the police force so much more...must be tough removing people's cat from the tree.....do police even respond to such requests? Really bao ka liao...-salute- i know my mistake already...thank God my sargeant never ask me to do all this sai kang...i realised my mistake. SPF is more xiong. Maybe i should join, i like challenges...you all accept people with record?
EDIT-btw tiggerific...MSK escaped from an ISD facility..but i believe he was under the watch of 2 gurkhas during his escape...now i'm confused. Gurkhas are ISD or SPF?
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home team gurkhas under ISD charge?
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nope. who say gurkhas one? gurkha helped in the search. if you want to know about what happen, read the report by the MP, or get summary from wiki or google.
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you guys can argue on forever and it still wont be resolved. why? it all boils down to the lack of understanding! so i say learn the ways of both the saf and the spf then perhaps by then everyone will have a clearer perspective of both. and hopefully there wont be a need for this "debate" to go on...
no one can deny the contributions made by the saf and spf to the safety and security of sg. the escape of MSK was not a competition btw the saf and the spf to see who could catch him first or who slogged harder, rather it was a joint effort by both organisations to protect our country. by saying that the infantrymen doing all the work and the POs slacking issnt exactly fair. if you do remember, SOC troopers did go knocking on door to door at foreign worker's domitary and gurkhas(and SOC too?) did join in the search in forested areas.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
hallo hallo...did i explicitly say that police have it easier...in fact i think i may have suggested the opposite man...
After reading your post i respect the police force so much more...must be tough removing people's cat from the tree.....do police even respond to such requests? Really bao ka liao...-salute- i know my mistake already...thank God my sargeant never ask me to do all this sai kang...i realised my mistake. SPF is more xiong. Maybe i should join, i like challenges...you all accept people with record?
EDIT-btw tiggerific...MSK escaped from an ISD facility..but i believe he was under the watch of 2 gurkhas during his escape...now i'm confused. Gurkhas are ISD or SPF?
Well, I didn't say that you explicitly said that police have it easier mate. In fact, I wasn't even trying to say what you were saying. To be honest, I was just trying to clarify certain matters about your earlier posts lah, which I had quoted. In addition to that, I just giving a slight insight to what the Police have to attend to in the course of their everyday duties.
On a side note, there are a lot of things attached to Police involvement [in terms of everyday incidents]. It's just that with dwindling manpower, those left behind are feeling the strain.
And even if you don't do sai kang that the SPF do, I'm sure that there will be other types of sai kang for your sergeant to 'arrow' you to do. Sai kang has always been, and will always be, a part of any uniformed organization, no?
And if you'd like to join, you can always apply. Acceptance is subject to manpower department lor. Sometimes one's record might not be as serious as one might think...
But anyway, back to the topic at hand [or specifically, your question].
Gurkhas are part of the SPF. However, their training is all done separately, and is more of a military nature actually. If you were on Pulau Tekong during your BMT stint, you might see them from time to time, training.
Anyway, Gurkhas are placed in State institutions where people are held in protective custody i.e. ISD detention centre, Prisons, DRCs, etc.
PS: Anyone with more intimate knowledge of such places, do correct me if I'm wrong.
But generally, the Gurkhas are stationed at such places to help keep watch over the people held in custody. So they help out a number of different agencies actually.
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Originally posted by Tiggerific:
Well, I didn't say that you explicitly said that police have it easier mate. In fact, I wasn't even trying to say what you were saying. To be honest, I was just trying to clarify certain matters about your earlier posts lah, which I had quoted. In addition to that, I just giving a slight insight to what the Police have to attend to in the course of their everyday duties.
On a side note, there are a lot of things attached to Police involvement [in terms of everyday incidents]. It's just that with dwindling manpower, those left behind are feeling the strain.
And even if you don't do sai kang that the SPF do, I'm sure that there will be other types of sai kang for your sergeant to 'arrow' you to do. Sai kang has always been, and will always be, a part of any uniformed organization, no?
And if you'd like to join, you can always apply. Acceptance is subject to manpower department lor. Sometimes one's record might not be as serious as one might think...
But anyway, back to the topic at hand [or specifically, your question].
Gurkhas are part of the SPF. However, their training is all done separately, and is more of a military nature actually. If you were on Pulau Tekong during your BMT stint, you might see them from time to time, training.
Anyway, Gurkhas are placed in State institutions where people are held in protective custody i.e. ISD detention centre, Prisons, DRCs, etc.
PS: Anyone with more intimate knowledge of such places, do correct me if I'm wrong.
But generally, the Gurkhas are stationed at such places to help keep watch over the people held in custody. So they help out a number of different agencies actually.
Okay dude. Thanks for clearing that up. My antagonistic posts weren't really meant for you man. I didn't mean to condemn the whole SPF by my posts. They were only meant for the more guai lan ones. Cheers tiggerific!
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
Okay dude. Thanks for clearing that up. My antagonistic posts weren't really meant for you man. I didn't mean to condemn the whole SPF by my posts. They were only meant for the more guai lan ones. Cheers tiggerific!
laugh.......laughing......laughed....grinning.....Well boy, thank you for making me laugh.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
laugh.......laughing......laughed....grinning.....Well boy, thank you for making me laugh.
no problem, lau goh.
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not bad, you finally learn how to address your elders properly.
So whats next? You planning to continue your crusade against guai lan people or just the spf? It might sound small if you are only hero for the people who suffered at the hands of guai lan spf.
Try be a bigger hero. It will be more interesting to spf people when they know you are so errr.....heroic even without taking the oath to work like officers.
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Frankly, I am not against spf running the NDP, it wouldnt be any different of how the arm forces is running the NDP. its just a change of management.
Arm forces are still required to work under the SPF personnels in this way. It will be the same. And those spf personnels previously working in the NDP might be then promoted to a more recognised position when the arm orces personnels have to report to the spf.
of course, not to say the army fellas can anyhow do the NDP responsibilities. I understand that if any arm forces personnel was to slack, they will be be punish-able thru their commanders.
its already not uncommon that personnels helping to organise the NDP are all arm forces people. There is some that serve differently.
For instance, couple of officers in the arm forces deployment centre has a dual responsibility with the spf.
And spf personnels, some are from the arm forces.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
Okay dude. Thanks for clearing that up. My antagonistic posts weren't really meant for you man. I didn't mean to condemn the whole SPF by my posts. They were only meant for the more guai lan ones. Cheers tiggerific!
Haha... the pleasure's always mine mate. If you asked me, I'll say that the SPF is the most misunderstood entity in the whole of Singapore. I just hope that nobody takes anything for granted. After all, to summarize each department's role, I'd say that:
The SAF protects the nation from external threats [would-be intruders, etc]
The SCDF saves lives and properties
The SPF protects the nation from... itself. ;)
Anyway, it's just my interpretation.
We all have a part to play in keeping our nation safe. Let's just not take one another for granted.
Cheers to you as well. =)
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Originally posted by Tiggerific:
The SPF protects the nation from... itself. ;)
This line made me LOL.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Frankly, I am not against spf running the NDP, it wouldnt be any different of how the arm forces is running the NDP. its just a change of management.
Arm forces are still required to work under the SPF personnels in this way. It will be the same. And those spf personnels previously working in the NDP might be then promoted to a more recognised position when the arm orces personnels have to report to the spf.
of course, not to say the army fellas can anyhow do the NDP responsibilities. I understand that if any arm forces personnel was to slack, they will be be punish-able thru their commanders.
its already not uncommon that personnels helping to organise the NDP are all arm forces people. There is some that serve differently.
For instance, couple of officers in the arm forces deployment centre has a dual responsibility with the spf.
And spf personnels, some are from the arm forces.
Kit's right. Some people have dual appointments in both the SPF and SAF. Sometimes they get seconded around to a vast multitude of agencies, not just the uniformed ones.
But if you asked me... I'd say leave the NDP planning to the armed forces lah. Why? To me, it's a very simple matter of proportion. The SAF are the largest organization in the country. They are also the number one priority in Singapore [as compared to other departments]. With what they have, it's only right that they should take the lead for an occasions like this.
The SPF will do what it has always done: look after public order and domestic legal situations. Or situations with such attachments. Which is why it is the one leading events like IMF lah, IOC meeting lah, APEC, IISS and a variety of related summits, etc.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
This line made me LOL.
Haha. True mah. Deviant elements within the country are dealt with by the Police. So I suppose you can say that it is being protected from itself. Well, of sorts. Haha.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
not bad, you finally learn how to address your elders properly.
So whats next? You planning to continue your crusade against guai lan people or just the spf? It might sound small if you are only hero for the people who suffered at the hands of guai lan spf.
Try be a bigger hero. It will be more interesting to spf people when they know you are so errr.....heroic even without taking the oath to work like officers.
Its not a crusade....and i'm no hero. Never had a need to be one.
BTW,i also got take oath .... just that its diff from yours
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CPIB protects the nation from the police... and itself.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
BTW,i also got take oath .... just that its diff from yours
Really? Oath and pledge different? I go compare at wikipedia.Does anyhere remembers the Singapore pledge then?
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Really? Oath and pledge different? I go compare at wikipedia.Does anyhere remembers the Singapore pledge then?
my mistake. edited. eh you damn anal retentive arh!
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
my mistake. edited. eh you damn anal retentive arh!
you think everyone must think you arh? a bit naive leh.that reminds me....I havnt putt putt for 2 days liao, need to eat some laxative.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
CPIB protects the nation from the police... and itself.
Ah. You hit the spot. But only halfway though, I feel.
The CPIB does protect the nation from itself. And from greed too, hopefully. But I don't think it protects the nation from the Police though. We have internal standing orders, guidelines, and our own disciplinary measures to protect the people from bad apples in the SPF.
And there's also the courts too.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Really? Oath and pledge different? I go compare at wikipedia.Does anyhere remembers the Singapore pledge then?
Haha... Kit, don't be too harsh on the lad. Actually it's true lah. Oath is different. The SAF men have their own pledge, just like how we have the Police pledge. It's in addition to our national pledge mah.
I wonder if SCDF has its own pledge too. Should be, right? Haha.
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okok...i pang zui a bit lah.
hell babe, go check out wikipedia....its interesting to read.
oath is swearing to god.
wheres pledge does not require a deity.
In Court in Singapore, if you are christian in sg, you can swear on a bible.
for those non christen, they say 'I affirm" instead of 'I swear'.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
okok...i pang zui a bit lah.
hell babe, go check out wikipedia....its interesting to read.
oath is swearing to god.
wheres pledge does not require a deity.
In Court in Singapore, if you are christian in sg, you can swear on a bible.
for those non christen, they say 'I affirm" instead of 'I swear'.
SAF pledge is also known as oath of allegiance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_allegiance
QUOTE:An oath of allegiance is an oath whereby a subject or citizen acknowledges his/her duty of allegiance and swears loyalty to his monarch or country. In many modern oaths of allegiance, allegiance is sworn to the Constitution.
Regarding Pledge...since you like wiki, i paste for you.
Pledge
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look up pledge in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.A pledge is an oath.
