How is life being a JO...?
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if u are in spf, u should know the turn over rate is quite high for JO.Originally posted by corebooster:those who entered and cant adapt to the organisation will leave. those who joined and can adapt to the organisation will stay. thats how things work. depend on urself and wad u expect out of SPF.
I dun think there are many of my same batches in spf now liao. -
Spoken like a true blue Singaporean. Not everything is about money, my friend.Originally posted by laoda99:It sux.
Get a degree and be SO. Three yrs of university education makes so much a difference.
It DOES NOT suck to be on the ground, on the front line, helping the people, taking criticism from the public, taking inconsiderate comments like yours, putting your life in danger all the time ... Singapore is probably one of the safest countries in the world because of our cops ... unappreciated and made to feel low ... but still protecting and serving. Everybody likes to complaint about cops ... but what's the number they dial when they see signs of trouble?
If you're a cop ... you bring shame to those you stand beside everyday; they are very noble men and women who do not feel as you do, please show pride in your profession.
The Final Inspection
The policeman stood and faced his God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining.
Just as brightly as his brass.
"Step forward now, policeman.
How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My church have you been true?"
The policeman squared his shoulders and said,
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't,
Because those of us who carry badges
can't always be a saint.
I've had to work most Sundays,
and at times my talk was rough,
and sometimes I've been violent,
Because the streets are awfully tough.
But I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep....
Though I worked a lot of overtime
When the bills got just too steep.
And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear.
And sometimes, God forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around
Except to calm their fear.
If you've a place for me here,
Lord, It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't.....I'll understand.
There was silence all around the throne
Where the saints had often trod.
As the policeman waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.
"Step forward now, policeman,
You've borne your burdens well.
Come walk a beat on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in hell." -
I have been where you fear to go...
I have seen what you fear to see...
I have done what you fear to do...
All these things IÂ’ve done for you.
I am the one you lean upon...
The one you cast your scorn upon...
The one you bring your troubles to...
All these people IÂ’ve been for you.
The one you ask to stand apart...
The one you feel should have no heart...
The one you call the man in blue...
But I am human just like you.
And through the years IÂ’ve come to see...
That IÂ’m not what you ask of me...
So take this badge and take this gun...
Will you take it? Will anyone?
And when you watch a person die...
And hear a battered baby cry...
Then so you think that you can be
All those things you ask of me...?
-Author Unknown -
why they leave? coz they cannot tahan certain things in de organisation. to me, its dissapointing to see regulars leaving esp afteer working wif them for so long. but its because what they expect out of the organisation is different from their expectations. You work everyday and the surprises u get is not little.Originally posted by laoda99:if u are in spf, u should know the turn over rate is quite high for JO.
I dun think there are many of my same batches in spf now liao. -
Your friend is your friend....Originally posted by MohamedF:Going to camp this 12 June, I'm seriously considering going career... sounds like a stable job, good benefits, good pay, good retirement plan... but my friend say its a boring desk job that is not worth $2100/mth...
So, main question is, how's the job...? Testimonials from JOs...
Your friend is not you.
What suits him may not suit uou....
Anyway, you work to live, not live to work.....
Having the capacity to get the job done is much more important than the job beiing fun but you have insufficient capacity to get the work done.
Even if a fun hobby becomes work, there's no more fun in it. You'll just want to get it done and over with. Fun becomes irrelevant de!
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U can earn much more than the quoted amount if you're prepared to do "kopi money" deals
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or sell buttocksOriginally posted by ceecookie:U can earn much more than the quoted amount if you're prepared to do "kopi money" deals -
Did I say it suck to be on the ground?
Dun anyhow draw conclusions. I am quite interested to know whether u are in the force.
The reality of a JO is: u will be "stuck sergeant" for a long time unless u know how to network. And even if you get a degree while working, there is no guarantee they will give u senior officer.
My advice is for those who want to join to obtain the highest qualifications before they join. Just three years of university makes a hell of a difference in terms of prospects/welfare.
Some of those who have insisted to join as JO now regretted and they spoke to me.Originally posted by Bamboozler:Spoken like a true blue Singaporean. Not everything is about money, my friend.
It DOES NOT suck to be on the ground, on the front line, helping the people, taking criticism from the public, taking inconsiderate comments like yours, putting your life in danger all the time ... Singapore is probably one of the safest countries in the world because of our cops ... unappreciated and made to feel low ... but still protecting and serving. Everybody likes to complaint about cops ... but what's the number they dial when they see signs of trouble?
If you're a cop ... you bring shame to those you stand beside everyday; they are very noble men and women who do not feel as you do, please show pride in your profession.
The Final Inspection
The policeman stood and faced his God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining.
Just as brightly as his brass.
"Step forward now, policeman.
How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My church have you been true?"
The policeman squared his shoulders and said,
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't,
Because those of us who carry badges
can't always be a saint.
I've had to work most Sundays,
and at times my talk was rough,
and sometimes I've been violent,
Because the streets are awfully tough.
But I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep....
Though I worked a lot of overtime
When the bills got just too steep.
And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear.
And sometimes, God forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around
Except to calm their fear.
If you've a place for me here,
Lord, It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't.....I'll understand.
There was silence all around the throne
Where the saints had often trod.
As the policeman waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.
"Step forward now, policeman,
You've borne your burdens well.
Come walk a beat on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in hell." -
Yes the turn over rate is quite high. Even those 4 digit series who worked with me who remained mostly are those who have family and kids. The 90s series regulars also left not much. Expectations and what u get in the force is very different, once u join. When u want to resign, they will not retain u as they can pay someone less to do the job, even though you have more experience.Originally posted by corebooster:why they leave? coz they cannot tahan certain things in de organisation. to me, its dissapointing to see regulars leaving esp afteer working wif them for so long. but its because what they expect out of the organisation is different from their expectations. You work everyday and the surprises u get is not little.
The reality in the force is: somebody who never pass IPPT, just delegate jobs and claim the credit, can get 3 promotions in 5 years, while some slog very hard and remain the same rank for very long time. The important thing is: network. Some buy cake for commander during bday and they succeed. Some go fishing and bring back fishes for MPO and they succeeded also.
Day in, day out, the only thing u pray is to have as little hipcups as possible during your tour of duty. Draw arm b4 u work and return arm after ur work and return safe and sound. -
This is so true! What most importantly is safety just hope to reach home safe and sound after a hard days work! =DOriginally posted by laoda99:Yes the turn over rate is quite high. Even those 4 digit series who worked with me who remained mostly are those who have family and kids. The 90s series regulars also left not much. Expectations and what u get in the force is very different, once u join. When u want to resign, they will not retain u as they can pay someone less to do the job, even though you have more experience.
The reality in the force is: somebody who never pass IPPT, just delegate jobs and claim the credit, can get 3 promotions in 5 years, while some slog very hard and remain the same rank for very long time. The important thing is: network. Some buy cake for commander during bday and they succeed. Some go fishing and bring back fishes for MPO and they succeeded also.
Day in, day out, the only thing u pray is to have as little hipcups as possible during your tour of duty. Draw arm b4 u work and return arm after ur work and return safe and sound. -
yea. networking is very impt. so as to having the right person above n below u. suay suay ur OC buey song u, can forget about promotion n ur bonus liaoz.
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it all boils down to how much you are willing to compromise on your ideals, i guess. we all have certain hopes and expectations, and give-and-take ensues once the reality of the situation [us joining the force] sets in [although i know most people give more to the force than take. and even get unappreciated for all their work like you mentioned
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i think, to be honest, most of the 4-digiters don't leave simply because they cannot afford to. most have families to feed now, and once they leave, they find it hard to nail jobs outside because they have zero industrial experience.
all in all, the average age of the force is going down. JOs getting younger and younger.
but i suppose we all do what we can lah. i'm still of the opinion tha JOs run the force though. All SOs [at least, those direct entry ones] do is basically do IO for a couple of years and then scoot off into management positions, whether it is middle-management or senior management. their ground experience is limited to their two-year IO stint and another stint as team leader.
the ones who do the actual ground work, interacting with people, making ground-breaking, life-changing decisions, will always be ultimately us JOs.
it might not be measurable in monetary terms, but I suppose the pride in knowing that is a valuable item in itself.
at least, I feel that way. I hope most JOs share the same sentiment too, despite the trying times that we all face in the line of duty.
Cheers to all.
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Salute to JOs. for they are the ones putting their pride, life, job on the line everytime they don the blue uniform and walk into the streets of singapore. They(We for some of us) are the reason why we are able to sleep peacefully at night
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Those who have regretted are those who go in for the wrong reasons and have no pride in their profession. It's the same in any job ... you go in for the wrong reasons you will get stuck. That's actually the sign of a good organisation - it can see who the dedicated ones are and who are in it to carry balls ... or as you say 'network'.Originally posted by laoda99:Did I say it suck to be on the ground?
Dun anyhow draw conclusions. I am quite interested to know whether u are in the force. [/quote]
Friend ... I never draw wrong conclusions. Do check your post dated 08 June 2007 · 02:20 PM
You said 'It sux' to the question that the OP posted. Being a JO means being on the ground at the front line of policing.
[quote]Originally posted by laoda99:
The reality of a JO is: u will be "stuck sergeant" for a long time unless u know how to network. And even if you get a degree while working, there is no guarantee they will give u senior officer.
My advice is for those who want to join to obtain the highest qualifications before they join. Just three years of university makes a hell of a difference in terms of prospects/welfare.
Some of those who have insisted to join as JO now regretted and they spoke to me. -
its takes two hands to clap.
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Go in for the wrong reasons? How can u judge those so many JOs who left the force early and say they go in for the wrong reasons?Originally posted by Bamboozler:Those who have regretted are those who go in for the wrong reasons and have no pride in their profession. It's the same in any job ... you go in for the wrong reasons you will get stuck. That's actually the sign of a good organisation - it can see who the dedicated ones are and who are in it to carry balls ... or as you say 'network'.
Again I do not think u are from SPF. Highly idealistic but u may be one of those who left SPF after 5 years also. -
You don't have to be in the SPF to understand the universal truths that will apply to all professions.Originally posted by laoda99:Go in for the wrong reasons? How can u judge those so many JOs who left the force early and say they go in for the wrong reasons?
Again I do not think u are from SPF. Highly idealistic but u may be one of those who left SPF after 5 years also.
You will probably feel this way no matter what job you take on, everything will suck for you after a while. Enjoy.
What were you? Some NS chap who ORDed? -
I was in the force as a regular. What were u smart alec?Originally posted by Bamboozler:You don't have to be in the SPF to understand the universal truths that will apply to all professions.
You will probably feel this way no matter what job you take on, everything will suck for you after a while. Enjoy.
What were you? Some NS chap who ORDed?
Then u cannot make any comments regarding life as a JO becoz u were never in the force. -
I'm just glad you left.Originally posted by laoda99:I was in the force as a regular. What were u smart alec?
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If u are never in the force, dun make any useless comments. Police job is not what u have imagined.Originally posted by Bamboozler:I'm just glad you left.
Once u are in the force, u will have to stay there for at least five years. People are asking for advice, and police work is not like what u perceived in the hollywood movies u watch. U can dream of cops flashing guns and hum tuming crooks, but it is not like dat.
Indeed, I am glad I left, becoz I would never have attained higher educational level if I am in the force. Just three/four years of educational level difference and u are treated so differently. This can never be understood by an naive outsider like u. -
Since u are already so lucky to get into PNS, do your NS for a while before u decide to turn regular.Originally posted by MohamedF:Going to camp this 12 June, I'm seriously considering going career... sounds like a stable job, good benefits, good pay, good retirement plan... but my friend say its a boring desk job that is not worth $2100/mth...
So, main question is, how's the job...? Testimonials from JOs...
Mebbe a few months inside u would change ur mind. But who knows. JO job may be suitable for u.
A degree count a lot in the SPF. If u have the chance, go into SPF with your highest qualifications. -
I felt better reading thisOriginally posted by Bamboozler:Spoken like a true blue Singaporean. Not everything is about money, my friend.
It DOES NOT suck to be on the ground, on the front line, helping the people, taking criticism from the public, taking inconsiderate comments like yours, putting your life in danger all the time ... Singapore is probably one of the safest countries in the world because of our cops ... unappreciated and made to feel low ... but still protecting and serving. Everybody likes to complaint about cops ... but what's the number they dial when they see signs of trouble?
If you're a cop ... you bring shame to those you stand beside everyday; they are very noble men and women who do not feel as you do, please show pride in your profession.
The Final Inspection
The policeman stood and faced his God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining.
Just as brightly as his brass.
"Step forward now, policeman.
How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My church have you been true?"
The policeman squared his shoulders and said,
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't,
Because those of us who carry badges
can't always be a saint.
I've had to work most Sundays,
and at times my talk was rough,
and sometimes I've been violent,
Because the streets are awfully tough.
But I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep....
Though I worked a lot of overtime
When the bills got just too steep.
And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear.
And sometimes, God forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around
Except to calm their fear.
If you've a place for me here,
Lord, It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't.....I'll understand.
There was silence all around the throne
Where the saints had often trod.
As the policeman waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.
"Step forward now, policeman,
You've borne your burdens well.
Come walk a beat on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in hell." -
=========================================================Originally posted by laoda99:I was in the force as a regular. What were u smart alec?
Then u cannot make any comments regarding life as a JO becoz u were never in the force.
=========================================================Originally posted by Bamboozler:I'm just glad you left.
common.... so free to argue here? i created this forum not for this and hope ou understand.... thou those words said might no be what they meant to be... but... whats the point of quarrelling?
so what if you are still in the force? or so what if you are not in the force?
those who left might regret as well as those who choose to stay....
those who left might not be happy as well as those who choose to stay too...
life is full of choices... its all about what you choose at the end of the day, the rest are just history and experiance that you learn in life...
chill... help out then to stir trouble here can? i say thank you in advance ok?
QAZPLM
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To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine -
hmm just wait till u pass out from TRACOM experience some div life b4 u decide u wanna commit 5 years of ur live to SPF... if i m not wrong they will give u discount based on the number of months u r in NS... so the longer u r in NS it might seem better...
SGT lowest u can get is 2.0k or 1.9k gross... kinda forgot cause i NS convert... about 1.5 to 1.6 take home... increments every 1 yr until the 5th year...
overall... well i have seen alot who wanna leave after signing on... ditto for myself... underappreciated by those in the management level i feel... but if u wan this to be an eye opener u can consider joining it... steels up ur nerves in times of adversity... -
Thank you for going out on the streets everyday. You guys are definitely appreciated!Originally posted by davidnea3:I felt better reading this
Chin up, yours is truly a noble profession.
Salute!