dont critisize sg police and law enforcers
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Originally posted by skythewood:
if a 93 year old woman commits murder, should we just let her go?
Or we should let her go because she is your grandmother, and it is a bother to bail her out?
The police will do their job. you think 93 year old is above the law, go change the law. if the law says 93 year old is above the law, confirm police won't touch her.
Look, murder is another thing altogether. I'm talking about A and you're talking about B. Why bring in a whole different analogy by stating one of the most heinous crime, when the little offence I've mentioned doesn't even hurt or harm anyone at all?
Of course, murder cannot be condone, regardless of the age, status and gender of the murderer. But pls, the level and seriousness of crime or offence should equate to the level of punishment being met out.
Oh yes. Nobody and definitely not me would say an elderly is above the law. Nobody is and I certainly did not imply that. Please use your goddamn brain. You're simply ridiculous. The things you said seriously sounds absurd.
Moreover, your lack of compassion speaks volume of your stinking character. (:
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Originally posted by rain-coat:
i think your grandmother is just unlucky to have met the stricter PO...did they handuff your grandmother? if they did then i also think they went overboard. like another forumer said, there are POs who just close one eye. see heng suay lor... who ask your grandmother to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...
yes. they did. How nice of 'em yea. And it's not a matter of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Those POs have simply nothing better to do. 'nuff said. -
My point is direct, even if it is extreme ==> no one is above the law.
I agree the level and seriousness of the crime should equate the punishment.
So did the police ill treat your grand mother or punish her extra?
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well singapore police force sure do a good job protection singapore
our crime rates are low which allow us to live in peace
if u compare our neighbours u will know
however we singapore are complain kings and proud and im sure every 1 in this form know about it.
its normally for small ppl like us to complains because in our eye
1 police = whole police force,
when 1 police does silly mistake, in our eye we see as the police force make a silly mistake
u dont see we mention Cpl bababa or sgt bababa do this do that
in the form its all this police that police . its natural
1 black sheep is enough to spoil the whole force image.
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Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Its a civil suit if you are willing to persue this matter. But most it can do is cut off his ability to register a line for handphone.Since you already got underworld friends to settle the issue instead of goign for it legally, why gripe now? Makes you sound superior?
Why would i need to settle for those underworld friends when there propely channels for me to go to. asking those guys to help isnt wat i wan but its the only fast choice i can go for.and they arnt cheap. consider i was just a teen at that time around late 10+its be because those propely channel simply dont wan to help or do anything
that police did tell me how they can go about it but will became civil suit in the end
he did tell me this will involve huge cost. and how troubleson it would became.
so u mean i should just live with it ??? been disturbed everyday by that ahbeng ???
and u seem very proud been a policeman yrself ?? in hokkian i call it u are haolian. yes u feel proud been a policeman ok that great. but most propely i "assume" u are just another simple timewasting police that sit in office all day or maybe drive out petroling a bit when its r scheldue. trying to show off yr rank or watever. ok maybe im wrong.maybe u are a reposible police trying to protect yr force.
im just a normal person trying live peacefully but when there trouble for me and i seek help from the force but was push with this and that can things couldnt be settle. so wat would u do ???? of cosue it to seek another way out .
i myself is from the Home Team also just for information.
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ah, a friend from the home team, thank you for your service to the security of the country.
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Maybe you've lost your faith in people, lost faith in PAP. But you must still be faithful to something. You must still care about something. Maybe we can't change what is.People can trample over us, make use of us.
But it is who we are and what we do. Duty to society. Keeping it safe utlimately for ourselves and our family and loved ones too.
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If u police officers, sincerely believe in your duty, u will gain satisfaction from your work even if u are getting a low salary.
Your duty is not only keeping society safe but strike fear in the hearts of evil doers.
Thats an Order!
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every night before you go to bed ask yourself, "can i sleep peacefully tonight?"
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i started this thread to motivate , encourage and set the priorities of POs right.To stay loyal to the oath they took.
Look at the Ghurkas, Loyalty and war in their blood. Follow their example.
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On 18 March 2004, three armed fugitives escaped from Johor, Malaysia after committing armed robbery, and fled by a motorised sampan to Pulau Tekong. Over 700 personnel from the police and the SAF were activated, with the first fugitive captured by the Gurkha officers within 34 hours from the commencement of the search operation. The second fugitive was arrested by the Police Coast Guard's Special Task Squadron officers, while the last man was again caught by the GC six hours after the second arrest
This is what we call striking fear.
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Problems occur when people join for the wrong reasons. Some people join the SPF for the wrong reasons. As such, it will be reflected in the quality of their work. But having said that, the SPF has also lost quite a number of people due to the nature of the job.
Most simply... can't be bothered to take all this c**p anymore. So they resign. Those that can still take it, stay.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many of these people around.
If you asked me, I'd say that nobody here can help a victim of a bad encounter with the police. The only thing you can do is to complain to the Service Improvement Unit. Depending on the circumstances, if the PO is at fault, action will be taken against him.
Point to note: as in all professions, there are bound to be some bad apples in the cart. Just don't be silly enough to taint them all with the same brush.
I've something to say though, with regards to the gambling issue brought up: gambling in a public place is an offence. And those involved are supposed to be arrested. If PO want to give chance, close one eye, warn, and stop the gambling will do.
But if the PO goes the "by right" way of doing things and effects an arrest, can you blame him?
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Originally posted by Tiggerific:
Problems occur when people join for the wrong reasons. Some people join the SPF for the wrong reasons. As such, it will be reflected in the quality of their work. But having said that, the SPF has also lost quite a number of people due to the nature of the job.
Most simply... can't be bothered to take all this c**p anymore. So they resign. Those that can still take it, stay.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many of these people around.
If you asked me, I'd say that nobody here can help a victim of a bad encounter with the police. The only thing you can do is to complain to the Service Improvement Unit. Depending on the circumstances, if the PO is at fault, action will be taken against him.
Point to note: as in all professions, there are bound to be some bad apples in the cart. Just don't be silly enough to taint them all with the same brush.
I've something to say though, with regards to the gambling issue brought up: gambling in a public place is an offence. And those involved are supposed to be arrested. If PO want to give chance, close one eye, warn, and stop the gambling will do.
But if the PO goes the "by right" way of doing things and effects an arrest, can you blame him?
yes. I know it's an offence and yes, i know it warrants an arrest. But look and compare the magnitude and seriousness of the crime to let's say, murder or robbery + assault. On a scale of one to ten - gambling probably would be ranked 1 or 2 (it causes no harm to others), and murder with a 9,10, robbery + assault maybe an 8 or 9.
And as I said, that mofo PO could simply give a warning, but he arrested a whole bunch of elderly, sent 'em to the police station, made them stay in that f*ckin' cold and empty lockup for 6, 7 f*ckin' hours (evening/night), giving them only some cheapo expired bread and packet drink, so what the f*ck do you think this is?
Of course, I won't be so mean or malicious as to curse his own mom/grandma to be dead or whatsoever. Plus, it is not making a sweeping statement, or having a brush to paint them all.
There were other few occasions when my grandma got robbed in the lift lobby, and my aunt got robbed at knife-point, and till now after 10 over years, they're still unable to catch the robbers. Of course, this case has been over for so long, obviously do you think the police would give a flying f*ck?
And yeah, probably these cases are too minor to be put up in the media, only then would the police seriously look into it i guess.
You would think I have anti-police sentiments, but I've lost faith in them. Fancy commiting a grave error in letting a f*ckin' Muslim SOB terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari escape and now he's on the run, nowhere to be found.
Zou si mi lj? Don't gimme the crap that the police are so f*ckin' great! Most of them would be sitting in the coffeeshop sipping their economical coffee, slacking their time away. Then when they're not on patrol (or rather show off their pathetic rank), they would be back at the station doing wretched menial paperwork like a no-lifer with a pitiable salary. WOW!
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Originally posted by trendz:
yes. I know it's an offence and yes, i know it warrants an arrest. But look and compare the magnitude and seriousness of the crime to let's say, murder or robbery + assault. On a scale of one to ten - gambling probably would be ranked 1 or 2 (it causes no harm to others), and murder with a 9,10, robbery + assault maybe an 8 or 9.
And as I said, that mofo PO could simply give a warning, but he arrested a whole bunch of elderly, sent 'em to the police station, made them stay in that f*ckin' cold and empty lockup for 6, 7 f*ckin' hours (evening/night), giving them only some cheapo expired bread and packet drink, so what the f*ck do you think this is?
Of course, I won't be so mean or malicious as to curse his own mom/grandma to be dead or whatsoever. Plus, it is not making a sweeping statement, or having a brush to paint them all.
There were other few occasions when my grandma got robbed in the lift lobby, and my aunt got robbed at knife-point, and till now after 10 over years, they're still unable to catch the robbers. Of course, this case has been over for so long, obviously do you think the police would give a flying f*ck?
And yeah, probably these cases are too minor to be put up in the media, only then would the police seriously look into it i guess.
You would think I have anti-police sentiments, but I've lost faith in them. Fancy commiting a grave error in letting a f*ckin' Muslim SOB terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari escape and now he's on the run, nowhere to be found.
Zou si mi lj? Don't gimme the crap that the police are so f*ckin' great! Most of them would be sitting in the coffeeshop sipping their economical coffee, slacking their time away. Then when they're not on patrol (or rather show off their pathetic rank), they would be back at the station doing wretched menial paperwork like a no-lifer with a pitiable salary. WOW!
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I used to be like you... complain complain and complain about police... say police no good this and that...
Then I become SC and kena put in their boots... I never ever sit on coffee shop b4 ever... Infact, PO rarely seen sitting on coffee shop... I'll tell you why people say police slack on coffee shop...
1 NPC got more than 30 pairs of officers on patrol... 1 pair take a break for 10 mins each time and they rotate among each other who takes a break... but MOP see PO take a break whole day coz they see PO at coffee shop whole day when infact those are different officers taking a break at coffee shop for only less than 10 mins...
Another thing... if ther are no murders commited during at the time, so PO let other crimes be committed while waiting for murder to happen...? No right...
Also for gambling... most PO many times just chase away casual gamblers... but if kena reported more than 10 times still want to chase away izzit??? And maybe the arrest was connected to more serious network that we don't know...
For robbery, PO are not gods who can magically appear when someone shouted help... They try their best depending on traffic condition and location... Most 999 calls are not very detailed... People report robbery at vicinity of Jalan Besar... you try to find someone kena robbed like that... Furthermore, people call 999 like 5mins later... 2 mins people can run how far already... Please, when making 999 calls, be precise, accurate and early... Plus you can also blame those prank calls to 999 which take up the line, 150,000 pranks calls last year... imagine the amount of resources wasted...
That's why PO are encouraged to do foot patrol to step up police presence... but do foot patrol people complain PO nothing to do walk around only or Singapore becoming Police State... zzz WTH does MOP want??? Do patrol complain, don't do patrol also complain...
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wow.... i didnt know so many NATO here... lol...
yak yak yak yak.... is this all you people know what to do?shall not start a war here.... those who are not happy, please complain to the relevant authority... well... you can post it here to show the whole world how right you are, but by doing nothing is still zero......
In my own humble opinion, the home team agencies are doing their job fine..... of cos they can be better... there are always room for improvement for everyone, if everyone is right then who is wrong?
recently, there are so many incidents happen to home teams agencies that have actually shaken the confident of public on them... kudos to them as they choose to admit that its their fault, DPM Wong apologise on national TV... So now they have to work double hard to win back the confidence of the public..... thou its never easy....
Dont whine behind the monitor and start crying foul, let your actions do all the talking.... we need more vocal Singaporeans and those who can voice out bravely rather then only trying to type and type and type.... and of the day, is the revelant authorities going to see all your complains here? well.... its good to see you guys telling and sharing your encounters and experiances here, i believe this is the reason why this forum is here.... for those whom think they are being treated unfairly or unjust, please voice out to the proper channel that was given by helpful forumites....
hope you all enjoy your day~ cheers.... my 2 cheap cents worth of thoughts...
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Originally posted by trendz:yes. I know it's an offence and yes, i know it warrants an arrest. But look and compare the magnitude and seriousness of the crime to let's say, murder or robbery + assault. On a scale of one to ten - gambling probably would be ranked 1 or 2 (it causes no harm to others), and murder with a 9,10, robbery + assault maybe an 8 or 9.
And as I said, that mofo PO could simply give a warning, but he arrested a whole bunch of elderly, sent 'em to the police station, made them stay in that f*ckin' cold and empty lockup for 6, 7 f*ckin' hours (evening/night), giving them only some cheapo expired bread and packet drink, so what the f*ck do you think this is?
Of course, I won't be so mean or malicious as to curse his own mom/grandma to be dead or whatsoever. Plus, it is not making a sweeping statement, or having a brush to paint them all.
There were other few occasions when my grandma got robbed in the lift lobby, and my aunt got robbed at knife-point, and till now after 10 over years, they're still unable to catch the robbers. Of course, this case has been over for so long, obviously do you think the police would give a flying f*ck?
And yeah, probably these cases are too minor to be put up in the media, only then would the police seriously look into it i guess.
You would think I have anti-police sentiments, but I've lost faith in them. Fancy commiting a grave error in letting a f*ckin' Muslim SOB terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari escape and now he's on the run, nowhere to be found.
Zou si mi lj? Don't gimme the crap that the police are so f*ckin' great! Most of them would be sitting in the coffeeshop sipping their economical coffee, slacking their time away. Then when they're not on patrol (or rather show off their pathetic rank), they would be back at the station doing wretched menial paperwork like a no-lifer with a pitiable salary. WOW!
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dear trendz,
i have to say that i feel for you. My own family members were arrested before and i understand how you feels.... you do have your point there.... but wait.... gambling is not serious? or did i get your words wrong, please pardon me if i did...
"greed is the root of the cause" - gambling can results in alot of things that a gambler cant imagine unless they realise that its wrong and choose to stop..... saw the ad on TV where this "father" told his daughter that "its going to be the last time?" he wants her to break her piggy bank and let him have a "comeback" so he will stop it once and for all... who suffers? end of the day, the family members will suffer...
of cos i have to admit, old folks gamble to past time... but does they need to involve with money? its a bad example to youths and will lead them thinking that gambling is nothing wrong... I also noticed that there is a raising trend of singaporean playing mahjong.... issit becos we are being expose to more gambling environment ( i.e. movies, games, old folks playing at void deck ) or we simply doesnt know that gambling is bad for one?
we are citizens of singapore and we have to obey our own country law... if no one enforce it, then there will be no law and order.... "look around us" as what stated by one of the forumites, we are indeed better then other country around us... but of cos, there is still room for improvement.... remember, "low crime doesnt mean no crime"... hey i like this banner of all i have seen by the SPF....
Perhaps police can do their part better in your "grandma being robbed" case.... I have to agree... only recently I saw those signs stating of the crime happen at the location and appeal for witnesses... how i wish such ideas have came up long ago... at least its kinda "enable public awareness" and also for those who always "claimed" that they wanted to help but does not know the right number to call to.... I do hope there will be witnesses to stand up for your grandma case or maybe police can find important leads to the case so your grandma or you can get the reply after 10 years~ =)
i remember my kampong days, where everyone is so close and friendly... we would dare to leave our door open and not worrying of anything being stolen.... what happen now? our neighbours unit are either not in (busy working and substaining s'pore standard of living) or choose to enjoy in their own cosy home (where all windows and doors are closed)..... unless the same "generation" happens to be staying at the same level (kids studying pri, sec etc or all young parents or all old folks etc etc) or else its like everyone is living in their own world.... where is all the friendliness we use to have, i really miss it.... even WiFi also have to steal.... where have all our "willingly to share" and "looking for each other's back" attitude gone to?
well.... i understand you have lost faith in them just like some of our citizens.... but wait... MSK? did my english fail me or i get the wrong facts? MSK is an error committed by ISD and to my own knowledge, police is assisting in investigation as stated in news.... did MSK escape from a police establishment? can anyone correct me on this? well.... i have seen alot nowadays.... MHA staffs are being deployed everywhere.... i see SCDF officers at customs!!!! oh my god... i believe when MSK escape, police did quite a good and fast job to narrow down and search for him... thou there is still no news of him.... you should have come to my work place man.... for the first few days, i got so fed up sending my niece to school and to be stuck in a slow moving traffic due to the intensive search.... well.... maybe there might be dark clouds casting over MHA now.... i do hope they can think and work fast to win back public confident.... i admit my confident did rocked abit... but after some observation, i believe i still have faith in them to provide security to our country....
lastly, i do hope they can sit down at coffeeshop for coffee you know... so i can ask them questions rather then always trying hard to catch them while they are in their police vehicle patrolling.... i do think their pay is pathetic as i ask my friend in there and got a surprise of what kind of pay they are getting compare to me..... perhaps something should be done.... as what have claimed by another forumite that the turnover rate there is high.... someone have to do their paper work!!!! and let them patrol our streets more efficiently.....
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Singapore's Home Team
http://www.mha.gov.sg/overview.aspx?pageid=187&secid=28
Mas Selamat escaped from Whitley Road, from Internal Security Department's custody. take note they are a fellow organization under the ministry of home affairs.
Take not that ICA is also not under police. saying either of these department is the police is as wrong as saying civil defence (also listed above) is the police.
Also note the new Casino Regulatory Authority. Singapore government takes gambling seriously.
Robbery is a serious offence. those people get caned, and locked up for up to 20 years. so it has a serious punishment, as it fits the crime. so what is the punishment for public gambling? 6 or 7 hours in lock up for minor offence fair enough? And what kind of lock up you want? it is possible to implement nice lock ups, but than people will make noise why use so much taxpayer money.
Should doing drugs be ranked 1 or 2, because it causes no harm to others? they are addictive like gambling, and both can involve large amount of money, and both have negative impact on society. Guess what the penalty is for carrying heroin?
Do you take breaks during your rest time at work? do you need to eat? guess what, the police has 12 hour shifts, and they need to rest and eat too. big surprise there, huh? But since people complain, the police cannot even rest and eat at hawker centres any more. all must take away, and when it's their turn to rest, have to hide one corner, or else some STOMP guy will take picture and say police always slacking. nice going there people. So what's the next step, cancel break and meals for on duty PO? guess why people quit the police.force.
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Well said, anfuni.
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Originally posted by vIn.Warrior:
Well said, anfuni.
This is certainly the level of maturity that we as Singaporeans ought to have.I second that. Anfuni's reply is rather... enlightening to those who do not know their facts. Hopefully they know better now.
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Originally posted by trendz:
yes. I know it's an offence and yes, i know it warrants an arrest. But look and compare the magnitude and seriousness of the crime to let's say, murder or robbery + assault. On a scale of one to ten - gambling probably would be ranked 1 or 2 (it causes no harm to others), and murder with a 9,10, robbery + assault maybe an 8 or 9.
And as I said, that mofo PO could simply give a warning, but he arrested a whole bunch of elderly, sent 'em to the police station, made them stay in that f*ckin' cold and empty lockup for 6, 7 f*ckin' hours (evening/night), giving them only some cheapo expired bread and packet drink, so what the f*ck do you think this is?
Of course, I won't be so mean or malicious as to curse his own mom/grandma to be dead or whatsoever. Plus, it is not making a sweeping statement, or having a brush to paint them all.
There were other few occasions when my grandma got robbed in the lift lobby, and my aunt got robbed at knife-point, and till now after 10 over years, they're still unable to catch the robbers. Of course, this case has been over for so long, obviously do you think the police would give a flying f*ck?
And yeah, probably these cases are too minor to be put up in the media, only then would the police seriously look into it i guess.
You would think I have anti-police sentiments, but I've lost faith in them. Fancy commiting a grave error in letting a f*ckin' Muslim SOB terrorist Mas Selamat Kastari escape and now he's on the run, nowhere to be found.
Zou si mi lj? Don't gimme the crap that the police are so f*ckin' great! Most of them would be sitting in the coffeeshop sipping their economical coffee, slacking their time away. Then when they're not on patrol (or rather show off their pathetic rank), they would be back at the station doing wretched menial paperwork like a no-lifer with a pitiable salary. WOW!
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It's interesting how you contradict yourself within your own post.
And to quote you, "WOW!" (:
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Originally posted by trendz:
erm ya. it's actually teochew.
kah kee lang - hokkien
kah kee nang - teochew
can try asking your grandparents. (:
Err......I am japanese, teochew peranakan, hokkien. Both side 3 sets of grandparents are dead. And my own parents are hopeless with dialects.Since you already mentioned I am wrong, then I stand corrected??? (Errrr.....is this the right use of inkalish?)
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Originally posted by Hwaimeng:
Why would i need to settle for those underworld friends when there propely channels for me to go to. asking those guys to help isnt wat i wan but its the only fast choice i can go for.and they arnt cheap. consider i was just a teen at that time around late 10+its be because those propely channel simply dont wan to help or do anything
that police did tell me how they can go about it but will became civil suit in the end
he did tell me this will involve huge cost. and how troubleson it would became.
so u mean i should just live with it ??? been disturbed everyday by that ahbeng ???
and u seem very proud been a policeman yrself ?? in hokkian i call it u are haolian. yes u feel proud been a policeman ok that great. but most propely i "assume" u are just another simple timewasting police that sit in office all day or maybe drive out petroling a bit when its r scheldue. trying to show off yr rank or watever. ok maybe im wrong.maybe u are a reposible police trying to protect yr force.
im just a normal person trying live peacefully but when there trouble for me and i seek help from the force but was push with this and that can things couldnt be settle. so wat would u do ???? of cosue it to seek another way out .
i myself is from the Home Team also just for information.
Your assuming is kinda a bit on the overblown side.
Home Team? So what if you are actually a Home Team? Thats about as convincing about your reason to serve as a guy who cant find a job anywhere but in the civil service.
It also showed your lack of work ethics regards to the work you are currently suppose to be doing.
You have also continued to show your childishness about your teenage troubles despite the fact that you are a 'Home Team' member.
And you still display that teenager angst now as a 'Home Team' member?
Grow up lah, civil suits? Anyone can do it for free, its those naive ones that believes that it takes a lot of money. You obviously are ignorant enough to keep harping on those issues which you didnt know what to do when you were younger.
And underworld people, please lor, I ride, drink kopi, watch movies with about 4 of them nice old folks for 4 years already. What is underworld when you dont have money or things you can exchange from them?
And if my uncle have not passed away, a phone call to him and he will be dispatching any 2 members of his group to break any fellas legs I wanted. It only will cost me $200/-.
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i think the going rate now is $250- $300 now le....
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About gambling...I can only do this: Pui! Pui! Pui!
Whats wrong with old folks being put in a lock up for gambling? They at so old already they never knew gambling is wrong?
I put both my hands & legs up in favour that its should be done! Preferably for more days. Better then them gambling away moneys then ruining their children's future.
Look at the ads of gambling additions. Hear the stories of gamblers mothers or grandparents, parents and uncles that gambled, lost, borrowed money and how their children suffered.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
i think the going rate now is $250- $300 now le....
I really typed too much didnt I? I really shouldnt mentioned the rates.
